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A marvelous happening today reminded me of what we all should be aware of and concrerned with. Got your attention? Read on!
Model aviation and AMA began as a child does, small, weak and needing attention to have growth We now enjoy what has grown?
Question>what brought about the growth? History says it was created by ambitious modelers, AMA members, who had a desire, saw a need etc. and set about creating somethinbg to fulfull it Several times over the life of modeling the result has been a major step fowward.
Obvious examples are the gas engine, control line and radio control.
AMA governns what we members can do? Know that as just shown the growth has came because the AMA in no way restricted our actions!
Another question could be> are we satisfied with the present modeling level and wish to stagnate there? Or do we hope to continue as in the past and go on to even finer model aviation?
It seems obvious that restrictive rulings will surely restrict growth?
Bottom line to all this is that for THE FIRST TIME AMA has created a rule which restricts progress. Know that the desire of this rule could easily be accomplished WITHOUT SERIOUS restictions.
Now know that a concerned group of AMA members has created a modification to this ruling which meets all desires and eliminares restriction. Problem is that needed AMA officials have not recognised the
need and the modification. These people include the president.
If you have the desire we can provide you personlly with the information
that is envolved. JUST ASK AT THIS ADDRESS [email protected]
Now for a look at what is restricted from our future as of now.
Know first that our R/C systems fundimentally have been developed to
what may be optimum. If so then the only progress avenue could be ways to use
the radio control? Your author was privilaged today to watch with fasination what could become another major step forward for model aviation
The happening was at our club field and provided by two ordinary (almost??) members. What they demonstrated was, among other things,
a further development of the wonderful Co-Pilot. Their version can be
programed so that the craft flys itself on a predetermined course. In
connection with this there is telemetery which depicts on a screen the
craft's attitude and altitude.
For today's flight the program consisted of 6 way points in the form of
a hexogan. The craft was to fly straight from one point to another in a circular fashion.
Of furtther wonder was that the control systrem was not a common 72 mhz style. instead it was a spread spectrum system on 2.4 ghz that operated completely flawless as it has now for many flights.,
The happening> several onlookers were in the shelter watching a blank
TV like screen. The Sig Kadet style model took off and reaxhed 300 meters altitude. At tha point the Co-Pilot was activated and the redundant
control turned off. We all were very fasinated to warch the craft perform
it's hex shaped circle over the field continuiusly while the pilot sat in a chair and warched! It was explained that the craft could be programed to
fly an intricate pattern but the hex was simple and OK for test efforts.
Also of fascination was to watch the screen as see the craft's acions
depicted much like an airliner's artificial horizon.
People, fellow AMA members, what we are privilaged to watch is progress in its infancy showing that model aviation has further potential
Then realize that the current safety rule regulation as written says that
this flying was "illegal" and such activity should come to a halt.
What is hard to understand is that this regulation which apparently was
created during a distressed condition and can be modified to meet the same desires is not worthy of consideration by our officials.
Surely, as members. we do not want AMA progress and growth halted?
Good stuff? Interesting? You are capable, speak to your vice presidents
and all else who will listen and become an active member in our fine sport!
Hal deBolt
A marvelous happening today reminded me of what we all should be aware of and concrerned with. Got your attention? Read on!
Model aviation and AMA began as a child does, small, weak and needing attention to have growth We now enjoy what has grown?
Question>what brought about the growth? History says it was created by ambitious modelers, AMA members, who had a desire, saw a need etc. and set about creating somethinbg to fulfull it Several times over the life of modeling the result has been a major step fowward.
Obvious examples are the gas engine, control line and radio control.
AMA governns what we members can do? Know that as just shown the growth has came because the AMA in no way restricted our actions!
Another question could be> are we satisfied with the present modeling level and wish to stagnate there? Or do we hope to continue as in the past and go on to even finer model aviation?
It seems obvious that restrictive rulings will surely restrict growth?
Bottom line to all this is that for THE FIRST TIME AMA has created a rule which restricts progress. Know that the desire of this rule could easily be accomplished WITHOUT SERIOUS restictions.
Now know that a concerned group of AMA members has created a modification to this ruling which meets all desires and eliminares restriction. Problem is that needed AMA officials have not recognised the
need and the modification. These people include the president.
If you have the desire we can provide you personlly with the information
that is envolved. JUST ASK AT THIS ADDRESS [email protected]
Now for a look at what is restricted from our future as of now.
Know first that our R/C systems fundimentally have been developed to
what may be optimum. If so then the only progress avenue could be ways to use
the radio control? Your author was privilaged today to watch with fasination what could become another major step forward for model aviation
The happening was at our club field and provided by two ordinary (almost??) members. What they demonstrated was, among other things,
a further development of the wonderful Co-Pilot. Their version can be
programed so that the craft flys itself on a predetermined course. In
connection with this there is telemetery which depicts on a screen the
craft's attitude and altitude.
For today's flight the program consisted of 6 way points in the form of
a hexogan. The craft was to fly straight from one point to another in a circular fashion.
Of furtther wonder was that the control systrem was not a common 72 mhz style. instead it was a spread spectrum system on 2.4 ghz that operated completely flawless as it has now for many flights.,
The happening> several onlookers were in the shelter watching a blank
TV like screen. The Sig Kadet style model took off and reaxhed 300 meters altitude. At tha point the Co-Pilot was activated and the redundant
control turned off. We all were very fasinated to warch the craft perform
it's hex shaped circle over the field continuiusly while the pilot sat in a chair and warched! It was explained that the craft could be programed to
fly an intricate pattern but the hex was simple and OK for test efforts.
Also of fascination was to watch the screen as see the craft's acions
depicted much like an airliner's artificial horizon.
People, fellow AMA members, what we are privilaged to watch is progress in its infancy showing that model aviation has further potential
Then realize that the current safety rule regulation as written says that
this flying was "illegal" and such activity should come to a halt.
What is hard to understand is that this regulation which apparently was
created during a distressed condition and can be modified to meet the same desires is not worthy of consideration by our officials.
Surely, as members. we do not want AMA progress and growth halted?
Good stuff? Interesting? You are capable, speak to your vice presidents
and all else who will listen and become an active member in our fine sport!
Hal deBolt
07-15-2004 | 06:28 PM
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Hi Mr. deBolt
I hope you know that many of us do support your efforts. I hope everyone will take a minute to send their VP, or all VP's, for that matter, an e-mail asking for their support. Better yet guys, pick up the phone and call them.
JR
I hope you know that many of us do support your efforts. I hope everyone will take a minute to send their VP, or all VP's, for that matter, an e-mail asking for their support. Better yet guys, pick up the phone and call them.
JR
07-15-2004 | 11:27 PM
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and now, in the eyes of some, both in our own org and the federal government, that aircraft is an unarmed cruise missle.
a press release about this accomplishment is not recomended.
and now, in the eyes of some, both in our own org and the federal government, that aircraft is an unarmed cruise missle.
a press release about this accomplishment is not recomended.
07-16-2004 | 07:40 AM
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that aircraft is an unarmed cruise missle.
07-16-2004 | 09:35 AM
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Anyone that disagrees that autonomous flight has the potential to be misused is not looking at the facts.
Having said that, the technology is developing for the commercial use of such devices. Likely, they will be used for things already discussed here and elsewhere, such as photo mapping, environmental studies and many other, now unforeseen, uses
When it comes to models, it appears that the concern is to avoid the use of these devices in a manner that would require regulation by the government, and being viewed as a threat to the population. The trick appears to be a method that keeps them in the line of site, with unaided vision (as opposed to glasses which is viewed as a correction, rather than an aid) which is now included in our definition of a model. Requiring a radio system as an override, as Mr. deBolt has proposed may be the answer.
As has been mentioned here, by Red and Abel, previously, autonomous devices are the focus of many schools of higher learning. There are competitions those schools, and others, promote.
Again, as Mr. deBolt alludes to, this is a technology that is not going away. This is a technology that should be embraced by model aviation. The only real question is how to confine our interests in a manner that is not threatening to the public at large. The technology will advance in the private sector with or without us.
There will be issues the AMA must face. Apparently, from DB’s last column, development of “commercial†uses is going to have be a “permitted†or wavered activity. The AMA may have to work closer with the FAA, and it may have to be reflected in the insurance policy the AMA has to cover us. Flying cross country, or at altitude may require waivers from the FAA. These, in my opinion rise to the level of a nuisance, but are not reason to ban the technology.
Do modelers have the potential to do harm? You bet they do, and, I for one, am proud of them. The president of one SIG designs cruise missiles for a living. I know many modelers that work for government contractors that produce these autonomous devices for the defense of this country. At least in my opinion, this is a good thing.
Having said that, the technology is developing for the commercial use of such devices. Likely, they will be used for things already discussed here and elsewhere, such as photo mapping, environmental studies and many other, now unforeseen, uses
When it comes to models, it appears that the concern is to avoid the use of these devices in a manner that would require regulation by the government, and being viewed as a threat to the population. The trick appears to be a method that keeps them in the line of site, with unaided vision (as opposed to glasses which is viewed as a correction, rather than an aid) which is now included in our definition of a model. Requiring a radio system as an override, as Mr. deBolt has proposed may be the answer.
As has been mentioned here, by Red and Abel, previously, autonomous devices are the focus of many schools of higher learning. There are competitions those schools, and others, promote.
Again, as Mr. deBolt alludes to, this is a technology that is not going away. This is a technology that should be embraced by model aviation. The only real question is how to confine our interests in a manner that is not threatening to the public at large. The technology will advance in the private sector with or without us.
There will be issues the AMA must face. Apparently, from DB’s last column, development of “commercial†uses is going to have be a “permitted†or wavered activity. The AMA may have to work closer with the FAA, and it may have to be reflected in the insurance policy the AMA has to cover us. Flying cross country, or at altitude may require waivers from the FAA. These, in my opinion rise to the level of a nuisance, but are not reason to ban the technology.
Do modelers have the potential to do harm? You bet they do, and, I for one, am proud of them. The president of one SIG designs cruise missiles for a living. I know many modelers that work for government contractors that produce these autonomous devices for the defense of this country. At least in my opinion, this is a good thing.
07-17-2004 | 12:43 PM
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Hi ya'll,
Sure is good to see SOME AMA members with an interest in the organization!!
Understand what my description described was a relatively small Sig
Kadet style model, max weight 5 lbs? Flying in a circle among other piloted craft over a flying site.
How an event such as that can be construed to be a threat beyond the
norm is hard to comprehend.
Perhaps as you have said and seems logical. There are so many other
means that would be simplier and more effective. Why chose to find the]
means and develope a miniaure aircraft that would effect very little.
Another point taken> yes, lets broadcast what is being done so all will
know this is rudimentary and shows what modelers are capable of and
that even Burt Routan is an AMA member!
Members have done, can and are doing good things that have an effect
on population. Lets not try to hide behind the bushes or some stupid
unenforcable rule.
Surely the public will react positively to accomplishments and in turn
agencies react to them?
Bottom line> lets act like the fine positive organiation that AMA is, not
like some panty waist scared of its own shadow?
How's zat?
Hal
Sure is good to see SOME AMA members with an interest in the organization!!
Understand what my description described was a relatively small Sig
Kadet style model, max weight 5 lbs? Flying in a circle among other piloted craft over a flying site.
How an event such as that can be construed to be a threat beyond the
norm is hard to comprehend.
Perhaps as you have said and seems logical. There are so many other
means that would be simplier and more effective. Why chose to find the]
means and develope a miniaure aircraft that would effect very little.
Another point taken> yes, lets broadcast what is being done so all will
know this is rudimentary and shows what modelers are capable of and
that even Burt Routan is an AMA member!
Members have done, can and are doing good things that have an effect
on population. Lets not try to hide behind the bushes or some stupid
unenforcable rule.
Surely the public will react positively to accomplishments and in turn
agencies react to them?
Bottom line> lets act like the fine positive organiation that AMA is, not
like some panty waist scared of its own shadow?
How's zat?
Hal
07-17-2004 | 02:29 PM
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ORIGINAL: Hal deBolt
Hi ya'll,
Sure is good to see SOME AMA members with an interest in the organization!!
Understand what my description described was a relatively small Sig
Kadet style model, max weight 5 lbs? Flying in a circle among other piloted craft over a flying site.
How an event such as that can be construed to be a threat beyond the
norm is hard to comprehend.
Perhaps as you have said and seems logical. There are so many other
means that would be simplier and more effective. Why chose to find the]
means and develope a miniaure aircraft that would effect very little.
Another point taken> yes, lets broadcast what is being done so all will
know this is rudimentary and shows what modelers are capable of and
that even Burt Routan is an AMA member!
Members have done, can and are doing good things that have an effect
on population. Lets not try to hide behind the bushes or some stupid
unenforcable rule.
Surely the public will react positively to accomplishments and in turn
agencies react to them?
Bottom line> lets act like the fine positive organiation that AMA is, not
like some panty waist scared of its own shadow?
How's zat?
Hi ya'll,
Sure is good to see SOME AMA members with an interest in the organization!!
Understand what my description described was a relatively small Sig
Kadet style model, max weight 5 lbs? Flying in a circle among other piloted craft over a flying site.
How an event such as that can be construed to be a threat beyond the
norm is hard to comprehend.
Perhaps as you have said and seems logical. There are so many other
means that would be simplier and more effective. Why chose to find the]
means and develope a miniaure aircraft that would effect very little.
Another point taken> yes, lets broadcast what is being done so all will
know this is rudimentary and shows what modelers are capable of and
that even Burt Routan is an AMA member!
Members have done, can and are doing good things that have an effect
on population. Lets not try to hide behind the bushes or some stupid
unenforcable rule.
Surely the public will react positively to accomplishments and in turn
agencies react to them?
Bottom line> lets act like the fine positive organiation that AMA is, not
like some panty waist scared of its own shadow?
How's zat?
Amen to that.
I'd like to see your appeal framed as a question to all that seek AMA office.
Two choices: Yes I agree with Hal DeBolt's vision on this, or No, I'm actually too much of a wimp to be in any leadership position[&o]
Okay, it might need a little polishing up for the sake of PC - how about it, JR?
Abel
07-17-2004 | 03:07 PM
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Hi Abel
The way I have understood what Mr. deBolt has posted, Dave Mathewson is helping him prepare it for the EC. Sounds like pretty good help to me.
If anyone has thoughts, it can't hurt to post them, or contact Mr. deBolt and/or Mathewson.
Just my 2 cents
The way I have understood what Mr. deBolt has posted, Dave Mathewson is helping him prepare it for the EC. Sounds like pretty good help to me.
If anyone has thoughts, it can't hurt to post them, or contact Mr. deBolt and/or Mathewson.
Just my 2 cents
07-17-2004 | 03:18 PM
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Hal: I couldn't agree with you more. As you know, I am 100% behind Dave Mathewson for AMA President. I talked with Dave last week, and he didn't mention this, but if he is working with you then that's good. You remember what we went through when I put the Quadra 35 engine on the market - all the fuss about how dangerous the big planes were - and by todays standards, those were just tiny 1/4 scale models. Good thing the AMA didn't legislate engine size then as some wanted to do. Where would we be today if they did?
07-17-2004 | 04:25 PM
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Hey J.R. anything can be used to do harm, ANYTHING so what do you propose we just stop living our lives and crawl into a cave. This chicken little the sky is falling crap is gettin real old. Don't get me wrong , this sort of thing could be a problem. So what do you propose???? We should beat the bushs looking for the next guy who "wants to do something that no one else has done" Get real. Why havent you run for AMA president yet you seem to have the answers and the time?? This is not a attack I'm just wondering what your plan is..
07-17-2004 | 05:37 PM
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ORIGINAL: J_R
Hi Abel
The way I have understood what Mr. deBolt has posted, Dave Mathewson is helping him prepare it for the EC. Sounds like pretty good help to me.
If anyone has thoughts, it can't hurt to post them, or contact Mr. deBolt and/or Mathewson.
Just my 2 cents
Hi Abel
The way I have understood what Mr. deBolt has posted, Dave Mathewson is helping him prepare it for the EC. Sounds like pretty good help to me.
If anyone has thoughts, it can't hurt to post them, or contact Mr. deBolt and/or Mathewson.
Just my 2 cents
Yep, that's my understanding too, and I agree that's pretty good help. So, we have a pretty good idea where Mathewson stands on the question. I'd like to know where the other candidates are coming from. As far as AMA prexy goes there's only one guy to sound off - we all know where the third one has his head stuck. Then there's the others that will have a vote on the EC if elected.
Abel
07-17-2004 | 06:06 PM
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Suggest you carefully read not only my post above, but my previous ones regarding DB on the subject.
You may also want to read Mr. deBolt's posts, in other threads, on the subject.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/Auto...1725954/tm.htm
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/Auto...1590893/tm.htm
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/Auto...1348101/tm.htm
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/auto...1173476/tm.htm
Suggest you carefully read not only my post above, but my previous ones regarding DB on the subject.
You may also want to read Mr. deBolt's posts, in other threads, on the subject.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/Auto...1725954/tm.htm
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/Auto...1590893/tm.htm
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/Auto...1348101/tm.htm
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/auto...1173476/tm.htm
07-18-2004 | 07:31 PM
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Guys
I would like to thank Hal for his report on one of my latest test flights and to all of you that have come out with all of the positive responses to Hal's eye witness report.
As Hal stated this flight was a major event for Matt and my self, as this was the first time that it was flown as a complete system.
We have work very hard for a very long time to get it to where it is today .
This flight was the first time that we flew the 2.4 ghz digital spread RC the autopilot and the digital spread data down link all working as a complete system.
All of the individual components have been flown many many times to test and debug them.
During these test flights we have had backup and redundant systems to protect people and property on the ground as well as other aircraft in the air and to help prevent the loss of one of out test aircraft.
My good friend Robert Swain and I first conceived of this system over 2 1/2 years ago unfortunately Robert did not have as much time to devote to the project as we would have liked, so I brought Matt in after he graduated from college last year and with his help we progressed at a much faster rate than I could have ever hoped for.
A project like this is not and could never be an individuals project, it has been a teem project from day one.
I consider my self very lucky to know Robert and to have met Matt on the internet after Hal published the article on one of my first autonomous flights in the November 2000 Model Airplane News.
Now if you would like to see the technological advances in airo-modeling such as this continue halt then please vote for Mr. Mathewson for the new AMA president.
Thanks Guys
Dave Jones
AUAV.net
I would like to thank Hal for his report on one of my latest test flights and to all of you that have come out with all of the positive responses to Hal's eye witness report.
As Hal stated this flight was a major event for Matt and my self, as this was the first time that it was flown as a complete system.
We have work very hard for a very long time to get it to where it is today .
This flight was the first time that we flew the 2.4 ghz digital spread RC the autopilot and the digital spread data down link all working as a complete system.
All of the individual components have been flown many many times to test and debug them.
During these test flights we have had backup and redundant systems to protect people and property on the ground as well as other aircraft in the air and to help prevent the loss of one of out test aircraft.
My good friend Robert Swain and I first conceived of this system over 2 1/2 years ago unfortunately Robert did not have as much time to devote to the project as we would have liked, so I brought Matt in after he graduated from college last year and with his help we progressed at a much faster rate than I could have ever hoped for.
A project like this is not and could never be an individuals project, it has been a teem project from day one.
I consider my self very lucky to know Robert and to have met Matt on the internet after Hal published the article on one of my first autonomous flights in the November 2000 Model Airplane News.
Now if you would like to see the technological advances in airo-modeling such as this continue halt then please vote for Mr. Mathewson for the new AMA president.
Thanks Guys
Dave Jones
AUAV.net
07-18-2004 | 09:23 PM
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I don't see anything wrong with autonomous flight as long as the individuals involved aren't doing it in such a way where there is any potential for their pride and joy to come crashing through someone's windshield 5 miles away. As it stands, a vast majority[99.9%] of the model plane crashing I have ever seen is done within the confines of the club field, or within close proximity to the club field. The object of autonomous flight is to see how much exploring you can do with your model, and I don't think the potential for disaster outweighs the fun someone can get out of doing this. This is not twarting progress, or advancement of the hobby, it is just the AMA acting responsibly to head off what looks like a risky way to use model planes. If a guy wants to go off to eastern NEVADA to see how high and how far away he can fly, that's great, I just don't want to see this stuff being done around my neighborhood, and I am glad that the AMA does not sanction it.
07-18-2004 | 11:33 PM
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Chuck
Tisk,tisk,tisk. Guess you wouldn't want to take a chance and fly that R/C plane or that control line job or that free flight either...your position is selfless and we all look up to you.
Tisk,tisk,tisk. Guess you wouldn't want to take a chance and fly that R/C plane or that control line job or that free flight either...your position is selfless and we all look up to you.
07-19-2004 | 03:15 AM
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I just think that the element of risk and exposure to danger should be limited to those who choose to be around it ,including anyone who is dumb enough to buy a house that is situated next to an RC field. I don't think someone who lives a mile or more away from the field should have to worry about out of control model aircraft. There's no need to act like a "LITTLE CRANKSHAF" about it.
07-19-2004 | 08:58 AM
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The AMA needs to support this issue. We should be encouraged to try new technology and the AMA should be able to set up guidlines so that inexperiecned hobbiest can try it without being forced to do it underground and potentially hurt someone.
07-19-2004 | 09:10 AM
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Your posts are showing two things. You have not read Mr. deBolt's proposed rule change and you do not understand the purposes the AMA was founded for.
Your posts are showing two things. You have not read Mr. deBolt's proposed rule change and you do not understand the purposes the AMA was founded for.
07-19-2004 | 10:07 AM
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I just think that the element of risk and exposure to danger should be limited to those who choose to be around it ,including anyone who is dumb enough to buy a house that is situated next to an RC field. I don't think someone who lives a mile or more away from the field should have to worry about out of control model aircraft. There's no need to act like a "LITTLE CRANKSHAF" about it.
I just think that the element of risk and exposure to danger should be limited to those who choose to be around it ,including anyone who is dumb enough to buy a house that is situated next to an RC field. I don't think someone who lives a mile or more away from the field should have to worry about out of control model aircraft. There's no need to act like a "LITTLE CRANKSHAF" about it.
07-19-2004 | 02:05 PM
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Hey LCS, How far did you get in school?
What I see mostly here is the attitude of, "I'm going to do this hobby any which way I please, and to hell with anyone who wants to stand in my way". I see the same basic thinking on a daily basis with the "right to bear arms crowd" and with the "right to have a few beers and hop in my car" crowd. It is the fanatics in any crowd who fail to see that their activities have an unacceptable level of risk.
I applaud the efforts of those who have developed the technology to fly autonomously, and I bet they are having alot of fun with it. I am not naiive enough to think for one minute that the average modeler is going to be satisfied with flying a 5 pound plane in circles above the club field with a model that has the capability of being flown further than the eye can see.
What I see mostly here is the attitude of, "I'm going to do this hobby any which way I please, and to hell with anyone who wants to stand in my way". I see the same basic thinking on a daily basis with the "right to bear arms crowd" and with the "right to have a few beers and hop in my car" crowd. It is the fanatics in any crowd who fail to see that their activities have an unacceptable level of risk.
I applaud the efforts of those who have developed the technology to fly autonomously, and I bet they are having alot of fun with it. I am not naiive enough to think for one minute that the average modeler is going to be satisfied with flying a 5 pound plane in circles above the club field with a model that has the capability of being flown further than the eye can see.
07-19-2004 | 02:26 PM
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From: St Augustine, FL,
RE: Notice
ORIGINAL: combatpigg
Hey LCS, How far did you get in school?
What I see mostly here is the attitude of, "I'm going to do this hobby any which way I please, and to hell with anyone who wants to stand in my way". I see the same basic thinking on a daily basis with the "right to bear arms crowd" and with the "right to have a few beers and hop in my car" crowd. It is the fanatics in any crowd who fail to see that their activities have an unacceptable level of risk.
I applaud the efforts of those who have developed the technology to fly autonomously, and I bet they are having alot of fun with it. I am not naiive enough to think for one minute that the average modeler is going to be satisfied with flying a 5 pound plane in circles above the club field with a model that has the capability of being flown further than the eye can see.
Hey LCS, How far did you get in school?
What I see mostly here is the attitude of, "I'm going to do this hobby any which way I please, and to hell with anyone who wants to stand in my way". I see the same basic thinking on a daily basis with the "right to bear arms crowd" and with the "right to have a few beers and hop in my car" crowd. It is the fanatics in any crowd who fail to see that their activities have an unacceptable level of risk.
I applaud the efforts of those who have developed the technology to fly autonomously, and I bet they are having alot of fun with it. I am not naiive enough to think for one minute that the average modeler is going to be satisfied with flying a 5 pound plane in circles above the club field with a model that has the capability of being flown further than the eye can see.
Abel
07-19-2004 | 11:58 PM
#24
RE: Notice
ORIGINAL: combatpigg
Hey LCS, How far did you get in school?
Hey LCS, How far did you get in school?
Consider Mr piggy that... oh heck whats the use?
07-21-2004 | 12:15 PM
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RE: Notice
I have yet to see or hear of anybody releasing a gass FF model around here that was set up to leave the yard. FF is a dying sport that you see very little of and is not a major concern. I have read HAL DeBOLTs' commentary, and in a perfect world his proposal could work, but I would rather stand by the AMAs' position to err on the side of caution. LCS, if you can't attack the argument, you can always attempt to twist and put your spin on what someone lese has said. That is a favorite tactic of those who have little to,"bring to the table". Look up "SOPHMORIC" sometime.
