After reading all these posts who really cares or is it just a way to vent or think you can reallycontribute to the cause It takes all the members of this great Sport to get any thing done! You want to weight all the input and then evaluate what you have read then make a ferm committment and get involved. then most of all never give up.
It is easy to destroy what takes years to build! but it only takes a minute to support what you have and the people you have. Make sure you know what you are involved in before you make a statement and get your foot caught in your mouth BEEN THERE DONE that

Forums are a place where people can go to gripe, complain, and insult without much fear of repercussions. For Example: If some people carried on towards others like they do in here, and were in an actual room filled with real (non-cyber)people, then more then likely some would be going home with black eyes. I really do honestly believe that some people forget that they are communicating with another live person when posting. I find it hard to believe that some of these people who seem so rude and nasty in the forums are really that hard to get along with in real life, and are probally more selective in their opinions when around other "real" people, and very pleasant, but I could have it all wrong and maybe they are that opinionated in "real" life, and do go home with an occasional black eye every know and again!

You wonder why that when a person goes to a club field or is in public they do not want you to no that they use forums. Then when you find out who they are, you find out they are the same in real life If they get PO here you no what to look for at the field or they just don't show up
When a group of young gentlemen show up at the field and are interested in RC who care[&o] very few will get involved and the ones that do are the ones you least expect to

just google some of these characters, and you will find that they have been like this for years and years and years. Pretty much the same talk, same walk. Good entertainment value.

Well, I care....
I care about the hobby, I care about the AMA and what it does, I care about the safety of my fellow flyers, I care about new rules that may hurt my brethren, I care about promoting the hobby and promogating my club and it's future, I care about flying, I care about listening to diffeent views on issues regardless whether or not I agree with them.

Who really cares? I think everyone here in their own way really cares, I think every person who puts lift under their leading edge cares. I think we ALL care.

YES "we" all care as long as nothing gets in the way of what "WE" want! You see people that if the hobby does not go the way they want get back in a corner and fell sorry for the selves. As long as you do not have to face a person and back up your beliefs with fact or put you self in there shoes who cares.
You no it is great when it gets right down to the real issues and some thing really needs input, Who really cares or are we just looking out for #1 OH what we do to the freedoms and rights we have and abuse[&o]

Ladies and Gentlemen!

I care, and have been taught over many years of membership in this and other organizations that there is a great deal of give and take in this as in other hobbies where like minded people come together to practice their "art".
We are a unqiue breed, in that we are engineers, craftsmen, artists, and ultimately pilots. Thinking back to my youth, the men in my club did help, and explain the financials, the fact that you had to build your own plane (they would ehlp and advise) but, you had to do it! An element that gets lost in the "want it now" society!
I am sure that many of us still go out of our way to assist young and old new fliers to work to see that they do have successful starting experiences and this does bring them back!!
Although I am not an "E" Flier, I do respect their desire in their chosen endeavour, and who knows, I may learn something new, us gassers sometimes get tunnel vision.
As a member of several association boards, and participant in at least ten other associations, comparatively, AMA does a superb job of serving a majorly diverse group of persons and personalities. I have always felt as though I got my "fair share" from the annual dues, and compared to many associations, the value of insurance as well as information in a steal for what we get in the way of lobbying efforts, rules and lets not forget site assistance - They are there to help us - iif we ask for it.
Sorry for the soapbox, however, I shudder to think what would happen if they were not there to work at controlling this sport.
I operate under a simple premise, f they look like they need help, Help, if they need or should ask for help getting their plane, go and help them, we will all need assistance someday. It makes for a great day with great people at the local field, and many friendships are founded on this simple premise.
Care, you bet I do, and if we focused on that and constructively guided AMA with our thoughts an ideas then we can truly say we are involved and do make a difference.
Teach a kid (8 or 80) to fly, you will always remember it, by the way, remember when yu soloed?

and I care very much too.having been a member since 1972 I care about the future of our hobby.it's exploding and now we have so many options given the new technology especially among electrics.and the big gasser some of us fly need lots of airspace for obvious safety concerns.we need to be able to agree to disagree..but it doesnt mean the dismantling of an entire organization . The ama needs to re evaluate some things inasmuchas the hobby has changed dramatically over the recent years..and it needs our input in a constructive manner.perhaps a committee that travels to varying parts of its membership holding what amounts to townhall forums and taking the information under review and put forth recommendations to change certain aspects of the ama to reflect the state of outr hobby and communicate better with us..I just looked at my montly ama publication and no offense its boring as hell.my professional association communicates routinely via the internet.couldnt we use that email vehicle instead of a boring magazine..just a thought ..I dont have answers either maybe we need to try new things .most of all remember we all love flying and are passionate about our hobby.lets ensure its future and have a unified voice .

Indeed, input in a constructive manner is precisely what AMA needs. Alas, such constructive input is largely not to be had in this or any other online forum because of the nature of the beast.

The online forum, that is.

As for a 'travelling committee' holding 'town hall' meetings, gathering information for review, and putting forth recommendations, that is precisely what your District officers are supposed to be doing all the time.

District V for example has some 23,000 members, and Tony Stillman cannot possibly visit all the members at their respective clubs. Tony has some 18 helpers, those being the District V Associate Vice Presidents.

In North Georgia, I have the responsibility for supporting 34 clubs scattered over the entire Northern half of the State, and trust me when I say I've only managed to meet with about half of those clubs so far this year. I'll meet with the remaining clubs as time permits, with the goal of meeting with every club at least once a year, "up close and personal" as it were. These meetings are either at a sanctioned event the club hosts, or at a club meeting, or simply at the club flying site on a weekend when a reasonable percentage of the members are likely to be present.

There is no way I'll ever be able to talk directly to every AMA member in North Georgia; I'll be lucky if I can meet the goal of meeting every club once a year because being an AVP is a volunteer (and largely thankless) job and I do have to keep a roof over my head by doing the 8-to-4:30 thing five days a week.

On the other hand, every District V officer (save one) has an e-mail address which is listed on the District V web site as well as on the AMA web site. Our addresses and phone numbers are posted as well.

Care to guess how many District V members have used my District V e-mail address to contact me with their concerns this year ?

Zero.

Care to guess how many District V members have used my District V e-mail address to contact me _at all_ this year ?

Three, and those only in response to my efforts to contact them.

OTOH I've received thank-you's from several clubs for being >the first AMA official in history to ever visit their club<, so I suppose that means we are making progress in getting in touch with the membership. I'm real sure it also means that District V has been essentially defunct from an operational standpoint for about 20 years, until Tony Stillman won the election last Fall. It takes time to get a whole AMA District "jump started".

Got a problem with something AMA is doing ? Contact a District Associate Vice President and tell them about it. Try to avoid being antagonistic because they are volunteers and probably didn't sign on just to be a dumping ground for complaints.

Can't seem to get any response from your local AVP ? Contact your District Vice President and let him know about it.

If you can't get any answers from anyone on your District staff, contact any other AMA officer you can find and let them know about your concerns.

Start with the local guy first 'cuz that's why he's got the job in the first place. The local AVP may not have all the answers down pat, but he can certainly find the person who does

From one who does really care,

Looks like every one that posts hear care's in one way or the other just keep supporting what you believe in and see where this hobby can go
I even went out and flew My planes what a great time I had .

When you take on a job is it to serve or is it for the glory[] Be it Pres of a club or webb master do you really care[]

Well I got my answer I wish to thank the people that own the sight for the great time I had there. We have been great friend for many years and nothing will get between that. And that goes for Vince to

Hawk...is it possible that nobody seems to care about what you have to say because you communicate it so poorly?
No offense intended, but I can never made heads or tails of what you are trying to get across, so I don't read your posts anymore. You have had 2000+ posts to figure out how to get your ideas across, that's enough, at this point, that the onus is on YOU to fix it. I'm not talking about misspellings and such, I can put up with that, I am talking about not being able to put across a post that makes any sense.
Try reading your posts aloud to yourself before hitting "enter" and see what I mean.

EASY
The people involved understand the posts. I get on thier nerves as bad if not worse than I get on yours Just because I don't use names make a lot of people POed because they want to get involved and don't no what is going on or what it is all about. And I keep the mods busy watching what I am posting Just got a Email that I got off moderation what ever that amounts to[]
O yes trying to find a new flying site is not as easy as some think, you just don't move across the fence. And you know driving a long distance is out for some one on a limited income[&o]
Clubs , Officers and flying sites!!!!!!!!!

You don't get on MY nerves at all. I'm just having a hard time understanding what you are saying. Nothing more than that. Can't say if I agree or disagree with what you are saying, because I have a hard time making it out. No offense intended at all.

I doughnut understand. Oh, eye sea. Some words sound alike , but are spelled differently.

RC Hawk, I think what ET is saying is say what you mean and quit speaking in metaphores. I can't figure out what you're getting at most of the time either.

I am NOT making fun of you. And I don't care about spelling, either. I think you really need to work on communicating properly, that's all. Just try reading your post aloud before posting it.

ET
If you were not picking on me it would be some one else Then what would we do. I get accomplish what I want to do and you do the same but in different way's. We just do our thing and wait and see what happens be it here on RCU or with People and Clubs we would like to see changes in. Not just changes in power then you end up with worse conditions than you started out with and more hard feelings.
It always helps to read the whole story and not just the end , then you can relate to what is happening and pass judgment. and I do help people that appreciate what they recieve

I'm NOT picking on your, or making fun of you, just want to understand what you are saying, nothing more. I really do not mean any offense.

I can't menagerie his ability to discombobulate through the factioning parsyllable.

RC Hawk has a dinfragmented participle and is clandestine in his effections to belate to all purveyors of said foreplays.
One day he will park his Subaru up a tree with all good flammenheiners, and on that day we will recuse that we have witnessed greativity.

ET - You just need a BasinBum plug-in translator! That's all.

Any one that can post like that has no room to talk and every one thinks i am the Idiot

Nice one RC..you sure got me there.