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Old 12-19-2005, 12:22 PM
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AMA has posted on their web site the following public information.

Alcoa Foundation Grant
(Added 12/19/05)
On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, AMA received a check for $100,000 from the Alcoa Foundation. This was the third such grant from the foundation.

Alcoa funded an initial $28,000 "pilot project" to train science teachers in Cleveland to use the "Inventing Flight" curriculum produced to celebrate the Wright Brothers centennial in 2003.

Because of the success of this program, the Foundation subsequently awarded the AMA a second grant for $128,000 to present four more workshops: a second one in Cleveland, one in Iowa, and two in Indiana.

This grant was extended to permit the Education Committee to use unexpended funds to create a DVD featuring workshop activities and lessons that the committee intends to offer to teachers throughout the country on our Web site (www.buildandfly.com). The new grant will allow the Education Committee to offer three more workshops to science teachers in the United States, and Alcoa has requested that we offer one in Great Britain.

This grant brings the total support from the Alcoa Foundation to more than $250,000. These are funds we are successfully using to improve and refine activities using model airplanes as a teaching tool for middle school physical science.The Alcoa Foundation may be interested in using our activities as part of a package their employees could leave with teachers when they visit classrooms to give career talks.

The Education committee recognizesJack Frost, April Hathaway, and Michael Smith who have assisted with presentations and exhibit work at National Science Teacher Association workshops that promote the sport, hobby and educational value of model aviation.

—Gordon Schimmel, Ed.D.
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Old 12-19-2005, 12:59 PM
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Bet 80% went to "administrative costs".
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Bet 80% went to "administrative costs".
Ah, another unsubstantiated accusation based on nothing other than uninformed prejudice. The internet at its finest.

In fact, an organization like the Alcoa Foundation has VERY strict guidelines for how their money is spent. Any organization that gets money from a large foundation like the Alcoa Foundation MUST provide a very concise accounting of how the money was used. I can assure you that overhead/administrative costs are by necessity kept to a minimum.

My wife writes grant proposals for a 501(c) 3 charity for a living. You have no idea how many hoops these large granting foundations make you jump through. So in summary - your accusation above is false. But if you really feel you are right, I suggest you contact the Alcoa Foundation. They will be keen to know what proof you have because they are very interested in making sure their money is used effectively and for the purposes they grant it.

But given that this is third grant they have given the AMA they are apparently very satisfied with how their money is being used and the results that they are seeing. So please, contact them. Give them the facts to back up your accusation. Set them straight. Show them how stupid they are being.

Here's their website:

http://www.alcoa.com/global/en/commu...foundation.asp

I am sure they will be very eager to work with you. Foundations hate getting ripped off.
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I personally think this is a good thing.
I commend the AMA and Horrace Cain for bringing this to our attention.
Old 12-19-2005, 02:23 PM
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I would LOVE to take this course and would LOVE to teach it to students!!

I live in MAss. I think I need those DVD's!!!! I think this is great

What I do not like is the asumption that the AMA is evil All the time...I think they have their faults, but they do do some good....some anyway...
Old 12-19-2005, 03:47 PM
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Ooo! All the AMA clones marching in lock step!

Tell me clones, how much does this so called "educational" organiztion grant per year for higher education? Also where does that money come from?

Yes I know. Do you?
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ORIGINAL: SoCal GliderGuider

Ooo! All the AMA clones marching in lock step!

Tell me clones, how much does this so called "educational" organiztion grant per year for higher education? Also where does that money come from?

Yes I know. Do you?
Oh, please do tell, O great SOCAL ONE.

Um, which educational organization are you speaking of? Alcoa or AMA?
Obviously AMA gets their money from dues and donations. Alcoa gets theirs from PRODUCTION OF GOODS THAT YOU BUY.
Alcoa is not required to grant ANY money to education. They do it for the betterment of their communities. The AMA exist to promote the hobby through education programs.

Make a point SOCAL, it makes it much more interesting to the reader.
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If you know you could state it. Go to the website mentined above. They tell you that they gave 17 million in grants worldwide in 2004. They favor the locations in which they do business but do award grants based upon the merit and need of the program. The money comes from the profits that they make and investments that the foundation makes so that they have a on-going source of money for programs. Some people should do research before opening their mouth.
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Wow, SoCal.....I have no idea how o respond to your comment....Usually I would just shake my head and walk away from such verbal diaharea.
I am really really sorry you are so jaded and carry such an axe for our organization. At least you have options other than the AMA....oh that's right you don't.
Well instead of poking holes i the parachute why not try helping mend it.
If you are not part of the solution than you are the problem!!!
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I think this is good news for Model Aviation. I can't believe there are those who would run their mouth against the generousity of the ALCOA Corp putting money towards the education of Model Aviation. There is a million other places they could put that tax deductible money, but they choose to put it with an organization that represents my interest, and should also represent the interest of all those who post in here. Some people just live to complain about every little thing, and people(Flyers) who would complain over a large corparate donation to Model Aviation really should consider finding another hobby, like arguing politics! If you are not an AMA Member, then this has no effect on you whatsoever, and your oppinion has no weight. If you are an AMA Member, you still only had to pay $58 for Membership! Your dues didn't increase because of a educational grant from a corp, so where in the he!! is the arguement?
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For information on the Alcoa Foundation.
http://www.alcoa.com/global/en/commu...foundation.asp
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If you would like to send the Alcoa Foundation as an AMA Memeber a Thank You for their generousity.
http://www.alcoa.com/global/en/gener...tact_alcoa.asp
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So it's now obvious that the AMA Cronies can't even read a simple sentence.

Let's try that again.
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Sad really,
I get this image of a 4 year ld guy living with his mom in her basement who never had a girlfriend in his life typing away in this forum....Am I alone in this image?
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SoCal used to be a nice place to live and had some great modelers. My how times have changed. Now it seems they would complain if they were to be hung with a new rope. There's an old, old, old saying about looking a gift horse in the mouth. If there are verifiable facts about the gifts from ALCOA let's put them out in the open instead of throwing innuendos all over the web. Put up or shut up.
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Ooo! All the AMA clones marching in lock step!
You are absolutely right! I am sure there is some underhanded conspiracy going on! That Grant money will probally get laundered through the AMA Mafia ties, and then funneled into the AMA Presidents personal Bank account where he will then use it at the Black Jack Table in Vegas, and some also going towards Horse Racing wagers. Then if any money is won at the table, he will then put that money towards the secret fund the AMA has set up to make pay-offs to cronies to visit a Members house who may run there mouth way to much! So I am forced out of fear to go along with everything AMA says and does because I don't want no AMA cronies visiting my house! You are so brave SoCal ,or not very.........! Does this scenario sound rediculous? Well so did your statement SoCal!

On a serious note, I would really like to hear some intelligent explanation from you why this is not a good thing? You are aware I hope that AMA is not all about you, but rather about us? Any good contribution to the Hobby by any individual or company is a good thing, and I just can't find anywhere to find fault in that! So please explain your position better so I might understand!
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......... Education Committee to use unexpended funds to create a DVD featuring workshop activities and lessons that the committee intends to offer to teachers throughout the country on our Web site (www.buildandfly.com). .................
I hope there will be some unexpended funds and that these funds will be used to do the DVD's. There is no information (at least I could not find it) on the website about this. Anyone have any news regarding this?

A number of us in our area are trying to breath life back into the clubs in our area and any such material will help us greatly.

I have a message to all the AMA naysayers too, "Shut up and Fly".

Safe Flying! & a Merry Christmas, y'all
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Sad really,
I get this image of a 4 year ld guy living with his mom in her basement who never had a girlfriend in his life typing away in this forum....Am I alone in this image?
Nope, right on the mark; just a little to polite with the written assessment!
Bet they love this guy at the local hobby shop!
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ORIGINAL: SSRCCPREZ

Sad really,
I get this image of a 4 year ld guy living with his mom in her basement who never had a girlfriend in his life typing away in this forum....Am I alone in this image?
Nope, right on the mark; just a little to polite with the written assessment!
Bet they love this guy at the local hobby shop!
Does his mommy let him go there unescorted?
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from the AMA's announcement:
The Education committee recognizes Jack Frost, April Hathaway, and Michael Smith who have assisted with... <snip>
OK, so if we want some spinoff (i.e., DVDs/other educational material) to help us locally, it looks like these folks at AMA Hq are the ones to call, eh? Maybe a polite call or email to them would yield something positive.

Mike

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