To answer this particular statment. I wish I could bypass it. However there is a benifit to sanctioning that I will only discuss in a PM so if you want to know drop me a PM. The benifit has NOTHING to do with the AMA if that helps you figure it out

For reference, according to the AMA contest calendar, it looks like the dates for last year's ARKS ANNUAL MAY FUN FLY was 5/21-22. I wonder, do they traditionally have it the weekend before Memorial day weekend? How many years have they been doing this? What's the relative size of their event versus yours? Comments in your original post hint that you anticipated the conflict.

I did not know the dates they had their event last year. I see where that could have been an issue now. I antisipated a conflict only in regards to I knew they had a spring event, not knowing the time frame or event that's why we picked what we did and when we did. We had allot of our own isues we had to deal with and the other club was not as high an issue as the Air Force Base event when we selected the dates. Hindsight being what it is I know I should have paid more attention to it. But I really never expected this to be the issue it has become as I expected the DCC to do his job. Heck when we picked the dates he could have said "you know the other club has there event at this time" But he never said anything to us either so it was assumed that our date was good and fair. If it had been caught early enough for us we could have picked a different date but we only found out a week ago that the conflict exisited. At this point little or nothing can be done.

Ken: first post:
Ken would you please specify what the events are: Yours is listed as a FLY-IN with no restrictions, while Amarillo is listed as a Fun-Fly with some competition.

In addition your event CD is one Mr. Joe Wood. You have not stated if Chief contacted Joe to see if the events on the same weekend would be acceptable. I think it might shed a better light if Joe sent you an email stating that there was never any contact or there was contact. Chief normally has been great in contacting by either telephone or email when there is the slightest chance of a conflict unless there is some injection from above, where his hands are tied.

Then post here what Joe has to say. Joe is the CD. Once the club approves the hosting of an event The CD is the MAN when it comes to his sanctioned event. At that point any battles to fight really belong to him.

Funny thing about Chief's contacts. He asked me if it would be acceptable for an area club to have a cross country thing on my weekend for a WarBird Fly-In. I said OK but advise the club they will be missing out on a great warbird fly-in. Even before he received my email the other CD had canceled the request because his helpers, when notified of the Jetero RC WarBird event, said NO NO we are going to Jetero. Made me feel good.

I agree that it pretty much sounds like you knew that the other club was having an event sometime in that 2 or 3 week period. You knew it.

And I think that it's possible that you guys submitted your application--hoping that AMA would approve it--and then block-out that date for other local clubs. That way you could get a big turn-out. But it backfired--and now your upset. I think it's reasonable to be dissapointed because your plan backfired--but taking it public and making such a big deal out of it--I don't understand that one. I'm sure that some part of you feels wronged by AMA--but I don't see the point in broadcasting it publicly. Just do a better job next year, and forget about it for now.

I think you should have contacted the other clubs. Your all at fault. You, the AMA and the other clubs. Screw the AMA--they are just a big insurance company--and you should know better than to rely on them to coordinate schedules between local clubs. They are just like the government. Too big, and too unorganized to really be effective when it comes to getting something like this right on the first try. There's just too much red tape involved to trust them to oversee all the applications and remedy conflicts.

I think you and the other clubs should communicate amongst yourselves. You guys are the flyers. You guys are the ones trying to generate revenue for your clubs. It's in your best interest to coordinate the schedules first--and THEN submit your applications to AMA for the red tape stamp.

Communication would have avoided all of this frustration, and hard feelings.

Several people have brought up some very valid points.

There interpretations of the events are open to that, interpretation. Since none of the people making these assumptions where at our club meetings, I can see where they would get the idea of how things might have gone. Since I have no reason to lie I will no longer try to defend what I have said numerous times in this post.

This is the first time I have had to deal with the district in this manner (as club president). It has been a learning experience to say the least. I appreciate everyone’s posts and ideas regarding this.

Hoss,
I have not spoke with Joe Wood on the matter as he is not available at this time. I had to address the issues in his place. I will be speaking with him on May 1st.

You followed the rules and the date should be yours, period. CD's should not be required to call, notify, or check with every other club for hundreds of miles to see if a date is available. "First come first serve" works and is the fairest way of date reservation. It's not your fault the other guy fell asleep at the switch and let his club down.

OTH, I believe that a rule protecting potential "draw" to an event is ridiculous in the first place. If a club is going to have an event, especially an annual event, they should make it worth while. A good or great event will attract many more people by word of mouth than one that is simply the only thing "sanctioned" for four hundred miles that is supposedly "organized". Find out what the people want to do at an event and give it to them. Make them want to come back next year and it won't make any difference what day you choose, they'll be there. Just a thought

BURGER KING....IA PROUD OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cAPT,N

You guys need to get back on your MEDS..get out of the RC biz and back into your coffee shops where this kind of nonsense belongs!

Wow. Have all 7 of your post been as friendly as this?


Anyhooo, to the matter at hand. We run into this often in the Houston area. If we class the event as a Fun Fly and a club 30 miles away who classes theirs as a Swap meet or fly in, they will also get the dates.

It happens all the time, here, you have to choose which event to attend, bummer[:'(]

Tony, could you please provide some examples of that statement -- AMA sanctioned events only?

The only problem that I am aware of comes from the "Cr" (C restricted), usually an IMAA and a "C" which is any NON- Rule Book event. A club CAN have a "C" "Big Bird" while a neighbor club hosts an IMAA Cr Big Bird. That is the club's problem.
The C events, be they Fly-In or Fun-Fly etc. will be separated by 100 miles. No protection is provided a Cr which is a direct slap in the face to IMAA by the good Mr. D. Brown. OTOH IMAA should rectify that little problem.

You know, if there had been a little friendly back-and-forth between the two clubs, we would not be having this discussion. The lack of communication between the clubs was the keystone event for this situation. The rest is just window dressing. What is the take-home lesson here? Best time to solve a problem is before it happens?

Yup. But is seems like the OP WANTED to get the date of the other club's event, and thought the Coordinator would have to give the OTHER club a different date. And he does not REALLY seem to be asking if he was right or wrong, he thinks he is right, and that's that. This thread is a yawner, just a guy looking for sympathy for a bad decision he made, and blaming it on the AMA.
Oh, well, unsubscribe.

Yo Hoss, can I get specific, no. I go so many events, show, contest, airshows, fun flys, swap meets, etc, I don't remember. I assume all are AMA events.

I do remeber a couple years ago, there was another event at Ft. Bend the same weekend at the Prop Nuts annual fly in/ swap meet. I went to the Pro Nuts event becasue I always have in the past. There was some feelings about the other club having something the same weekend. Now the clubs fields, may exceed the 100 limit, however the Houston Area R/C community always has seemed to partisipate in other clubs events.

The other 2 I am thinking of were IMAA events. Brazoria County had a IMAA event and I think it was Jetero that had a something that same weekend. Those also may be over 100 miles. I understand that IMAA is a whole other subject and do not count.

Last year or year before last, some other club did a event on the same weekend at the Bomber Warbird. I understand the other event was very limited on attendence.

In the club I belong too, when we are planning events, we work with other clubs to ensure no conflits and most are trying for annual events.

He thinks he's right because he is right. Rules should apply to everybody or they shouldn't exist. Unless, of course, you happen to be a democrat and then we are required to consider your feelings, country of origin, childhood environment, stress level, sexual preference, and consult your horoscope before making a decision as to whether you should be exempted from what everyone has to follow.

That's nice.
Except you don't know what you are talking about.

He WAS given the date. On a first come first serve basis. So much for your theory.

Nope, pretty sure you're the one confused here.

Yeah, you must be right. Good luck.

EASYTIGER,

You have come to this thread making assumption after assumption. You persist in the idea that I was wrong. You continue to be argumentative as well. Well you are in New York and never attended any of the meetings we had so please keep your ASSumptions to your self. You refuse to listen to the facts that are presented. Please next time you see a thread started by me consider that you will get ignored.

I was looking for constructive criticism and got it from most people. You on the other hand offered nothing constructive and allot of criticism. You also failed to LISTEN to what was said. You are welcome to continue on with your point of view, just not here.

MOD, Please close this thread.