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08-08-2008 | 02:36 PM
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RE: August MA
ORIGINAL: KW_Counter
I've loved their technical articles such as the Battery Clinic, the Engine Clinic, the Q&A and especially the Safety articles.
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I've loved their technical articles such as the Battery Clinic, the Engine Clinic, the Q&A and especially the Safety articles.
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08-10-2008 | 05:17 PM
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RE: August MA
robotech:
"I'm not knowledgable on the MA staff and internal workings..."
"I'm not knowledgable on the MA staff and internal workings..."
You are in considerable company. Even the Technical Director has problems there. Page 179:
Speaking of noise requirements, while he uses old numbers, he doesn't state that Pattern still has noise limitations in the event rules.
Pattern Rules.
4.2. Noise Limit. Each reciprocating or
rotary piston internal combustion engine shall be
equipped with an effective silencer. The
maximum noise level for all classes shall be 96
decibels measured at three (3) meters from the
center line of the model with the model standing
on concrete or macadam, and 94 dB if an earth or
short grass surface must be used. All
measurements will be taken perpendicular to the
fuselage centerline on the right-hand downwind
side of the model with the motor running at full
power; the microphone to be placed on a stand
30 centimeters above the ground and in line with
the motor. No noise reflecting objects shall be
nearer than three (3) meters to model or
microphone. A score penalty of five (5) percent
of the raw flight score shall be assessed for those
models registering over 96 dB and
a 10 percent penalty for those registering over 98
dB. The Contest Director (CD) shall have the
option of deleting the noise level requirement at
any sanctioned event.
A Technical Director that authors an article in the magazine that knows not what he speaks about and knows not that he knows not well the statement has often been completed. In addition he goes on to use the term ".... sanctioned fields." Ye-Gads, just how much ignorance can the chief of the rules, regulations and organization display?
Sanctions:
"AMASanctioned Events
AMA sanctions contests, fly-for-fun meets, demonstrations, and other
flying events: an AMA sanction means that the activity is endorsed by the
Academy, is supervised by an AMA Contest Director (CD), is intended for
AMA members only,.."
BYLAWS: SEC. II
"(k) To establish and maintain official regulations governing the
conduct of model airplane records and contests and issue sanctions for
same."
AMA does NOT sanction flying sites. [:'(][:'(]
Just how many times have those that know explained the sanction charter situations in this very forum plus several other forums? If I were the TD and made such a bogus statement, I would apologize for the next year.
The magazine is definitely a wealth of good information from first scan, however I haven't read it all yet. Yet when you read the Tech Director's article, go left to the facing page178 and read the Dist. XI DVP's article. Best DVP Report in many years. It's about time a DVP said something important.
08-10-2008 | 07:02 PM
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RE: August MA
ORIGINAL: Hossfly
A Technical Director that authors an article in the magazine that knows not what he speaks about and knows not that he knows not well the statement has often been completed.
A Technical Director that authors an article in the magazine that knows not what he speaks about and knows not that he knows not well the statement has often been completed.
Yeah Hoss, that was a pretty weak column. He nods to (physics) when referring to tip speed, but cites an old wives' tale with "What you hear when your engine unloads in the air is the prop tips going supersonic...." Don't need physics to blow that nonsense away - just the simplest math will show that model airplane prop elements rarely approach Mach 1, and for those capable of operating with sound emissions below 90 dBA at 9 feet, a little more complex math/physics and/or empirical observation will show they invariably operate with tip speeds below Mach 0.45.
I'll give him this much - he doesn't mangle concepts of acoustics and noise annoyance in the general populace as badly as Dean Pappas did in his column several months ago......but........neither does his technical knowledge of noise approach that of the man he replaced in the TD slot. BTW, if he should desire to know why metric units are cited for sound level measurements in the rulebook for pattern competition, he might ask Steve K. That change was Steve's doing while he served on the Sound Committee (yeah there was one, despite Hahn's "we are in the process of forming a committee.....")), and there is a very rational basis for it. Might also ask why limits on sound level are imposed at all for competition events like pattern. There are good reasons for that too, and the guy that heads the competitions Dept at HQ ought to know them.
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08-10-2008 | 07:47 PM
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RE: August MA
ORIGINAL: Red Scholefield
Now that IS a warm fuzzy - much appreciated.
ORIGINAL: KW_Counter
I've loved their technical articles such as the Battery Clinic, the Engine Clinic, the Q&A and especially the Safety articles.
KW_Counter
I've loved their technical articles such as the Battery Clinic, the Engine Clinic, the Q&A and especially the Safety articles.
KW_Counter
The MA I think is doing a much better job overall. There are always good things in it and to be honest, as a complete noob to the battery side of the coin, Red's articles have taught me a lot.
One of the things I have always done is use the MA (past issue's) to give to people that come and watch us fly on Sunday's when we fly our gliders. We call it the Church of the Sunday Morning Thermal and when people have questions, I am happy to hand them an old issue and say read through this and here is my number, call me if I can help with any questions.
The biggest reason I can tell I like the magazine more is that it is getting harder and harder to give away old copies. Not because people won't take them, but because it's harder to get myself to part with them.
Keep it rolling folks!!
08-11-2008 | 10:41 AM
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RE: August MA
I very much agree that MA is trending in a very positive direction. I personally attribute this to their current editor michael Ramsey. He kept Flying Models a well rounded entertaining magazine for years and he appears to be moving MA into that same realm. I would not look at that magazine for years (with the exception of the two scale columns), but have recently found myself reading most of the magazine. Kudos to Michael!
Dave
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08-12-2008 | 07:48 PM
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RE: August MA
When I recived my August MA, I thought hear's a mag packed full of models I could
never afford in a million years. Nothing for me there. After reading it, I found the
turbine articles interesting, and informative. That EDF 727 was stunning, I can only
aspire to build that well. Although I'm not a turbine modeler, I enjoyed it anyway,
Nice job MA! I hope that a sport plane special is being considered, an issue that the
"average joe" sport modeler can really sink his teeth into.
never afford in a million years. Nothing for me there. After reading it, I found the
turbine articles interesting, and informative. That EDF 727 was stunning, I can only
aspire to build that well. Although I'm not a turbine modeler, I enjoyed it anyway,
Nice job MA! I hope that a sport plane special is being considered, an issue that the
"average joe" sport modeler can really sink his teeth into.
08-12-2008 | 08:13 PM
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RE: August MA
MA is always a good magazine if you like model aviation. There is always something of interest for somebody. If you just throw it away well you are well you just are. ARF, Kit, glow, elect, sailplane, CL,FF it is all good. Remember the name is Model Aviation not Model Builder ( They went out of business years ago).
08-13-2008 | 03:52 PM
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RE: August MA
If you had not noticed (Obviously some do not), yes there has been a change at MA at Editor, Michael Ramsey, and Jay Smith, Assistant Editor. Mr. Hunt was the Editor prior to Mike taking the post last year, Jay has just started in the last couple of months and was the main guy behind the Nats News.
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08-13-2008 | 05:45 PM
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RE: August MA
ORIGINAL: Hossfly
That portion of your post I agree with you! [8D]
You are in considerable company. Even the Technical Director has problems there. Page 179:
Speaking of noise requirements, while he uses old numbers, he doesn't state that Pattern still has noise limitations in the event rules.
Pattern Rules.
4.2. Noise Limit. Each reciprocating or
rotary piston internal combustion engine shall be
equipped with an effective silencer. The
maximum noise level for all classes shall be 96
decibels measured at three (3) meters from the
center line of the model with the model standing
on concrete or macadam, and 94 dB if an earth or
short grass surface must be used. All
measurements will be taken perpendicular to the
fuselage centerline on the right-hand downwind
side of the model with the motor running at full
power; the microphone to be placed on a stand
30 centimeters above the ground and in line with
the motor. No noise reflecting objects shall be
nearer than three (3) meters to model or
microphone. A score penalty of five (5) percent
of the raw flight score shall be assessed for those
models registering over 96 dB and
a 10 percent penalty for those registering over 98
dB. The Contest Director (CD) shall have the
option of deleting the noise level requirement at
any sanctioned event.
A Technical Director that authors an article in the magazine that knows not what he speaks about and knows not that he knows not well the statement has often been completed. In addition he goes on to use the term ".... sanctioned fields." Ye-Gads, just how much ignorance can the chief of the rules, regulations and organization display?
Sanctions:
"AMASanctioned Events
AMA sanctions contests, fly-for-fun meets, demonstrations, and other
flying events: an AMA sanction means that the activity is endorsed by the
Academy, is supervised by an AMA Contest Director (CD), is intended for
AMA members only,.."
BYLAWS: SEC. II
"(k) To establish and maintain official regulations governing the
conduct of model airplane records and contests and issue sanctions for
same."
AMA does NOT sanction flying sites. [:'(][:'(]
Just how many times have those that know explained the sanction charter situations in this very forum plus several other forums? If I were the TD and made such a bogus statement, I would apologize for the next year.
The magazine is definitely a wealth of good information from first scan, however I haven't read it all yet. Yet when you read the Tech Director's article, go left to the facing page178 and read the Dist. XI DVP's article. Best DVP Report in many years. It's about time a DVP said something important.
robotech:
"I'm not knowledgable on the MA staff and internal workings..."
"I'm not knowledgable on the MA staff and internal workings..."
You are in considerable company. Even the Technical Director has problems there. Page 179:
Speaking of noise requirements, while he uses old numbers, he doesn't state that Pattern still has noise limitations in the event rules.
Pattern Rules.
4.2. Noise Limit. Each reciprocating or
rotary piston internal combustion engine shall be
equipped with an effective silencer. The
maximum noise level for all classes shall be 96
decibels measured at three (3) meters from the
center line of the model with the model standing
on concrete or macadam, and 94 dB if an earth or
short grass surface must be used. All
measurements will be taken perpendicular to the
fuselage centerline on the right-hand downwind
side of the model with the motor running at full
power; the microphone to be placed on a stand
30 centimeters above the ground and in line with
the motor. No noise reflecting objects shall be
nearer than three (3) meters to model or
microphone. A score penalty of five (5) percent
of the raw flight score shall be assessed for those
models registering over 96 dB and
a 10 percent penalty for those registering over 98
dB. The Contest Director (CD) shall have the
option of deleting the noise level requirement at
any sanctioned event.
A Technical Director that authors an article in the magazine that knows not what he speaks about and knows not that he knows not well the statement has often been completed. In addition he goes on to use the term ".... sanctioned fields." Ye-Gads, just how much ignorance can the chief of the rules, regulations and organization display?
Sanctions:
"AMASanctioned Events
AMA sanctions contests, fly-for-fun meets, demonstrations, and other
flying events: an AMA sanction means that the activity is endorsed by the
Academy, is supervised by an AMA Contest Director (CD), is intended for
AMA members only,.."
BYLAWS: SEC. II
"(k) To establish and maintain official regulations governing the
conduct of model airplane records and contests and issue sanctions for
same."
AMA does NOT sanction flying sites. [:'(][:'(]
Just how many times have those that know explained the sanction charter situations in this very forum plus several other forums? If I were the TD and made such a bogus statement, I would apologize for the next year.
The magazine is definitely a wealth of good information from first scan, however I haven't read it all yet. Yet when you read the Tech Director's article, go left to the facing page178 and read the Dist. XI DVP's article. Best DVP Report in many years. It's about time a DVP said something important.
08-13-2008 | 07:37 PM
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RE: August MA
ORIGINAL: STLPilot
Hey Hoss if that VP thing doesn't work out, how about running the MA editing committee. Not joking ... while I don't feel you should have an executive position with the AMA, an editor/critic would gig be right up your alley.
Hey Hoss if that VP thing doesn't work out, how about running the MA editing committee. Not joking ... while I don't feel you should have an executive position with the AMA, an editor/critic would gig be right up your alley.
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08-13-2008 | 09:17 PM
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RE: August MA
From the June MA thread
"I took mine out of the mailbox, walked to the garage, and deposited it in the trash can. The landfill is grateful for another piece of junk mail. I couldn't begin to tell you what was on the cover, much less what was inside. One by one, I'm dropping my subscriptions to the magazines that are heavily into both ARF and Electric. That leaves me with only a couple of options, both European. So you guys are right. I can't buy USA any more. I'm down to 2 vehicles. One from the USA, and one from Sweeden. No Pacific rim junk in my garage."
Bill, AMA 4720
And you do not read it. So no benefit for you.
"I took mine out of the mailbox, walked to the garage, and deposited it in the trash can. The landfill is grateful for another piece of junk mail. I couldn't begin to tell you what was on the cover, much less what was inside. One by one, I'm dropping my subscriptions to the magazines that are heavily into both ARF and Electric. That leaves me with only a couple of options, both European. So you guys are right. I can't buy USA any more. I'm down to 2 vehicles. One from the USA, and one from Sweeden. No Pacific rim junk in my garage."
Bill, AMA 4720
And you do not read it. So no benefit for you.
08-14-2008 | 04:58 AM
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ORIGINAL: Kemosobie
From the June MA thread
"I took mine out of the mailbox, walked to the garage, and deposited it in the trash can. The landfill is grateful for another piece of junk mail. I couldn't begin to tell you what was on the cover, much less what was inside. One by one, I'm dropping my subscriptions to the magazines that are heavily into both ARF and Electric. That leaves me with only a couple of options, both European. So you guys are right. I can't buy USA any more. I'm down to 2 vehicles. One from the USA, and one from Sweeden. No Pacific rim junk in my garage."
Bill, AMA 4720
And you do not read it. So no benefit for you.
From the June MA thread
"I took mine out of the mailbox, walked to the garage, and deposited it in the trash can. The landfill is grateful for another piece of junk mail. I couldn't begin to tell you what was on the cover, much less what was inside. One by one, I'm dropping my subscriptions to the magazines that are heavily into both ARF and Electric. That leaves me with only a couple of options, both European. So you guys are right. I can't buy USA any more. I'm down to 2 vehicles. One from the USA, and one from Sweeden. No Pacific rim junk in my garage."
Bill, AMA 4720
And you do not read it. So no benefit for you.
Bill, AMA 4720
08-14-2008 | 09:29 AM
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RE: August MA
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
And since you don't receive MA as part of your membership, that would benefit you, how?
Bill, AMA 4720
And since you don't receive MA as part of your membership, that would benefit you, how?
Bill, AMA 4720
ORIGINAL: Kemosobie
From the June MA thread
"I took mine out of the mailbox, walked to the garage, and deposited it in the trash can. The landfill is grateful for another piece of junk mail. I couldn't begin to tell you what was on the cover, much less what was inside. One by one, I'm dropping my subscriptions to the magazines that are heavily into both ARF and Electric. That leaves me with only a couple of options, both European. So you guys are right. I can't buy USA any more. I'm down to 2 vehicles. One from the USA, and one from Sweeden. No Pacific rim junk in my garage."
Bill, AMA 4720
And you do not read it. So no benefit for you.
From the June MA thread
"I took mine out of the mailbox, walked to the garage, and deposited it in the trash can. The landfill is grateful for another piece of junk mail. I couldn't begin to tell you what was on the cover, much less what was inside. One by one, I'm dropping my subscriptions to the magazines that are heavily into both ARF and Electric. That leaves me with only a couple of options, both European. So you guys are right. I can't buy USA any more. I'm down to 2 vehicles. One from the USA, and one from Sweeden. No Pacific rim junk in my garage."
Bill, AMA 4720
And you do not read it. So no benefit for you.
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
I don't need any recreational arguments from a newbie who won't identify himself.
Bill, AMA 4720
I don't need any recreational arguments from a newbie who won't identify himself.
Bill, AMA 4720
I can't find the AMA Forum credibility rule section where the minimum post count is listed. What is the number? Maybe I haven't reached the minimum yet and dont have a viable opinion either. As far as name and city are concerned, some folks would rather not list personal information on public web sites for a miriad of reasons. It doesn't neccessarily mean they have nefarious intentions.
08-14-2008 | 01:36 PM
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RE: August MA
Stick
Perhaps STL is one of the PPP that, when posed with the PPP options,
he opted to get MA for +$26.
His option, In or Out, who knows which he chose.
. . .
Positive trend in MA?
How could that be if MA should never change?
You guys do remember the past years of me saying MA could be improved? And the plethera of folks opposing me, that MA couldnt be improved... and yet here we are, with recent MA's better than prior ones.
Is MA better?
Better than what, better than the magazine that couldnt be improved?
One could go back and count the folks that dont want MA to change or even allow folks to suggest change,
quite adamently I might add,
yet like the changes in MA.
Sometimes change is good, you cant improve without change,
but you guys knew that,
I've been saying it for years, with your feverent opposition to the concept that MA could be bettered in any way
But we all get what we want at least a little:
You get an improved (changed) MA
I get no MA
.... so it is a win-win
Perhaps STL is one of the PPP that, when posed with the PPP options,
he opted to get MA for +$26.
His option, In or Out, who knows which he chose.
. . .
Positive trend in MA?
How could that be if MA should never change?
You guys do remember the past years of me saying MA could be improved? And the plethera of folks opposing me, that MA couldnt be improved... and yet here we are, with recent MA's better than prior ones.
Is MA better?
Better than what, better than the magazine that couldnt be improved?
One could go back and count the folks that dont want MA to change or even allow folks to suggest change,
quite adamently I might add,
yet like the changes in MA.
Sometimes change is good, you cant improve without change,
but you guys knew that,
I've been saying it for years, with your feverent opposition to the concept that MA could be bettered in any way
But we all get what we want at least a little:
You get an improved (changed) MA
I get no MA
.... so it is a win-win
08-14-2008 | 06:57 PM
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RE: August MA
To be fair to the magazine, there is only so much fresh, interesting, original material to go around. There aren't many true modelers left to keep pumping the magazines full of interesting material. Without the abundance of rich material, MA can't be expected to churn out a gem every month.
08-14-2008 | 07:55 PM
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RE: August MA
ORIGINAL: Robotech
I can't find the AMA Forum credibility rule section where the minimum post count is listed.
I can't find the AMA Forum credibility rule section where the minimum post count is listed.
Perhaps you should look for the rule section about posting on-topic, instead. I have no interest in a "bash Stickbuilder" discussion, but I got misled by the thread title.
Abel
08-15-2008 | 05:02 AM
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RE: August MA
ORIGINAL: abel_pranger
Perhaps you should look for the rule section about posting on-topic, instead. I have no interest in a "bash Stickbuilder" discussion, but I got misled by the thread title.
Abel
ORIGINAL: Robotech
I can't find the AMA Forum credibility rule section where the minimum post count is listed.
I can't find the AMA Forum credibility rule section where the minimum post count is listed.
Perhaps you should look for the rule section about posting on-topic, instead. I have no interest in a "bash Stickbuilder" discussion, but I got misled by the thread title.
Abel
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08-15-2008 | 07:31 AM
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RE: August MA
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
I sent Robotech a pm to see if we could resolve things, but as with the one that I sent to kemosabe earlier, it was ignored as well. Seems as though these two have no interest in resolving disputes, but would rather stir the crap bucket.
Bill, AMA 4720
I sent Robotech a pm to see if we could resolve things, but as with the one that I sent to kemosabe earlier, it was ignored as well. Seems as though these two have no interest in resolving disputes, but would rather stir the crap bucket.
Bill, AMA 4720
Some days you'll praise the AMA and on most days they'll get as much respect as you would a cockroach. Maybe you just shouldn't say everything you think online. Because I know 75% of the things you say on the web, you wouldn't say in front of someone. Many others are the same way, including Hoss, which is why he most likely will never be DVP or whatever he's running for. It's ok to be a critic, but to throw your mag in the trash because of a photo on a cover .... well is that the AMA's issue or your own?
And in regards to the constant insults to the PPP and most especially because PPP's can't vote. Well Bill there is a reason why the AMA uses "survey monkey" and not ballot box to cast your vote in regards to AMA agenda items, I guess you can say it's pun intended. You vote once every couple years and in most cases for an incumbent, that now supports PPP's more than open members, big woop.
But come on Bill, would you insult the PPP's in person like you do on the web? Whose got the real issues ... you ... someone wanting to fly their plane insured ... or the AMA. Take a wild guess. Enough is enough.
Back on subject. August was a great issue.
08-15-2008 | 12:15 PM
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RE: August MA
Lets review:
folks say MA has gotten even better recently,
however AMA cant be improved ever and no suggestions will be tolerated
..... and MA is again unimprovable as well, so no suggestions on that will be tolerated either
Unless Stick is MA incarnate,
we should be talking about the magazine, not Stick
folks say MA has gotten even better recently,
however AMA cant be improved ever and no suggestions will be tolerated
..... and MA is again unimprovable as well, so no suggestions on that will be tolerated either
Unless Stick is MA incarnate,
we should be talking about the magazine, not Stick
08-15-2008 | 02:45 PM
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RE: August MA
ORIGINAL: abel_pranger
Perhaps you should look for the rule section about posting on-topic, instead. I have no interest in a "bash Stickbuilder" discussion, but I got misled by the thread title.
Abel
Perhaps you should look for the rule section about posting on-topic, instead. I have no interest in a "bash Stickbuilder" discussion, but I got misled by the thread title.
Abel
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
And since you don't receive MA as part of your membership, that would benefit you, how?
Bill, AMA 4720
And since you don't receive MA as part of your membership, that would benefit you, how?
Bill, AMA 4720
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
I sent Robotech a pm to see if we could resolve things, but as with the one that I sent to kemosabe earlier, it was ignored as well. Seems as though these two have no interest in resolving disputes, but would rather stir the crap bucket.
Bill, AMA 4720
I sent Robotech a pm to see if we could resolve things, but as with the one that I sent to kemosabe earlier, it was ignored as well. Seems as though these two have no interest in resolving disputes, but would rather stir the crap bucket.
Bill, AMA 4720
"stirring the crap bucket." Nice. In your infinite wisdom and unquestionable knowledge do you know that Kemosabie, being a newbie, even knows what a PM is? And if he did not reply, so what. Maybe he doesn't care to correspond with you. Whichever, it certainly doesn't make either one of us a "crap stirrer" or what ever you call your arrogant viewpoint.
At least KE kept it kind of on topic:
ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
Positive trend in MA?
How could that be if MA should never change?
You guys do remember the past years of me saying MA could be improved? And the plethera of folks opposing me, that MA couldnt be improved... and yet here we are, with recent MA's better than prior ones.
Is MA better?
Better than what, better than the magazine that couldnt be improved?
One could go back and count the folks that dont want MA to change or even allow folks to suggest change,
quite adamently I might add,
yet like the changes in MA.
Positive trend in MA?
How could that be if MA should never change?
You guys do remember the past years of me saying MA could be improved? And the plethera of folks opposing me, that MA couldnt be improved... and yet here we are, with recent MA's better than prior ones.
Is MA better?
Better than what, better than the magazine that couldnt be improved?
One could go back and count the folks that dont want MA to change or even allow folks to suggest change,
quite adamently I might add,
yet like the changes in MA.
MA has improved indeed, and barring the technical errors by the TD, which by-the-da@# way I noticed too Hoss, the August MA was the best I've ever read. Maybe the reason was this:
ORIGINAL: Cocobear
I very much agree that MA is trending in a very positive direction. I personally attribute this to their current editor michael Ramsey. He kept Flying Models a well rounded entertaining magazine for years and he appears to be moving MA into that same realm. I would not look at that magazine for years (with the exception of the two scale columns), but have recently found myself reading most of the magazine. Kudos to Michael!
I very much agree that MA is trending in a very positive direction. I personally attribute this to their current editor michael Ramsey. He kept Flying Models a well rounded entertaining magazine for years and he appears to be moving MA into that same realm. I would not look at that magazine for years (with the exception of the two scale columns), but have recently found myself reading most of the magazine. Kudos to Michael!
Oh,
Good take and good analogy STL.
08-15-2008 | 06:09 PM
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RE: August MA
ORIGINAL: Robotech
On topic but, alas, wrong never the less. I for the life of me cannot remember anyone saying MA, or the AMA for that matter, couldn't be improved. Some may confuse wild, unrealistic, demeaning and destructive comments as a method of improvement but no one has said it couldn't be improved. Maybe some could save their self congratulations for another time.
Robo,
Show me one single topic or thread where change to the AMA is suggested [by alledged "AMA-bashers"] and not met with the usual response of "AMA BASHER".
If you are able to find one post or thread that doesn't have this outcome, then find 9 more and your quote here will have some credibility and won't look so much like BS.
There have been thousands of posts made over the years here, so your job to back up your quote should be a walk in the park [if you're right].
Happy Hunting.
On topic but, alas, wrong never the less. I for the life of me cannot remember anyone saying MA, or the AMA for that matter, couldn't be improved. Some may confuse wild, unrealistic, demeaning and destructive comments as a method of improvement but no one has said it couldn't be improved. Maybe some could save their self congratulations for another time.
Robo,
Show me one single topic or thread where change to the AMA is suggested [by alledged "AMA-bashers"] and not met with the usual response of "AMA BASHER".
If you are able to find one post or thread that doesn't have this outcome, then find 9 more and your quote here will have some credibility and won't look so much like BS.
There have been thousands of posts made over the years here, so your job to back up your quote should be a walk in the park [if you're right].
Happy Hunting.
08-15-2008 | 06:14 PM
#50
RE: August MA
ORIGINAL: STLPilot
I'll explain why. Bill, how do you feel the Swedes felt when that wrestler threw his medal to the ground? Well now they are labeling him as a 2 year old in the press. Well the AMA is an organization of modelers. Personally I believe most join just for the social aspect. Of course others think they must join because it's a law. But we all know you could certainly go borrow a friends field, or a schoolyard and go fly yourself, but let's be real, people like to be around others and fly, as a group. Well you saynig you threw your magazine in the trash after viewing the cover is no different then the wrestler did to the Swedes, it's an insult.
Some days you'll praise the AMA and on most days they'll get as much respect as you would a cockroach. Maybe you just shouldn't say everything you think online. Because I know 75% of the things you say on the web, you wouldn't say in front of someone. Many others are the same way, including Hoss, which is why he most likely will never be DVP or whatever he's running for. It's ok to be a critic, but to throw your mag in the trash because of a photo on a cover .... well is that the AMA's issue or your own?
And in regards to the constant insults to the PPP and most especially because PPP's can't vote. Well Bill there is a reason why the AMA uses "survey monkey" and not ballot box to cast your vote in regards to AMA agenda items, I guess you can say it's pun intended. You vote once every couple years and in most cases for an incumbent, that now supports PPP's more than open members, big woop.
But come on Bill, would you insult the PPP's in person like you do on the web? Whose got the real issues ... you ... someone wanting to fly their plane insured ... or the AMA. Take a wild guess. Enough is enough.
Back on subject. August was a great issue.
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
I sent Robotech a pm to see if we could resolve things, but as with the one that I sent to kemosabe earlier, it was ignored as well. Seems as though these two have no interest in resolving disputes, but would rather stir the crap bucket.
Bill, AMA 4720
I sent Robotech a pm to see if we could resolve things, but as with the one that I sent to kemosabe earlier, it was ignored as well. Seems as though these two have no interest in resolving disputes, but would rather stir the crap bucket.
Bill, AMA 4720
Some days you'll praise the AMA and on most days they'll get as much respect as you would a cockroach. Maybe you just shouldn't say everything you think online. Because I know 75% of the things you say on the web, you wouldn't say in front of someone. Many others are the same way, including Hoss, which is why he most likely will never be DVP or whatever he's running for. It's ok to be a critic, but to throw your mag in the trash because of a photo on a cover .... well is that the AMA's issue or your own?
And in regards to the constant insults to the PPP and most especially because PPP's can't vote. Well Bill there is a reason why the AMA uses "survey monkey" and not ballot box to cast your vote in regards to AMA agenda items, I guess you can say it's pun intended. You vote once every couple years and in most cases for an incumbent, that now supports PPP's more than open members, big woop.
But come on Bill, would you insult the PPP's in person like you do on the web? Whose got the real issues ... you ... someone wanting to fly their plane insured ... or the AMA. Take a wild guess. Enough is enough.
Back on subject. August was a great issue.
Bill, AMA 4720
