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Park Pilot Program– Effect on clubs
01-31-2009, 06:41 AM
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RE: Park Pilot Program– Effect on clubs
ORIGINAL: Muroc1
Wow, you guys hate the PPP that badly? They are fellow aeromodelers you know.
At least they are taking some action and doing something.
Frank
Wow, you guys hate the PPP that badly? They are fellow aeromodelers you know.
At least they are taking some action and doing something.
Frank
We just love giving back the Love that we get from them. It's called *** for Tat, or something like that. Hey! they are all hanging out over at the second rate website (kinda fitting isn't it....Second rate members at a second rate site?) You'd probably be happier over there too. You guys could spend all your time talking about how you are taking over the hobby with both of your flying fields.
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01-31-2009, 08:01 AM
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RE: Park Pilot Program– Effect on clubs
ORIGINAL: Muroc1
Why do you let it bother you so much? If you don't like posting there, don't sweat it.
Frank
Why do you let it bother you so much? If you don't like posting there, don't sweat it.
Frank
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01-31-2009, 08:09 AM
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RE: Park Pilot Program– Effect on clubs
ORIGINAL: combatpigg
....such a rebel, must listen to nothing but Freedom Rock and watch all the old Billy Jack movies. 
ORIGINAL: 804
I hope it does too. If so, I'm gonna get in the group pic with my 2lb, 4 oz., 65 mph Yak just to give these guys more to whine about.
I hope it does too. If so, I'm gonna get in the group pic with my 2lb, 4 oz., 65 mph Yak just to give these guys more to whine about.
01-31-2009, 08:20 AM
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RE: Park Pilot Program– Effect on clubs
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
"It", does not bother me. On the other hand, you do bother me with all your missing and poaning about PPP not being able to fly at existing club fields. Depending on the By-Laws of the clubs in question, you either can, or cannot use the club facilities. Get over it.
Bill, AMA 4720
ORIGINAL: Muroc1
Why do you let it bother you so much? If you don't like posting there, don't sweat it.
Frank
Why do you let it bother you so much? If you don't like posting there, don't sweat it.
Frank
Bill, AMA 4720
Bill,
What are you talking about? Please show me where I was whinning about that. You must have me confused with someone else.
Frank
01-31-2009, 09:45 AM
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RE: Park Pilot Program– Effect on clubs
Back to topic...
Here's what I think should be done with PPP.
Get rid of the tiered deal. Same price, same insurance, same voting, maybe option on MA/ParkPilot mags.
Get rid of the $19.95/3 mo. intro, replace with $29.95 12 mo. intro.
Get rid of the 2 lb./60 mph classification.
Focus ParkPilot program on helping interested members set up appropriate use fields in urban/suburban areas, instead of enticing "new membership" thru gimmickry.
Here's what I think should be done with PPP.
Get rid of the tiered deal. Same price, same insurance, same voting, maybe option on MA/ParkPilot mags.
Get rid of the $19.95/3 mo. intro, replace with $29.95 12 mo. intro.
Get rid of the 2 lb./60 mph classification.
Focus ParkPilot program on helping interested members set up appropriate use fields in urban/suburban areas, instead of enticing "new membership" thru gimmickry.
01-31-2009, 10:04 AM
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RE: Park Pilot Program– Effect on clubs
You are correct Frank. The only (recent) whining has been from a vehement PPP hater. Most if not all of the PPP proponents that have posted here support the AMA's policy of letting the chartered clubs determine the makeup of their membership. Stick's club is certainly within their rights to refuse anyone they choose.
Going back to the OP's question on the PPP's effect on clubs, the overwhelming consensus ( based on posts in this thread ) is it has very little or no effect on clubs. They (the clubs) have either voted to accept them or to not accept them. No big deal either way. Some clubs, due to landowner restrictions, cannot accept them. Still no big deal. No one has lost out either way. If the club accepts them then they get to join with a $29 discount on the AMA end of their hobby expenses. If not then they will need to spend exactly the same amount they would have had to spend a year ago.
804's idea for a replacement enticement program is a good one. Given the PPP's stated goal of opening flying sites in urban areas not suitable for general modeling could have been accomplished within the established flying site assistance program already in place. Maybe employing a specialist to deal strictly with PPP specific sites.
Going back to the OP's question on the PPP's effect on clubs, the overwhelming consensus ( based on posts in this thread ) is it has very little or no effect on clubs. They (the clubs) have either voted to accept them or to not accept them. No big deal either way. Some clubs, due to landowner restrictions, cannot accept them. Still no big deal. No one has lost out either way. If the club accepts them then they get to join with a $29 discount on the AMA end of their hobby expenses. If not then they will need to spend exactly the same amount they would have had to spend a year ago.
804's idea for a replacement enticement program is a good one. Given the PPP's stated goal of opening flying sites in urban areas not suitable for general modeling could have been accomplished within the established flying site assistance program already in place. Maybe employing a specialist to deal strictly with PPP specific sites.
01-31-2009, 10:07 AM
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RE: Park Pilot Program– Effect on clubs
ORIGINAL: 804
Back to topic...
Here's what I think should be done with PPP.
Get rid of the tiered deal. Same price, same insurance, same voting, maybe option on MA/ParkPilot mags.
Get rid of the $19.95/3 mo. intro, replace with $29.95 12 mo. intro.
Get rid of the 2 lb./60 mph classification.
Focus ParkPilot program on helping interested members set up appropriate use fields in urban/suburban areas, instead of enticing "new membership" thru gimmickry.
Back to topic...
Here's what I think should be done with PPP.
Get rid of the tiered deal. Same price, same insurance, same voting, maybe option on MA/ParkPilot mags.
Get rid of the $19.95/3 mo. intro, replace with $29.95 12 mo. intro.
Get rid of the 2 lb./60 mph classification.
Focus ParkPilot program on helping interested members set up appropriate use fields in urban/suburban areas, instead of enticing "new membership" thru gimmickry.
Pull the plug on PPP and go from there. Give better intro...great....give choice on mags...great...Having "little Generals" in the parks kicking out everyday parkies...bad. Seen that crap before...not nice...not by any stretch of the imagination...to set up a system that breeds that type of scenario needs to be extinguished ASAP for the benefit of us all...
01-31-2009, 10:47 AM
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RE: Park Pilot Program– Effect on clubs
Frank
I dont post there
I dont sweat it.
Yet folks accuse me here of being someone that does post there.
Its just that we get folks like poor Warningshot left in the dark with half stories from there posted here.
. . .
"maybe option on MA/ParkPilot mags".
$58 Full AMA member with MA
$32 Full AMA member with PPM
Nobody in Tiers, so nobody in Tears
Why do you let it bother you so much? If you don't like posting there, don't sweat it.
I dont sweat it.
Yet folks accuse me here of being someone that does post there.
Its just that we get folks like poor Warningshot left in the dark with half stories from there posted here.
. . .
Back to topic...
Here's what I think should be done with PPP.
Get rid of the tiered deal. Same price, same insurance, same voting, maybe option on MA/ParkPilot mags.
Get rid of the $19.95/3 mo. intro, replace with $29.95 12 mo. intro.
Get rid of the 2 lb./60 mph classification.
Focus ParkPilot program on helping interested members set up appropriate use fields in urban/suburban areas, instead of enticing "new membership" thru gimmickry
Here's what I think should be done with PPP.
Get rid of the tiered deal. Same price, same insurance, same voting, maybe option on MA/ParkPilot mags.
Get rid of the $19.95/3 mo. intro, replace with $29.95 12 mo. intro.
Get rid of the 2 lb./60 mph classification.
Focus ParkPilot program on helping interested members set up appropriate use fields in urban/suburban areas, instead of enticing "new membership" thru gimmickry
$58 Full AMA member with MA
$32 Full AMA member with PPM
Nobody in Tiers, so nobody in Tears
01-31-2009, 11:26 AM
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RE: Park Pilot Program– Effect on clubs
ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf
much better than what we have now... especially the 29.95/year intro part and the no classification theory....but not much different than what we had before PPP.
Pull the plug on PPP and go from there. Give better intro...great....give choice on mags...great...Having "little Generals" in the parks kicking out everyday parkies...bad. Seen that crap before...not nice...not by any stretch of the imagination...to set up a system that breeds that type of scenario needs to be extinguished ASAP for the benefit of us all...
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Back to topic...
Here's what I think should be done with PPP.
Get rid of the tiered deal. Same price, same insurance, same voting, maybe option on MA/ParkPilot mags.
Get rid of the $19.95/3 mo. intro, replace with $29.95 12 mo. intro.
Get rid of the 2 lb./60 mph classification.
Focus ParkPilot program on helping interested members set up appropriate use fields in urban/suburban areas, instead of enticing "new membership" thru gimmickry.
Back to topic...
Here's what I think should be done with PPP.
Get rid of the tiered deal. Same price, same insurance, same voting, maybe option on MA/ParkPilot mags.
Get rid of the $19.95/3 mo. intro, replace with $29.95 12 mo. intro.
Get rid of the 2 lb./60 mph classification.
Focus ParkPilot program on helping interested members set up appropriate use fields in urban/suburban areas, instead of enticing "new membership" thru gimmickry.
Pull the plug on PPP and go from there. Give better intro...great....give choice on mags...great...Having "little Generals" in the parks kicking out everyday parkies...bad. Seen that crap before...not nice...not by any stretch of the imagination...to set up a system that breeds that type of scenario needs to be extinguished ASAP for the benefit of us all...
However it can be set up: a few hours a week, a few days a week, shared use, it could work. I ride mountain bike and dirtbike trails shared with hikers and horsemen, works fine, mostly.
"Little Generals" can be dealt with.
I personally don't care if it is AMA or not, I just think their organization can be a help.
01-31-2009, 01:10 PM
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RE: Park Pilot Program– Effect on clubs
ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
"maybe option on MA/ParkPilot mags".
$58 Full AMA member with MA
$32 Full AMA member with PPM
Nobody in Tiers, so nobody in Tears
"maybe option on MA/ParkPilot mags".
$58 Full AMA member with MA
$32 Full AMA member with PPM
Nobody in Tiers, so nobody in Tears
No way. All for one, one for all remember?
Enhance/enlarge the parkie/sparky section of MA and everybody gets it.
01-31-2009, 02:06 PM
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RE: Park Pilot Program– Effect on clubs
ORIGINAL: Robotech
Oh, now I see. You're OK with dividing up the membership as long as it's divided the way you like. OK. Now that's clear.
No way. All for one, one for all remember?
Enhance/enlarge the parkie/sparky section of MA and everybody gets it.
ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
"maybe option on MA/ParkPilot mags".
$58 Full AMA member with MA
$32 Full AMA member with PPM
Nobody in Tiers, so nobody in Tears
"maybe option on MA/ParkPilot mags".
$58 Full AMA member with MA
$32 Full AMA member with PPM
Nobody in Tiers, so nobody in Tears
No way. All for one, one for all remember?
Enhance/enlarge the parkie/sparky section of MA and everybody gets it.
Bill, AMA 4720
01-31-2009, 02:59 PM
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RE: Park Pilot Program– Effect on clubs
Oh, now I see. You're OK with dividing up the membership as long as it's divided the way you like. OK. Now that's clear.
Everyone in the Only Tier
$58 Open with MA
$32 Open with PPM
no other tiers, no different cards, no different clubs, no different rules
its a $10 PPMag or a $36 MA
<exactly the choice given to PPP, and I hear AMA folks like / dont mind the PF guys having a $26 magazine choice>
(I'm willing to let Yute/Family/Senior stay for the sake of this discussion)
02-23-2009, 02:47 PM
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RE: Park Pilot Program– Effect on clubs
I'm looking at the thread title,
and wonder what effect the PPP had on clubs in regard to
# of 08 PPP that upgraded into 09 Open.... a recruitment tool for AMA clubs
Its late Feb 09,
when will we hear bout how many new AMA members PPP brought in?
We got figures for January'08 PPP broke down by where they came from (new/dropdowns)
so we should get those numbers for Jan'09 for Quits/Upgrades
and wonder what effect the PPP had on clubs in regard to
# of 08 PPP that upgraded into 09 Open.... a recruitment tool for AMA clubs
Its late Feb 09,
when will we hear bout how many new AMA members PPP brought in?
We got figures for January'08 PPP broke down by where they came from (new/dropdowns)
so we should get those numbers for Jan'09 for Quits/Upgrades
