First off, I didn't say that twice, I said it 1455 times (as of this post). You're reading my signature. The "Content" part is the paragraphs ABOVE the signature part. That's where I already answered every question you asked me here.

Second, don't get me started about the military keeping me safe. The military is using our kids for bullet-stoppers without a real plan. You can save that flag-waving crap for somebody stupid enough to believe it. UAV's keep Americans safe. When Americans are stopping bullets, Americans are not safe. I'll cut it off there because that's a WHOLE other thread. Keep it AMA in here.

No argument, that's why I pay my 58 bucks a year. Carefree flying.

AMA paid for a windshield many (many) years ago, I saw it. Today....couldn't care less. I get the insurance in case there's a BIG liability issue. Say somebody HELPS me by sticking their fingers into my prop and comes out counting to seven using both hands.

No, and if I crash my dirtbike or my motorcycle off-road my insurance company doesn't pay for that either. I just HATE that. It makes sense, but THAT's no excuse. I also thought they shoulda paid when I tried to drive my car across that LAKE too!

All of whatever it is you're saying above doesn't really add up to anything. All I hear coming through as you drone on and on is "I'm young and I don't really LIKE insurance, I could be buying DRINKS and LAP DANCES and stuff with that money, and I have no appreciation for protecting myself and my family and my home and my future..." You want to argue that insurance isn't that important.

Hmmmm. can't really say anything else about that, as I'll get deleted for SURE..... Suffice it to say I have no appreciation for your "perspective", as I will generously refer to it as.

You'll probably never get it, since I already explained it once (X 100!), so I'm gonna encourage you to go pay your twenty bucks or whatever and be happy and carefree, and then I won't have to have YOU flying at my field. We'll BOTH be REALLY happy.

Attitude means nothing, life isn't what you see on TV. Get off your duff and do some research. AMA can give you everything you need to learn what they are doing. Do what I did, spend a night with your regional VP asking questions and getting answers and seeing documents.. I changed my signature to say what it says because it's the truth. You doubting it doesn't change that and never will. Your questions are all pissy, you haven't done any reading or research, you've got an attitude but you want NICE answers.

I'm sure you do. Well, I WANT to deal with well-read, educated people who could last ten seconds in a REAL debate and present a perspective, an argument, a position.

So don't feel bad because we BOTH ain't gettin' any of what we want in here. I wouldn't FEEL so bad if I just felt that a single argument here was well-presented, justified, not just a bunch of 'I-think"s thrown out there with no thread of logic supporting it from anywhere. Just "I don't HAVE to like the AMA or paying 58 bucks and THAT is my whole argument......Now tell me why I haveta pay it and don't give me any of that 'responsibility' or 'liability' talk..."

I have to laugh. Insurance is there only for one reason.....self-protection from liability. The reason you buy it is Responsibility. The reason you can drive your card on the road is because you have your little AMA card from State Farm or Geiko. You get caught without it and you pay a BIG FINE. You're not even allowed back on the field for a good while (the long black Tar field with stripes down the middle).

AMA is the reason so many fields exist today in the USA. AMA was behind it from day one. These safety rules insure that we'll be able to fly, as does the little "State Farm" AMA card we carry to the field, the card that says to the towns, the landowners; "We are insuring you and protecting your interests..we thank you for allowing us to have this field for our hobby." "Our AMA rules are keeping out the unsavory characters who do not respect rules, who would defile your land, create a liability for you and others, or force you to protect yourself and take back the field from us..." "AMA makes the promise to you that this will not happen."

And YOU, my friend do not get it. Not even a little bit. "Insurance is for OTHER people....I'll fly by myself."

GOOD IDEA.

Jimbo

****SIGH**** Wish I had written that instead of that novel I posted last time.


Thanks, Woody

Jimbo

I've said before, Kid Epoxy, you need to attend the meetings when the District VP brings the papers and shows us where things are and talks about where things are going. I am accurate here.

ANY negotiation where things are hammered out ALWAYS have parts that each side wants to be different. That's a GIVEN, but it does not change what I said.

The new rules for 2010 were brought and shown to us. They are the result of the 8 months at the tables with the FAA. That absolutely HAS HAPPENED. With few changes, those will be what comes out. MUNCIE (You can call them the AMA, I know how it pains you) has gone through an incredible amount of meetings and negotiations and talks and submissions and resubmissions to change the rules, stay on the good side of the FAA and Homeland security, and protect our flying hobby.

To make it quite clear, the Regs the Feds would paint for us would not be to ANY of our liking had they not been challenged by "MUNCIE". And as I've said before, after dealing with these guys who don't LIKE the AMA I don't think the AMA should have done so but they fought for the rights of NON-AMA RC flyers as well. I really hate that they did that. Let them deal with the Feds on their own and see just how much THEY can change things.

I think I need to say to YOU....stop painting AMA as an organization who doesn't step up and stand up for us out there. They do it every day in many ways. Better versed....Stop trying to act like an expert when you didn't even attend the recent meeting about the 2010 rules.

Jimbo

I think this is what iritates so many people.

Join and keep your mouth shut or not join, but basically find a new hobby because your not flying at our field or anywhere else, and still keep your mouth shut about it.

I was actually considering renewing, but after reading some of the comments here have given me second thoughts. I see the metality hasn't changed in 10+ years. I have no reason to expect it will any time soon.

The GP doesn't complain because they are largely clueless about it.

The AMA way or figure it out on your own is a bad attitude. No wonder membership is dropping. If the AMA is truely for the preservation of the hobby that should extend to all pilots not just members. Otherwise y'all come off as a bunch of power mongering elitist, which is what I raised issue with in the first place.

Maybe actually trying to resolve the issue by working together, rather than the "my way or the highway attitude" will make more people happy and support the AMA.

Yes and I agree that all AMA memebers and clubs are the image of the AMA as a whole and you cannot seperate them out.

The question still remains. What has the AMA done for me today? I don't know, and I really don't care. Sure, they've done lots of things in the past to keep us where we are today. But, (and this is a big But) if the FAA or Federal Government decide to step in and regulate our hobby, if not totally do away with it, there's not a damn thing the AMA will be able to do about it. So, what I'm saying is this....1) they give you a mag with your membership. 2) you get insurance with your membership a) it is a supplemental/secondary insurance if you are a homeowner b) it is a primary insurance if you are not a homeowner. 3) they'll list your event in the back of their mag if you are a chartered club, but will not if you're not a chartered club. 4) they do give out scholarships, although I've never known anyone who got one. 5) I've heard they help develop flying sites, although I've not had any personal experience with this or known of anyone who has. 6) I'm going to stop here. I'm sure I could go on and on about what the AMA does for people and clubs, but not necassarily for you. A guy like you simply has nothing to do accept come on forums like this one and stir the crap. Yes, you achieve your goal of pissing people off and getting people flustered. So, you win. You got what you wanted.

Now I'm gonna give you my story, for what it's worth. I used to be a member of a local chartered club. I was VP and President on different occasions. So, yes, I was a person who tried to uphold the rules and regs of the AMA. Well, I got tired of it. There were too many rules for me. I gladly gave up my position. I was glad to get back to being just a member. Like all so-called clubs, there was politics. There was bickering. There were ones who always got stuff done, or made sure things got done, and then there were the ones who did nothing but piss and moan about what got done. What has this got to do with the AMA? It is the AMA. The AMA makes a club what it is, that is if it is a "true" AMA chartered club. You know, those that have all of the rules posted up and love to point the broken rules out to you when you break even the smallest one. Those that have the so-called safety officers running around telling you what you can and can't do, pissing people off to the extent of them packing up and going home. Yes, that is the AMA, like it or not. Does it offend me? Not at all. I understand that I've got to be a member to attend other flying sites and their events. No big deal to me. I'm a member. I don't mind it. Chump change for a membership to be able to enjoy others' company. I don't like flying alone. Here's my honest opinion, and remember it's my opinion and not meant to offend any diehard AMA members. I think the main purpose of the AMA "today" is the insurance. You've got to have it, like it or not. As for all the other things the AMA claims to do, or actually does, it's not even worth mentioning. To "some" it's important, but to "most", it means nothing. One thing to keep in mind, concerning the insurance. If you're not a homeowner, and you do count on the insurance as being your primary coverage, you better have things in order, meaning perfect. Everything the AMA tells you to go by in the "safety code" better be followed to a T, if not, nothing will get paid. For instance, they tell you that you must have your full name, address, phone number, and AMA number inside the fuselage of the airplane. Have and accident with this not being in your plane,.......no dice! Like any other insurance company, they'll hunt for reasons not to pay and if you've not got everything in perfect order during an accident, they won't pay. That goes for any insurance, and not just the AMA. I've never had this info inside my plane, and never will. I'm a homeowner. If I have a minor accident, meaning taking out a windshield, or another plane, or even a cow..... I'll try to pay for it out of pocket first, and if I can't afford it that way, I'll make a claim on my homeowners. It's that simple. Hopefully, I'll be able to pay for it out-of-pocket, but even more, I hope I never have to. My club, as of now, is not chartered. We've been that way for five years now. Never had a single gripe. We love it. We've stayed between 15 and 30 members this whole time now. We require AMA at our field. Yes, it's for liability purposes for each other and our landlord. Simple as that. Have we needed the personal help of the AMA? Nope. Will I ever need them. Yes. This next year we do plan on becoming chartered, and for one reason only....... for the publicity of our events. We've held events over the past several years and the turnouts have been satifactory. We've had some neighboring clubs not attend because we've not been chartered, but piss on 'em. We don't need them anyway. We'd rather those kind stay at the house. Anyway, what I'm getting at is that we've had a perfect set-up without the AMA being involved, other than for insurance purposes. Now, since we want to publicize our events, we have to be chartered. No biggy. We'll get chartered. Simple enough. What did the AMA do for me, or my club? Nothing. I did it/am doing it all myself.

Quit worrying about what the AMA can do for you and start taking care of things yourself.

Actually, the question is "what does it do for you?"

It provides me with insurance.

When I fly at the fields I am protected. (I'm a responsible adult and have plenty of other insurances as primaries. AMA insurance is perfect for me.)

AMA provides my field's Land owner with insurance and security that his land is secure and that he is not liable.

It provides my clubs with security, suggested club rules, programs to expand our fields, programs to expand our club member roster, programs to encourage new flyers, programs to pay for many, many RC and club growth aspects.

It negotiates with the government with clout that no club ever could, insuring my RC flying future will be the best it can be.

AMA provides me with a national center and flying field, a museum, and some of the most unique ties to the aviation community you can find anywhere.

And that's all just up until breakfast.

Jimbo

Base your decisions on how to spend your hard earned "fun money" on what you expect to receive in return. No one else is responsible for your happiness but you. Anyone who tries to shame or coerce you into the "My Way or the Highway" mentality is a fascist.

interesting choice of examples,
AMA insurance does not cover model on model action-
If an AMA guy $400LiPoARF accidentally hits a AMA guy $6000 Scalemaster or $15k GiantTwinTurbine at the club
AMA insurance dont pay nuthin.

Something to think about when the guys next to you start flying expensive planes,
are we counting on them to be good sports about losing their $5000 plane
and not want to get reimbursed by the guy that hit it?
"Do you have AMA? You do? Good, then its ok... I dont want the $5000 you owe me"

Was getting worried KID. Afraid someone puled the old plug on you. Was you talking about a mid air?

Yard-dart,

AMA isn't there to do all your club's work for them. They give you the tools, YOU do the work.

I'm gonna guess that's why you're not chartered yet. Probably not too much of that "volunteer" spirit there, eh? I'll bet THAT p[]sses you off. The truth tends to do that. But let's move quickly from me taking the time for my own fun and move into responses to your own ramblings.

AMA has clout, and there IS a damn thing they can do about it, and already have, and many more times than just once, believe me. The FAA works with the AMA and of all the organizations out there the FAA probably has a better relationship with the AMA than any other organization. Which is why I do not think that AMA should be using their clout to help out the other organizations.

You refer to the AMA insurance as secondary like that's a bad thing. There is no instance where they do not cover you when you REALLY need it. It's secondary when you have your own primary. So what? My DENTAL insurance does that too. In the end the whole bill gets paid. They give the clubs guidelines and rules. Follow them and YOU ARE COVERED. YOUR CLUB IS COVERED. YOUR SITE OWNER IS COVERED.

I'm not going to bother telling you about all the programs they have and all the sites they help develop. Do your own homework. I know of two sites personally.

Sorry you couldn't handle the rules and regs and the membership. Maybe it's best you stepped down. Once you're in a position where you have to do a thousandth of what AMA has to do every day it's too much for you. Your club was never chartered, that says something right there. Don't feel bad, clubs all over are feeling the "ME" generation coming into play.

So you don't like the rules and writing down your name and address inside of your plane is beyond the scope of your abilities, that makes AMA an IMPOSSIBLE company to deal with. That's like a car insurance company not paying when you didn't bother to have that silly piece of paper thing....that...driver's license.

See, flying just isn't that big a deal to you. You never really had anything invested in it. Money these days isn't what a serious hobbyist would call a real investment. Teach 31 guys to fly in two years and still have every one of them flying now, 13 years later. THAT, my friend is an investment. You don't WANT it to be anything but simple. Maybe this hobby isn't for you, have you given that any thought? I know quite a few people who probably would be better going to try something else.

I really do not think you know what some of us went through to get into this hobby, back before computers, back before gold stickers, back before most of these special tools you can buy now were even available. The VAST majority of us that HAVE gone through that to get here know exactly why the AMA exists, and what it has done for us.

By the way, AMA doesn't play the "My way or the Highway" card. They've worked very hard to create the AMA as it exists today and would not dream of it, they want you to belong because you wish to.

I, on the other hand, take great delight in knowing that there are those out there who are not smart enough to get their AMA, and I won't have to deal with them at the fields I fly at. And oh, sure, that makes me a fascist.. What a joke, CP.

Some of the other (louder) guys here say a lot but then they go get their AMA card and show up at the field after venting in here. I won't mention any nameskidepoxycombatpigg. I don't know. It's like, let's stir up some trouble that could cause some guy to miss out on the AMA events and fun, but then let's p[]ssy out and NOT do what we're talking about and let's get our AMA anyway.

Unlike them, I'm not hypocritical. AMA doesn't need little ol' me defending them. NO forum is gonna make a water drop in the ocean's worth of difference for the AMA, they are strong and they are growing.

But if YOU or ANOTHER reader maybe....just maybe....has some potential and a brain, maybe you'll join the AMA and I will have helped just one worthy person into a great hobby....the right way.

THAT would make this a good investment of my time.

Jimbo

Good point...Wonder why so many AMA devotes protest so much when that is pointed out as the primary reason for AMA???




Now you say you have plenty of primary insurances...kinda negates your first point...so I'll take that point away. Now you have zero.


Aren't you in the great state of Texas??? Well if so...Texas' Recreational Use Statute absolves property owners of liability for injuries to others using the property for recreation so long as the property owner does not engage in grossly negligent conduct or act with malicious intent or in bad faith...Hmmm… still a zero.



Most of that is just feel good stuff and has little to no effect you know...like PPP...Hmmm….now a negative.
Clout??? You’ve got to be kidding...so laughable hardly worth responding to. At twice the size AMA would be of little consequence...Get real!

No… that national site you talk about is more for the selected few to enjoy...Another drag item that has been a sore spot for many members...Again no point for you.

You can work on that till dinner. LOL

TSP, in a nutshell, "My Way or the Highway" is the definition of fascism.

Funny how that observation struck a nerve.

Texas Nut,

We all volunteer at our event's. Everything else we pay someone to do it for us.

So be it, then.

In no way, form, or fashion did I make AMA insurance, being secondary or primary, out to be a bad thing.

No need for homework. I care nothing about it. I started my own without their help. I'm happy they could help someone else.

It's not that I couldn't handle it, I simply didn't want to. I don't like a bunch of BS rules. Only two rules at our club....1) don't do anything stupid 2) refer to rule #1.

Never said I didn't like those rules, nor is it above my abilities to do so. I just don't do it. If I don't plan on dealing with the AMA, it shouldn't be that big of a deal to me, or you for that matter.

Now how in the hell do you know what's a big deal to me, and what isn't? I've been in the hobby only since 2001 and I've invested more money in it since then than you've probably got invested in it. So, don't let your mouth overload your ass. You're starting to get a little too personal.!

I really don't care. I know what I've got invested in it time and money wise, and that's all that should matter to me, and each individual. What you've gone through to get into this hobby has nothing to do with anyone else, nor does it matter.

I do have my AMA, and I have it because I choose to. NOBODY called you a facist, or is it that your alzheimers is acting up.

That's between you an them. Oh, by the way, I'm not venting. I'm simply telling you how we do it here. Not once did I direct any one subject or statement at any one person. You're obviously paranoid about something. Maybe you or your wife work for the AMA, or something like that. I've yet to figure your ass out.

Then stop defending them then. That's all you've done. If they're strong, and if they're growing, let's throw them a party!

OK, now I know you're a nut. You obviously didn't read that I am a member. I have been every year since 2000.

OK, to sum it up gramps.......not one time did I direct any statement at anyone in this thread. In fact, even if I would have I never said one offensive thing. You, out of the blue, come jump down my throat for no obvious reason. Why did you do that? Did your old lady piss you off this evening about something, and you just decided to take it out on me? Was this random? What did I say for you to respond like that? It's guys like you who make guys like me start outlaw clubs. You think that the sun rises and sets around the AMA. That's fine if you feel that way, but you don't have to force your beliefs upon guys like me. You're obviously an Obama supporter. I feel sorry for you.

I have mixed feelings about the AMA but mostly they are negitive. To me its like big government running wild. I mean you just do not get much for your $60 bucks. The magizine is terrible and I have no desire to be in any competition. I like to fly for fun only, competition takes the fun out of it to me. It also gets under my skin that they built that beautiful sight for the good folks there in Indiana, that might be great for them. For me it does nothing other than run the dues payments higher. Seems to me there would be cheaper ways of insuring the masses and still represent our hobby if needed. Why not just cover the flying fields for a base cost to everyone. Lose the mag, and get the cost down to about $25. All this being said im thankful to have this hobby to enjoy, maybe I owe that to the AMA, im not sure. If that truly is the case as some have said then $60 yearly is a cheap penality to pay for my life long hobby.

Not true. If you want to compete in an AMA sanctioned contest you have to belong. Otherwise, if the club is a public club on public property you DO NOT have to be a member of the AMA to fly.

.........then it's not an AMA club field that you are refering to, is it?

Your example is of a public field, which is not what I was talking about.

I would like to see you try to join our local AMA club that flies on private land without joining the AMA.

That would be a first.

My first statement did not contain the word "primary". I'm taking my point back.

My second statement says I'm responsible and protect my family and my future. I'm taking that point back as well.

I absolutely LOVE how you just skimmed over that part about "as long as he does not engage in grossly negligent conduct...." like that could never, ever happen, So, you're one of those "Well, that would probably never happen, so I don't really need insurance!" guys. I'm taking ten points from YOU for that lapse of reasonable thought and shirking responsibility. Furthermore, there are 49 other states, and I own land in several of them. Did you just forget about them? I'm taking 5 more points.

I think you need to self-insure and go elsewhere if you are willing to call all of the excellent AMA programs "feel-good stuff". Have you ever actually BEEN to a real museum, much less AMA's? Have you ever gone to MUNCIE and flown there?

WHY exactly are you in this hobby? Hobby = "Feel-good stuff" , last time I knew. That's why I've traveled there, that's why I've traveled to Dayton to see the big air museum, that's why I have whole list of other air museums and flight-related sites to visit.

The Muncie field is a Mecca for many RCers. Sorry if you and your friends didn't have the upbringing to appreciate something of that magnitude.

But I'll bet that Baseball or Basketball Hall of Fame you went to was a real big deal.

Which brings us to the only thing I should have bothered saying after reading your posts; Then I don't think you should bother yourself by joining the AMA. Too much aggravation for you to stand, with all that responsibility stuff and spending all that money. You obviously have better thing to do than fly models airplanes.

Jimbo

Can it get any better than this?

Getting the popcorn down and warming up the oil.

Frank

Don't feel sorry for me. I have AMA, sleep very well every night, voted for Obama (I've just GOTTA say that to get your goat whether I did or not).

You don't LIKE Paying your dues. Gee, I find myself feeling....NOT sorry for you. Don't join, don't pay your dues, don't waste your time b[]tching.

I throw AMA a party every night...right in here!

I was actually focusing my attention on somebody (and I'll quote here) "WITH SOME POTENTIAL AND A BRAIN" joining the hobby. I didn't think you'd get delusions of grandeur there and think I was talking about YOU. Lots of people read these posts. Sorry if I tried to be nice to you and pretend I was including you, even if you don't deserve it. It won't happen again.

I think you should not join the AMA this time around. Then you won't have to feel so bad about it that you have to come into a thread about "what the AMA has done for me" and try to say they don't do anything for anybody. Because it's just not true.

If YOU consider ME a nut, I'll take that as a compliment.

AMA does plenty for me. I guess YOU just don't know where to look to see the advantages. Makes me feel REAL good.


Jimbo

LOL....

Jimbo

Our club is on public land, owned by the municipal Parks & Rec Dept. We are REQUIRED to have AMA membership in order to fly!

If we woke up tomorrow to find out the government was banning the sale or use of rc aircraft, you same AMA bashers would be whining "How could this have happened, what's the AMA going to do to fix this?"

Some of you expect it all, giving nothing in return...It's been my experience in life that you get out of an organization what you put into it.

I keep telling myself that there's no reason to post in this thread, because those of you who have a hard-on for the AMA will not change your minds based on anything anyone says to you. Because someone at a field somewhere pissed in your Wheaties, you take it out on the AMA. Pretty childish view of life. Be a man. Place blame where blame is due.

Some of you don't like rules. Too bad, the world runs on them. Go ahead and drive 90 in a 55 mph zone, then piss and moan to the cop when he writes your ticket. Tell him you don't like the rules. See if that makes him change his mind...See if your insurance company will forego the rules when they raise your insurance rates because you got too many speeding tickets.

I'm not saying you have to belong to the AMA. Even if you have no homeowner's insurance, just say to hell with it, go fly. Then, if you fly into someone and maim them or kill them, be prepared to spend the rest of your life paying off the judgement against you in a wrongful death lawsuit. Can't happen, you say? Guess again...

Where, is it in combatpigg's dictionary? Cant find that definition in any actual dictionary.

So Josepf Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao Zedong were facists? Need to change the history books............................

Here's the problem. When a person comes on here to ask a question, or to simply voice his/her opinion, there's always going to be a few who tend to get their panties in a wad over what is stated, or asked. That's simply the facts, and uncalled for. Another problem is the pointing out of specific posters. Once a person makes a post, either asking a question or voicing his/her opinion, many times they are called out by name and bashed. Not good. It is every person's right to say what they have to say whether you like it or not. Instead of simply saying that you agree, or disagree, personal attacks start flying. It's not worth all of that. A person should be able to voice their opinion without being mauled in return. I, for one, was responding to the thread as a whole, not responding to any one person, or post. I say what I have to say, along with several others, and out comes the flame thrower, with specific names being called out. Again, not good.

So in response to Texas Nut, and I'm calling you out again because you seem to love doing it to everyone else, here goes. Your are what you are. You wake up in the morning with your feelings on your shoulders and this is your outlet to vent, like most libs need. I don't mind paying my dues. I've "never" complained about doing so. I know that what the AMA offers is must to fly in pretty much any club. I have no problem with that, as your statements insinuated that I do have a problem with it. I don't. If you'll go back and read what you wrote, you singled me out by name, and you'll never admit to it, even if it's in plain english for everyone to read. You were not being nice to me, it's obvious. You don't have to include me, I'll do fine on my on as I always do. You could vanish from this site and there's a pretty damn good chance most poster's experience on here will be much better. As for joining back up with the AMA, and your telling me not to.......yeah right. Like I'd get very far attending other clubs without it. Is it a necassary evil? No. Is it necassary? Yes.

I'd love to be able to look you in the face and tell you to keep your insults to yourself, or else. Oh how I would love to do that. We'd see just how loud you'd speak then. But since that wish can't come true, feel free to "safely "carry on with your ramblings and insults. Yes, you turn something so simple as this into Coke and popcorn material. Guys like you wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell surviving in any club around here. It'd be safe to say you're better off where you are now.

Sad to say, his book is the only place THAT definition exists.

He equates reasonable expectation of responsibility with SHAME. He equates requirements established within well-founded rules with coercion. In essence he's having a hissy because he doesn't LIKE it.

"Fascist" is a word used since the 60's by somebody trying to inflame a situation because they are not being listened to. To most people it sounds really bad, in reality most don't know what it actually means and all that it implies. It's just a tool in this case....a way to throw a name at one of us that the Mods haven't outlawed. It means less than nothing simply because he used it. Less than that because he used it without context.

Pretty much like 95% of the things he says in here. But hey, I'm giving him the 5%, right?

Man, I am GENEROUS. [ Jimbo = a generous fascist...] (Define that, CP!)

Well, I've got a few things to go and do today, guess I'll catch you later...

Jimbo