To be fair the USAMA has posted a copy of their insurance certificate on the website, so there is progress in getting information out.

www.sportfliers.com

Now what gives with the address given for USAMA on the Insurance Certificate??????????

U.S. Aero Modeler's Association
P.O. Box 3242
Muncie IN, 47307-3242

Anybody know of another RC related association headquartered in Muncie? [sm=spinnyeyes.gif]

I suppose if they had left out "Muncie IN" you would have complained about that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

who's complaining? Just wondering why in one case it's a P.O. Box in Las Vegas and in the next a P.O. Box in Muncie?

Hey for all we know the AMA might be behind this. For $20.00a head, they get out of there deductible/co-pay for the vast majority of claims.

Ha, Is the Phoenix rising again? And it is dated Oct. 26, 2009.

Could it be that Surplus Insur. of South Bend just might be feeling ignored in the contractual bidding processes and wishes to be a player in aeromodeling insurance?

Lots of things like that. The money goes to a management group and the service is somewhere else.

Makes no never mind to me at this time. You folks can speculate to Kingdom Come. Enjoy!

I have a lot of building to do. [sm=47_47.gif]

They might think that listing the address near the AMA lends some credibility, as well as the name they chose to have.

I guess the question I have is how each AMA chartered club is going to handle it. My current club which is on public land accepted the old sport fliers membership except for AMA events. There wasn't to my knowledge of anyone in the club that was a member. Its hard to commit to something with no proven history or that has been around such a short time. I might bring up the issue at the next meeting of the club just to see how the "old guard" reacts to it being the only reason some join AMA so they can have a place to fly because the club mandates membership. Also the insurance AMA provides.

I do not believe an AMA Club can under AMA Rules can allow membership to non AMA members. I do not know how that would effect the validity of the Site Owners Insurance, but I would expect the implication from AMA is that it would.

I think CP has it right the name USAMA and the address in Muncie are designed to lend credibility to the new association.

Here is a new question........ will USAMA apply to be a recognized "Community Based Organization" under the much discussed FCC ARC rules being worked on?

Brad

Maybe the start of a new thread "Can a chartered club allow members that are not AMA holders". In the case of where the club holds either the ownership of the flying site or a defined control agreement to administrator the site I could see that. Where a club has a site on public land I think this would be on a case by case basis depending on their agreement with the public concern that controls the land. But I guess that kind of gets this pointed towards a off topic discussion.
I just don't see sending in $20 bucks to a organization that starts up with no history. The Muncie IN address may hold some credibility for the uninformed. I'm sure that they won't be around long without gaining some sort of rep. That will prove wrong the "I joined AMA for the insurance only" gang.

Why do you need a thread and/or discussion? The rules are plainly stated in AMA Bylaws and Documents.

BYLAWS OF THE ACADEMY OF MODEL AERONAUTICS, INCORPORATED
Amended July 2008

ARTICLE III
Membership

Section 2. The Chartered Club is the local division of the AMA. It
is the vehicle for recognition of any geographic grouping of AMA
members.
(a) The Charter provides the local organized group with added
insurance protection for the club, the club officers related to
their duties as officers, and flying site owners. Other services
such as assistance in acquisition and retention of flying sites,
materials for public relations, and legal counsel, when necessary
are available to the Charter Club.
Adopted April 19, 2008

(b) All members of the Chartered Club, including officers, must
be members of the AMA (except Associate members who are
not officers, defined as a wife, husband, child, or parent of an
active club member who does not operate models as part of the
club activity); such member must be listed on the Charter as an
associate.

Section 3. The Executive Council’s determination on eligibility or
class of membership shall be conclusive. Upon acceptance for
membership, each individual shall agree to accept the Articles of
Incorporation and Bylaws of the AMA and to pay such dues as may
from time to time be determined by the Executive Council. No
member shall have any right, title, or interest in or to AMA
property.

Flying At AMA Chartered Club Sites AMA Document 911
>>>>
To preserve the availability of low cost insurance to your club and its site owner, the people who fly with your club
should contribute their share of that cost. They can do so by becoming dues paying members of your AMA charter club
as well. In the same vein, if the landowner for your club’s chartered club field has granted the club exclusive flying
privileges, the club should ONLY allow AMA members and current members of the Model Aeronautics Association
Canada (MAAC) to fly at the field. If your club is flying on public land and it has not been granted exclusive flying
rights by the public agency in charge, your club activities should be confined to AMA members, and you are not
responsible for other (non-AMA) flier’s actions. Should the public agency be named as an additional insured, it has
coverage only for the actions of your club, its members, and other visiting AMA members who are considered guests.
<<<

Cut and Dried. Any discussions shuld be taken up with your DVP.

We'll know they are legitimate when they take out a full page color ad in Model Aviation Magazine!!!

gpb-
"We'll know they are legitimate when they take out a full page color ad in Model Aviation Magazine!!!"

your qualifier says what about the legitimacy
of all the companies taking out just 1/2 page or bw ads in MA?

Is that really the standard you hold all companies to?



JimF-
That has been discussed at great lengths in a couple thread already, so I wont rehash it here...
last one I recall was asking if we should do that- [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6379163/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm]Should AMA clubs allow non-AMA to fly[/link]
(if you put up with the usual bickering junk there is a bunch of discussion with good info in first 4-5 or so pages)

Perhaps you might want to start a thread on the AMA board to get an official reply after reading the above linked thread.

Tank you Hossfly for the information. I knew that it was a false statement. Our field sign for years had AMA and SFA (I think) required to fly. The ad in MA is a great idea. Should call and ask for a quote.

One item that needs to be noticed about this organization is its 12 pound dry wieght limit on aircraft, that would only cover half of my bird

The 12 pound limit would only cover my fuel in my jet. Dennis

well, if we are gonna talk about 12lb limit.....



Does anyone fly all them .40 - .90 ARFs I see advertised,
cause I figure it would be hard for them to exceed 12lb dry.

One might expect that you are not in their target market, then.

It wouldn't be very smart for a startup co. to go head-to-head with AMA; SFA tried and got pounded. Maybe better odds of succeeding in segments that AMA has failed to capture, including park flyers.

Found the link to their insurance document. It says med expenses to any one person is only 5,000 dollars. Seems kinda low to me.

I guess the figure a 12 pound will do only $5,000 in injury. Dennis

Thats what the big boys are sayin'....[sm=wink_smile.gif]

And AMA is sayin' an under 2 pound model will do only $0.00 in injury (no med coverage for PP).

haha...There ya go, can't argue with the big boys can ya?...[8D]

Been discussed before, but my friend Peter had an acident with a "400" size electric heli. He maxed out the AMA medical at $25,000 and was still out of pocket on medical bills.

Yes a less then 12lb model can cause an expensive injury.

Brad

Well, lets here what ya have to say about the 0 ins for medical for the park fliers. See what damage it might do with a high speed elec motor rammed into somebodys eye at 40-50 mph. I don't understand ama's thinking on this.

Actually I agree with you, I think the AMA ParkFlyer program is a total bust and should be canned.

But that's not the subject of this thread is it?????????

Probably not, but I just thought I'd type something before going back to my Garden Tractor Forum....