combatpigg

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A walk through the pits at a NHRA event is very educational. Especially if you can catch one of the drivers or crew chiefs during some down time when they can talk. The car magazines have technical articles and usually a Q&A column or 2. In Model Aviation you also have the individual competition categories broken down column by column with inside information about how are where to get up to speed in those events. The AMA does enough to satisfy the IRS criteria of promoting education. You might want more from them, but if you don't think they provide some education...continue on your crusade then.

KidEpoxy

Kbob
You are right. Whats the big deal

When this is all done,
and the IRS says there was no problem with unreported Unrelated Business revenue/profit ('member subscription'),
nor a problem with having a wee tiny slice of the pie going to education,
we will know that
a) Cisco was wrong the whole time
b) MA has indeed been $1mil in the red and NOT $ 1/2 mil profit the whole time (just as the report numbers show)

so yeah, wheres the big deal

Luchnia

My Feedback: (21)

How can typing behind a screen name (alias) in an electronic chat forum be injury and defamation to anyone? Db is a threat to no one typing in a chat forum. It is very simple. Even the lawyers missed this one. Please don't take offence, but I just don't get how that is possible at all.

Unless we know dbcisco in person and have facts about his intention, then he is just a person behind a screen name and nothing more to any of us. Whether he is right or wrong, I do not know, but I know he brings up some interesting discussion and it never hurts to keep a watchful eye out. Being a Director for a non-profit I understand the importance of doing things right and being accountable to the people that make the org what it is.

This is an electronic chat forum, nothing more, nothing less. If anyone were to take what they see in a chat forum to heart, then it might be time to stop using the Internet [X(]

KidEpoxy

CPig,
your comments would make more sense
if Model Aviation magazine was NOT structured as Unrelated business... you would be spot on it we just did MA as part of what we do... as related instead of as 'unrelated' stuff like selling Tshirts/Foamcores/Chili

Please recall the frequent times Hoss/me/etc said we wanted MA to turn a profit,
which we would pay a lil tax on, but we would be making money rather than losing it. OK, as such an Unrelated business that is acceptable.... but it has to be reported as such... and we just dont see that happening in the reports.

The 'educational' card aint played on the Unrelated business parts

Stickbuilder

The usual Hot Rod Associations (not to name any) normally sanction drag races, but do not necessarily arrange them (other than a few of the National events). Their mission is not to promote the educational and scientific aspects of automotive technology. They exist to serve those who wish to modify their cars to make them faster. They are a poor example to hold up against the AMA. The AMA was formed to promote the educational and scientific aspects of aero modeling. If you will read the mission statements of both types of organization, you will find them to be entirely different. The AMA was all about building and flying model aircraft. Nowadays the building part is even in question. You might want to use something else for an example. This one is making you look even worse.

Bill, AMA 4720
NHRA Member

dbcisco

And watching porn flix is sex education. Lets put in the schools.[X(]
Then the NHRA is either stupid for not getting 501(c)(3) status, or they are honest enough to admit that they are not an educatinal organization. My money is on the latter.

K-Bob

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We agree. You are absolutely right. No big deal.

But, just maybe, some like nit-picking for the sake of nit-picking, so that they may make themselves feel superior andsubsequently be rightfully admired for their greatness. Or does it really all boil down to adolescent attention getting that has carried itself into adulthood?Come on, we've all met "that guy"in our personal orprofessional lives. But then maybe "that guy" mouths off to the wrong person or persons. Then they want to play the victim role.

I really, really hope the AMA comes with both barrels blazing. Heck let's start a "Defend the AMA" fund. I'll kick in the first $29 to make up for the PPP membership DBcisco won't get next year.

(Now don't you dare suggest that it be shortened to the "DA" fund.)

theriddler33872

why is it the name calling is always started by a AMA'er ????
gee you would think that some "ol'hat" AMA'er would want to be a positive force in the hobby and promote the AMA ......crazy i know !

this is one of my big reasons for staying out of the AMA because for the AMA to grow they would need to put alot of you "ol'hats" into a time out to remind you the values that i hope you taught your childern or did most of you raise them to be just like yourselfs ?

i've asked questions that are just over looked or you AMA'ers just don't have good answers for .

what the AMA should probably do is ........................ remove the majority of you "ol'hats" memberships based just off the point that you are a negitive force to the hobby and the AMA !
if this bothers most of you then you should not be getting into the fight what does it prove besides you are the negitive almighty AMA members

and as for the one's that suggest i'm a follower in this wrong again i do not have any evidence i have not bothered to look any of this up and i've said more then once that it is a what if situation i myself do not have the time to take on this whole thing but i well say that what would db gain from this he is a member of the AMA or do most of you speed read ?

lopflyers

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Lawyers are like snakes, there are no good ones. It is a lot better to stay away from them. Anyways is it AMA's business to be sneaking here in the RCU chats? As far as I am concerned this is a private conversation between a bunch of guys with a common interest.
So if me and my friends are talking bs about AMA at our club, can they sue us? Same here. Leave us alone.

theriddler33872

ok ,this did not start on the RCU forum this started for dbcisco on the AMA forum .

K-Bob

My Feedback: (1)

What?

The bolded (my emphasis) lines in the quote have to be a classic in the making.

TIP: I'm not an "ole AMA'er" but I think I read somewhere that you should make sure to have adequate ventilation when using large amounts of CA glue.

dbcisco

Even if I am right.
Sickening.

theriddler33872

nope i use epoxy but hey remember people CA is a gateway .
i never said you (kbob) was a "ol'hat" but you are a AMA'er ain't you .

i mean no disrespect but i've watched alot of these forums on RCU (and it is in NO way RCU's fault) forums and normally it's a AMA member that doesn't like what some one has said and they cast the first stone my comment was not directed at you in general ,

theriddler33872

BUT i'll tell you kbob the samething i've told some of the others if you want to lock horns with me i have no problems with it but please lets remove it from the open forum we can pm ourselfs to death but as with the last few i have no real beef or problems with you so i don't know .

thank you .............................

dbcisco

Pretty much. The idea that something was wrong was when I made a post with an error about Mr. Cain (whose honesty I admire although I disagree with him on several points) and instead of correcting my error they locked the thread and banned me. That was when I started listening to all the people questioning the AMA at RCU, reading the documents and thinking for my self instead of the propaganda. I discovered many questionable things and very little clarification from the AMA, indeed far too much contradictory information. At the urging of some of the AMA fanatics that "If your right why don't you report them to the IRS" I did so. Now the ones who suggested that are back-tracking and calling me a scumbag.
I believe there are only a handful of honest, decent, free thinking men and women left in this hobby (you know who you are). If that is the way America has become I am proud to be in the minority.
I think most have sold their birthright for a mess of porridge.

K-Bob

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No beef with you either and Ido apologize for the CA remark. Good one about it being a gateway.

But, there is always a but isn't there, surely you cannot expect to give and not get it back. If you constantly and predictably attack a group of people, you should expect retribution.Especially when you have stated over and over again that your opinion of the AMA and it's members is basedon your interaction with oneperson, one time. You don't know that the poor old phart didn't just get a call that his dog died or that his prostate was flaring up. Maybe he just planted his third and last overweight warbird. Of course, that assumes that his unsatisfactory (to you) reaction wasn't justified by what he may have perceived as a poor first impression. Was he supposed to drop anything and everything he was doing or involved with and give you a balloon bouquet?Maybe he was prepping to give buddy box lessons to a group of orphan children. See my point?We really don't know all the mitigating issues do we?

theriddler33872

i understand db your point is a good one and you did what was right .
and i do read the post from the begining before i post ............

i get involved when i think the op has a point and other times i get involved because the AMA'ers are ganging up on someone and it's happened to me by the same people .

in no way do i mean pm me as a threat what i'm saying is that if you want to get to the name calling and so forth lets get it off the post i'm more then happy to have conversations but please remember with me you'll get the same attitude you give me and i think there are a few that already found that out .

like i said anyone can PM me i like to think i'm not that bad of a person .
although i do have a attitude problem ....... LMAO !

theriddler33872

no kbob the CA remark was a good one i love zingers like that come on i've got a sense of humor .....

his prostate was flaring up ....................................... oh god ..lol !

ok i won't fight with you anymore i'm starting to enjoy your company , darn it ...................

tl671

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Lawyers are like snakes, lopflyers I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement... I would rather spend all of my time with any snake, than any lawyer on the planet.

theriddler33872

as long as it ain't no rock python darn things are mean i've still got teeth marks from 10 years ago .

tl671

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Even the mean ones (reticulated, rock, green tree pythons) are better than lawyers.
And less dangerous.

KidEpoxy

Riddler-
see, right off I new I was gonna like you [8D]

KidEpoxy

Cisco
doh, thats gonna sting somebody

shhhhh
if you're very quiet,
you can hear folks running back thru their posts to edit out where they told you to do it.
They sure the heck dont want to be the one responsible for causing the IRS thing to happen

dbcisco

There are far to many who will never admit the Emperor might be naked.

Luchnia

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I knew others somewhat shared my view of lawyers A snake carries a much, much higher position on the life-chain than a lawyer.

About the only things shared between a lawyer and a snake is the shrewd cunning and craftiness of attack. At least you know a snake is an animal. A lawyer was at least born a human first before they turned to slithering and wallowing in the mire.

It is amazing what the love of money (greed) does to a man and how it brings him to justify his deeds of darkness. What lawyer(s) do any of you know that actually cares and won't take everything someone has putting them on the street because of a law case?

Their conscience is seared and close to non-existent and yet they do what they do because of their perception of "law" never once realizing there is a higher moral law in place (high road).

I better stop before I really get on a rant [X(]