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joebahl 02-12-2013 06:45 AM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 


ORIGINAL: Valve floater

When will it stop? The person who is flying in a commercial jet and takes pictures over the town out the window. The cub flying around taking pictures over my town or looking out sight seeing and saw something they were not supposed to see during a pleasure ride. Taking a picture with your cell phone of your family, but you may have your neighbors house in the background. Did you get permission? Privacy? A multicopter is just a heli with 4 to 6 motors. We have been flying rc heli`s for what, 30 years. They are not some kind of evil new rc thing. Guys, a foamy, to a 170cc plane can carry a sort of camera. I just want to fly my multicopter at an AMA site. LOS, under 400 ft, safely, and have some fun with a gopro camera and film the fun we have at my RC club. We fly our planes right? You can take a gas plane up above the clouds as high as we could. BUT WE DON`T!It`s common sense. I am a club member like you, and fly large gas planes. I do agree that crazies doing things as filming where they are not supposed to, and that be needs to be stopped. Where have you seen people doing that? I will give you permission to take mine down if i am that stupid. But be aware the average joe doesn`t know the diff. between a AR parrot, mutlticopter, jet or 200cc plane. You don`t want the public to throw us all in a handbasket, which is scary. Rc planes has been a hobby for over 100 years. Let`s keep it a hobby. I will take the camera stuff off if i have to,to protect my hobby. But this drone thing, as far as the hobbyist is getting out of control.
Now this is exactly what iam saying ,For you wanna be photo nuts who take pictures around your flying field we are not talking about you .Its the big planes some of the bigger wanna be drone hopefulls we are talking about. So keep strapping your little cameras to your slow sticks but dont say you are with the guys flying 2 and 3 hundrad pound drone look alikes that will hurt our hobby. joe

HoundDog 02-12-2013 06:52 AM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 


ORIGINAL: on_your_six


I do not think we have a "Right" to fly unmanned aircraft, I think we should have a license to fly ALL unmanned aircraft including that 40sized model. Maybe not a model designed to fly indoors. The license to fly an RC aircraft could be as simple as taking a test to acknowledge what you can and cannot do. Just what harm is that? Yet I hear people screaming about loosing their rights. For larger aircraft (size to be determined) the knowledge test should increase. As the capability of the aircraft flown increases so should the knowledge demonstrated to fly it.

<span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Are U advocating that all who goto a hobby shop and purchace a Plug'N'play air plane/Heli/quad copter have a licence to fly it? This Licence to be issued by whom after what Instruction by what certified instructor? Most AMA Clubs don't even have a formal Instructor Base. Most AMA clubs just have a senior pilot that offers to help the NewBee. I know of one AMA sanctioned club where U don't fly unless U take instruction as a NewBee or demonstrait to 2 of their instructors that U are capable of doing 10 manuvers they require a person to be able to do before being allowed to fly solo at their field.
But as far as having a Licence to fly a 40 sized RC model the AMa as a Comunity Based Orginization doesn't require/recomend that. Don't get me wrong ... I don't believe that some people should be made to prove their knowledge and their ability to properly fly RC models, and many of these people have been at this Hobby/Sport for 30 years or more.... and every club has at least one ... U know the guy that crashes / flys over the flight line ect ect a lot.
</span></span></span>

bradpaul 02-12-2013 07:17 AM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 
Best video yet on the issues/benefits/concerns on drones.  Well worth the 27 minutes  <div>
</div><div>At the end is an amaning video of a formation of micro multi rotor heli drones playing the "James Bond" theme on instruments.......... AMAZING!!!!
<div>BTW this link is from the AMA blog and shows their concern on the issue.</div><div>
</div><div>http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2013/01/27/rise-of-the-machines-friend-or-foe/</div><div>
</div><div>Brad</div></div>

eddieC 02-12-2013 07:23 AM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 

<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Now this is exactly what iam saying ,For you wanna be photo nuts who take pictures around your flying field we are not talking about you .Its the big planes some of the bigger wanna be drone hopefulls we are talking about. So keep strapping your little cameras to your slow sticks but dont say you are with the guys flying 2 and 3 hundrad pound drone look alikes that will hurt our hobby. joe</span>
<div>
</div><div>The majority of drones will be in the 10-60 pound range. They will have most of the capabilities without longer flight times and higher costs, thus affordable to more users. </div><div>
</div><div>No one has limited this thread to a certain weight. All sizes of drones are being discussed. </div>

bradpaul 02-12-2013 07:36 AM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 


ORIGINAL: eddieC


<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Now this is exactly what iam saying ,For you wanna be photo nuts who take pictures around your flying field we are not talking about you .Its the big planes some of the bigger wanna be drone hopefulls we are talking about. So keep strapping your little cameras to your slow sticks but dont say you are with the guys flying 2 and 3 hundrad pound drone look alikes that will hurt our hobby. joe</span>
<div></div><div>The majority of drones will be in the 10-60 pound range. They will have most of the capabilities without longer flight times and higher costs, thus affordable to more users.</div><div></div><div>No one has limited this thread to a certain weight. All sizes of drones are being discussed.</div>
Exactly......................... want to see depending on your position on drones .................................................. ...... either the "coolest" FPV group or the "most dangerous" FPV group.......

Team Black Sheep.

http://www.youtube.com/user/nastycop420

http://team-blacksheep.com/videos

Brad
<br type="_moz" />

littlecrankshaf 02-12-2013 08:08 AM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 


ORIGINAL: on_your_six


I do not think we have a ''Right'' to fly unmanned aircraft, I think we should have a license to fly ALL unmanned aircraft including that 40sized model. Maybe not a model designed to fly indoors. The license to fly an RC aircraft could be as simple as taking a test to acknowledge what you can and cannot do. Just what harm is that? Yet I hear people screaming about loosing their rights. For larger aircraft (size to be determined) the knowledge test should increase. As the capability of the aircraft flown increases so should the knowledge demonstrated to fly it.



Just wondering, are you an officer for an AMA club?

HoundDog 02-12-2013 08:35 AM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 


ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf



ORIGINAL: on_your_six


I do not think we have a ''Right'' to fly unmanned aircraft, I think we should have a license to fly ALL unmanned aircraft including that 40sized model. Maybe not a model designed to fly indoors. The license to fly an RC aircraft could be as simple as taking a test to acknowledge what you can and cannot do. Just what harm is that? Yet I hear people screaming about loosing their rights. For larger aircraft (size to be determined) the knowledge test should increase. As the capability of the aircraft flown increases so should the knowledge demonstrated to fly it.

Just wondering, are you an officer for an AMA club?

<span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;"><span style="font-size: medium;">

</span></span><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;"><span style="font-size: medium;">A License to fly doesn't prove that a person has the Proficiency to fly what ever ... it would only serve to say they he ounce demonstrated th<span>ey </span>had some kind of ability. It doesn't say anything about their present judgement or proficiency. We all get older or (DUMBER) or both ... Full scale Pilots must prove proficiency every 2 years, it's called a <span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0);">Biannual Flight Review</span>. Insodently</span></span><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;"><span style="font-size: medium;"> it can't be failed it's just that if an instructor refuses to endorse your Log Book U can't fly as Pilot in command. I suggested pretty much the same thing for our RC club and guess what those that really needed help wanted to ... LYNCH me.
<font color="#bf005f">Go Figure.</font></span></span>


BarracudaHockey 02-12-2013 08:49 AM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 
I think the point is that like a learners permit exam doesn't show you know how to drive, just that you read the rules and know what a stop sign means.

Like the general disregard for red lights (at least in Jacksonville), I dont think it will help, and then it has to be administered which the FAA doesn't have the manpower or money to do, they have their hands full with FS aviation.

littlecrankshaf 02-12-2013 08:55 AM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 


ORIGINAL: HoundDog



ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf



ORIGINAL: on_your_six


I do not think we have a ''Right'' to fly unmanned aircraft, I think we should have a license to fly ALL unmanned aircraft including that 40sized model. Maybe not a model designed to fly indoors. The license to fly an RC aircraft could be as simple as taking a test to acknowledge what you can and cannot do. Just what harm is that? Yet I hear people screaming about loosing their rights. For larger aircraft (size to be determined) the knowledge test should increase. As the capability of the aircraft flown increases so should the knowledge demonstrated to fly it.

Just wondering, are you an officer for an AMA club?

<span style=''font-family: Comic Sans MS;''><span style=''font-size: medium;''>

</span></span><span style=''font-family: Comic Sans MS;''><span style=''font-size: medium;''>A License to fly doesn't prove that a person has the Proficiency to fly what ever ... it would only serve to say they he ounce demonstrated th<span>ey </span>had some kind of ability. It doesn't say anything about their present judgement or proficiency. We all get older or (DUMBER) or both ... Full scale Pilots must prove proficiency every 2 years, it's called a <span style=''color: rgb(128, 0, 0);''>Biannual Flight Review</span>. Insodently</span></span><span style=''font-family: Comic Sans MS;''><span style=''font-size: medium;''> it can't be failed it's just that if an instructor refuses to endorse your Log Book U can't fly as Pilot in command. I suggested pretty much the same thing for our RC club and guess what those that really needed help wanted to ... LYNCH me.
<font color=''#bf005f''>Go Figure.</font></span></span>


One of the problems with "licensing" is the never ending "qualifications" that can be added at just about anytime...

NorfolkSouthern 02-12-2013 12:11 PM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 


ORIGINAL: on_your_six

I think that the FAA has caused this huge mess by failing to do their job and administrate the use of the national airspace.

I do not like all the comments, especially the tone of the ''old fart'' (his words) military pilot. There are some fine pilots out there that did not get a DOD stamp on their forehead.

I do not think we have a ''Right'' to fly unmanned aircraft, I think we should have a license to fly ALL unmanned aircraft including that 40sized model. Maybe not a model designed to fly indoors. The license to fly an RC aircraft could be as simple as taking a test to acknowledge what you can and cannot do. Just what harm is that? Yet I hear people screaming about loosing their rights. For larger aircraft (size to be determined) the knowledge test should increase. As the capability of the aircraft flown increases so should the knowledge demonstrated to fly it.

If you are flying FPV (broadcasting camera) you will need to have equipment such as an encoding altimeter, ADSB in and out so that you can both see and be seen in the airspace. Yes I know the cost of that statement. A fixed camera is just not enough when you cannot look around. You are in fact an aircraft like all others, so act like it. You will have to be trained in a manner like all pilots are currently trained... especially Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) to fly into Instrument Meteorological Conditions (IMC). Gone will be the days of visual flight into the clouds. The planes will have to be of better construction with backup systems so they don't drop out of the sky like so many RC airplanes I see currently. If you want to fly commercially, you will have to train for that privilege. I fully support the private use of unmanned aircraft.

Manned aircraft can currently do all the ''spying'' people are complaining about. If your wife likes to sunbathe in the nude, she should expect pictures of her posted on the internet. The sky does not belong to the property owner... much case law on that.

The FAA owns the skies, so FAA get on the stick and issue some rules before we have all this legislation that creates all sorts of fences.


It has been at least a couple years since I've flown R/C. For me, it has been an expensive hobby in club memberships, AMA insurance, and gear maintenance. Over the last three years, I have had other priorities to deal with. None the less, I will weigh in my observations. The Second Amendment gives the law abiding the right to own a firearm, and have it in their residence. That has been coming under attack recently, with government officials trying to declare gun ownership as a privilege, rather than a constitutional right like voting. And the media likes to sensationalize any gun-related incident possible, to egg the government into attacking our rights as citizens.

Unlike the Second Amendment, there is no guaranteed right to own or operate a motor vehicle. Driving is a privilege for someone who has the means, and so is owning and operating an unmanned aircraft (model airplane). The truth hurts, but I indeed have several drones in my place of residence. They can just as well be equipped with cameras and video downlinks, and converted to quiet electric power rather than internal combustion. With the massive assault on our second amendment rights, I feel that some misguided souls could improvise and use R/C technology for a hostile purpose if they think the government is up to no good. It has never happened yet, but given time it can become an unfortunate possibility. Flying a model aircraft is a privilege, not a right. Just because I have used my equipment in a responsible and safe manner, does not mean that someone else will do the same.

I have to agree, that there shouldn't be a problem with licensing requirements to operate an unmanned aircraft. A license is required to operate a motor vehicle, and hundreds of millions of people abide by the law every day, and get to their destinations safely. Unmanned aircraft could be put to many good uses, aerial photography is one example: Serving the pleasure of seeing how things look on the ground, on a clear and pleasant day. But the ability to have that pleasure, should be met with some responsibility on the part of the operator. I am not for being restricted to limited AMA flying fields. If I have a proper license, I should feel confident to legally operate my drone where I see fit, as long as it does not violate the rights of others. The ability to operate an unmanned aircraft legally, in any jurisdiction, could open the airspace to many people who would otherwise not be able to access it due to costs, or other limitations from full-scale manned aircraft. The FAA has been dragging their feet on this for far too long.

NS

littlecrankshaf 02-12-2013 12:25 PM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 


ORIGINAL: NorfolkSouthern



ORIGINAL: on_your_six

I think that the FAA has caused this huge mess by failing to do their job and administrate the use of the national airspace.

I do not like all the comments, especially the tone of the ''old fart'' (his words) military pilot. There are some fine pilots out there that did not get a DOD stamp on their forehead.

I do not think we have a ''Right'' to fly unmanned aircraft, I think we should have a license to fly ALL unmanned aircraft including that 40sized model. Maybe not a model designed to fly indoors. The license to fly an RC aircraft could be as simple as taking a test to acknowledge what you can and cannot do. Just what harm is that? Yet I hear people screaming about loosing their rights. For larger aircraft (size to be determined) the knowledge test should increase. As the capability of the aircraft flown increases so should the knowledge demonstrated to fly it.

If you are flying FPV (broadcasting camera) you will need to have equipment such as an encoding altimeter, ADSB in and out so that you can both see and be seen in the airspace. Yes I know the cost of that statement. A fixed camera is just not enough when you cannot look around. You are in fact an aircraft like all others, so act like it. You will have to be trained in a manner like all pilots are currently trained... especially Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) to fly into Instrument Meteorological Conditions (IMC). Gone will be the days of visual flight into the clouds. The planes will have to be of better construction with backup systems so they don't drop out of the sky like so many RC airplanes I see currently. If you want to fly commercially, you will have to train for that privilege. I fully support the private use of unmanned aircraft.

Manned aircraft can currently do all the ''spying'' people are complaining about. If your wife likes to sunbathe in the nude, she should expect pictures of her posted on the internet. The sky does not belong to the property owner... much case law on that.

The FAA owns the skies, so FAA get on the stick and issue some rules before we have all this legislation that creates all sorts of fences.


It has been at least a couple years since I've flown R/C. For me, it has been an expensive hobby in club memberships, AMA insurance, and gear maintenance. Over the last three years, I have had other priorities to deal with. None the less, I will weigh in my observations. The Second Amendment gives the law abiding the right to own a firearm, and have it in their residence. That has been coming under attack recently, with government officials trying to declare gun ownership as a privilege, rather than a constitutional right like voting. And the media likes to sensationalize any gun-related incident possible, to egg the government into attacking our rights as citizens.

Unlike the Second Amendment, there is no guaranteed right to own or operate a motor vehicle. Driving is a privilege for someone who has the means, and so is owning and operating an unmanned aircraft (model airplane). The truth hurts, but I indeed have several drones in my place of residence. They can just as well be equipped with cameras and video downlinks, and converted to quiet electric power rather than internal combustion. With the massive assault on our second amendment rights, I feel that some misguided souls could improvise and use R/C technology for a hostile purpose if they think the government is up to no good. It has never happened yet, but given time it can become an unfortunate possibility. Flying a model aircraft is a privilege, not a right. Just because I have used my equipment in a responsible and safe manner, does not mean that someone else will do the same.

I have to agree, that there shouldn't be a problem with licensing requirements to operate an unmanned aircraft.
A license is required to operate a motor vehicle, and hundreds of millions of people abide by the law every day, and get to their destinations safely. Unmanned aircraft could be put to many good uses, aerial photography is one example: Serving the pleasure of seeing how things look on the ground, on a clear and pleasant day. But the ability to have that pleasure, should be met with some responsibility on the part of the operator. I am not for being restricted to limited AMA flying fields. If I have a proper license, I should feel confident to legally operate my drone where I see fit, as long as it does not violate the rights of others. The ability to operate an unmanned aircraft legally, in any jurisdiction, could open the airspace to many people who would otherwise not be able to access it due to costs, or other limitations from full-scale manned aircraft. The FAA has been dragging their feet on this for far too long.

NS
Are making the point that by virtue of some "license" bad people won't do bad things? And that privileges thereof are only for those with the "means"???

joebahl 02-12-2013 12:35 PM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 


ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf



ORIGINAL: NorfolkSouthern



ORIGINAL: on_your_six

I think that the FAA has caused this huge mess by failing to do their job and administrate the use of the national airspace.

I do not like all the comments, especially the tone of the ''old fart'' (his words) military pilot. There are some fine pilots out there that did not get a DOD stamp on their forehead.

I do not think we have a ''Right'' to fly unmanned aircraft, I think we should have a license to fly ALL unmanned aircraft including that 40sized model. Maybe not a model designed to fly indoors. The license to fly an RC aircraft could be as simple as taking a test to acknowledge what you can and cannot do. Just what harm is that? Yet I hear people screaming about loosing their rights. For larger aircraft (size to be determined) the knowledge test should increase. As the capability of the aircraft flown increases so should the knowledge demonstrated to fly it.

If you are flying FPV (broadcasting camera) you will need to have equipment such as an encoding altimeter, ADSB in and out so that you can both see and be seen in the airspace. Yes I know the cost of that statement. A fixed camera is just not enough when you cannot look around. You are in fact an aircraft like all others, so act like it. You will have to be trained in a manner like all pilots are currently trained... especially Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) to fly into Instrument Meteorological Conditions (IMC). Gone will be the days of visual flight into the clouds. The planes will have to be of better construction with backup systems so they don't drop out of the sky like so many RC airplanes I see currently. If you want to fly commercially, you will have to train for that privilege. I fully support the private use of unmanned aircraft.

Manned aircraft can currently do all the ''spying'' people are complaining about. If your wife likes to sunbathe in the nude, she should expect pictures of her posted on the internet. The sky does not belong to the property owner... much case law on that.

The FAA owns the skies, so FAA get on the stick and issue some rules before we have all this legislation that creates all sorts of fences.


It has been at least a couple years since I've flown R/C. For me, it has been an expensive hobby in club memberships, AMA insurance, and gear maintenance. Over the last three years, I have had other priorities to deal with. None the less, I will weigh in my observations. The Second Amendment gives the law abiding the right to own a firearm, and have it in their residence. That has been coming under attack recently, with government officials trying to declare gun ownership as a privilege, rather than a constitutional right like voting. And the media likes to sensationalize any gun-related incident possible, to egg the government into attacking our rights as citizens.

Unlike the Second Amendment, there is no guaranteed right to own or operate a motor vehicle. Driving is a privilege for someone who has the means, and so is owning and operating an unmanned aircraft (model airplane). The truth hurts, but I indeed have several drones in my place of residence. They can just as well be equipped with cameras and video downlinks, and converted to quiet electric power rather than internal combustion. With the massive assault on our second amendment rights, I feel that some misguided souls could improvise and use R/C technology for a hostile purpose if they think the government is up to no good. It has never happened yet, but given time it can become an unfortunate possibility. Flying a model aircraft is a privilege, not a right. Just because I have used my equipment in a responsible and safe manner, does not mean that someone else will do the same.

I have to agree, that there shouldn't be a problem with licensing requirements to operate an unmanned aircraft.
A license is required to operate a motor vehicle, and hundreds of millions of people abide by the law every day, and get to their destinations safely. Unmanned aircraft could be put to many good uses, aerial photography is one example: Serving the pleasure of seeing how things look on the ground, on a clear and pleasant day. But the ability to have that pleasure, should be met with some responsibility on the part of the operator. I am not for being restricted to limited AMA flying fields. If I have a proper license, I should feel confident to legally operate my drone where I see fit, as long as it does not violate the rights of others. The ability to operate an unmanned aircraft legally, in any jurisdiction, could open the airspace to many people who would otherwise not be able to access it due to costs, or other limitations from full-scale manned aircraft. The FAA has been dragging their feet on this for far too long.

NS
Are making the point that by virtue of some ''license'' bad people won't do bad things? And that privileges thereof are only for those with the ''means''???
If it comes to getting a licence to fly a drone or just letting me fly my rc plane like i have in piece for 35 years ,guess witch one iam going to choose. lmao

littlecrankshaf 02-12-2013 12:44 PM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 


ORIGINAL: joebahl


If it comes to getting a licence to fly a drone or just letting me fly my rc plane like i have in piece for 35 years ,guess witch one iam going to choose. lmao

You got a point...and your sentiments parallel most people's...as far as I can tell.

When they come...just sell them drone guys out...that ought to hold them for a little while...

warningshot 02-12-2013 12:47 PM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 


ORIGINAL: NorfolkSouthern



ORIGINAL: on_your_six

I think that the FAA has caused this huge mess by failing to do their job and administrate the use of the national airspace.

I do not like all the comments, especially the tone of the ''old fart'' (his words) military pilot. There are some fine pilots out there that did not get a DOD stamp on their forehead.

I do not think we have a ''Right'' to fly unmanned aircraft, I think we should have a license to fly ALL unmanned aircraft including that 40sized model. Maybe not a model designed to fly indoors. The license to fly an RC aircraft could be as simple as taking a test to acknowledge what you can and cannot do. Just what harm is that? Yet I hear people screaming about loosing their rights. For larger aircraft (size to be determined) the knowledge test should increase. As the capability of the aircraft flown increases so should the knowledge demonstrated to fly it.

If you are flying FPV (broadcasting camera) you will need to have equipment such as an encoding altimeter, ADSB in and out so that you can both see and be seen in the airspace. Yes I know the cost of that statement. A fixed camera is just not enough when you cannot look around. You are in fact an aircraft like all others, so act like it. You will have to be trained in a manner like all pilots are currently trained... especially Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) to fly into Instrument Meteorological Conditions (IMC). Gone will be the days of visual flight into the clouds. The planes will have to be of better construction with backup systems so they don't drop out of the sky like so many RC airplanes I see currently. If you want to fly commercially, you will have to train for that privilege. I fully support the private use of unmanned aircraft.

Manned aircraft can currently do all the ''spying'' people are complaining about. If your wife likes to sunbathe in the nude, she should expect pictures of her posted on the internet. The sky does not belong to the property owner... much case law on that.

The FAA owns the skies, so FAA get on the stick and issue some rules before we have all this legislation that creates all sorts of fences.


It has been at least a couple years since I've flown R/C. For me, it has been an expensive hobby in club memberships, AMA insurance, and gear maintenance. Over the last three years, I have had other priorities to deal with. None the less, I will weigh in my observations. The Second Amendment gives the law abiding the right to own a firearm, and have it in their residence. That has been coming under attack recently, with government officials trying to declare gun ownership as a privilege, rather than a constitutional right like voting. And the media likes to sensationalize any gun-related incident possible, to egg the government into attacking our rights as citizens.

Unlike the Second Amendment, there is no guaranteed right to own or operate a motor vehicle. Driving is a privilege for someone who has the means, and so is owning and operating an unmanned aircraft (model airplane). The truth hurts, but I indeed have several drones in my place of residence. They can just as well be equipped with cameras and video downlinks, and converted to quiet electric power rather than internal combustion. With the massive assault on our second amendment rights, I feel that some misguided souls could improvise and use R/C technology for a hostile purpose if they think the government is up to no good. It has never happened yet, but given time it can become an unfortunate possibility. Flying a model aircraft is a privilege, not a right. Just because I have used my equipment in a responsible and safe manner, does not mean that someone else will do the same.

I have to agree, that there shouldn't be a problem with licensing requirements to operate an unmanned aircraft. A license is required to operate a motor vehicle, and hundreds of millions of people abide by the law every day, and get to their destinations safely. Unmanned aircraft could be put to many good uses, aerial photography is one example: Serving the pleasure of seeing how things look on the ground, on a clear and pleasant day. But the ability to have that pleasure, should be met with some responsibility on the part of the operator. I am not for being restricted to limited AMA flying fields. If I have a proper license, I should feel confident to legally operate my drone where I see fit, as long as it does not violate the rights of others. The ability to operate an unmanned aircraft legally, in any jurisdiction, could open the airspace to many people who would otherwise not be able to access it due to costs, or other limitations from full-scale manned aircraft. The FAA has been dragging their feet on this for far too long.

NS
You and others want a license required to fly RC planes but I do not need one to ride an ATV. Last I knew more people died rideing ATVs than flying toy airplanes.

littlecrankshaf 02-12-2013 12:49 PM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 


ORIGINAL: warningshot



ORIGINAL: NorfolkSouthern



ORIGINAL: on_your_six

I think that the FAA has caused this huge mess by failing to do their job and administrate the use of the national airspace.

I do not like all the comments, especially the tone of the ''old fart'' (his words) military pilot. There are some fine pilots out there that did not get a DOD stamp on their forehead.

I do not think we have a ''Right'' to fly unmanned aircraft, I think we should have a license to fly ALL unmanned aircraft including that 40sized model. Maybe not a model designed to fly indoors. The license to fly an RC aircraft could be as simple as taking a test to acknowledge what you can and cannot do. Just what harm is that? Yet I hear people screaming about loosing their rights. For larger aircraft (size to be determined) the knowledge test should increase. As the capability of the aircraft flown increases so should the knowledge demonstrated to fly it.

If you are flying FPV (broadcasting camera) you will need to have equipment such as an encoding altimeter, ADSB in and out so that you can both see and be seen in the airspace. Yes I know the cost of that statement. A fixed camera is just not enough when you cannot look around. You are in fact an aircraft like all others, so act like it. You will have to be trained in a manner like all pilots are currently trained... especially Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) to fly into Instrument Meteorological Conditions (IMC). Gone will be the days of visual flight into the clouds. The planes will have to be of better construction with backup systems so they don't drop out of the sky like so many RC airplanes I see currently. If you want to fly commercially, you will have to train for that privilege. I fully support the private use of unmanned aircraft.

Manned aircraft can currently do all the ''spying'' people are complaining about. If your wife likes to sunbathe in the nude, she should expect pictures of her posted on the internet. The sky does not belong to the property owner... much case law on that.

The FAA owns the skies, so FAA get on the stick and issue some rules before we have all this legislation that creates all sorts of fences.


It has been at least a couple years since I've flown R/C. For me, it has been an expensive hobby in club memberships, AMA insurance, and gear maintenance. Over the last three years, I have had other priorities to deal with. None the less, I will weigh in my observations. The Second Amendment gives the law abiding the right to own a firearm, and have it in their residence. That has been coming under attack recently, with government officials trying to declare gun ownership as a privilege, rather than a constitutional right like voting. And the media likes to sensationalize any gun-related incident possible, to egg the government into attacking our rights as citizens.

Unlike the Second Amendment, there is no guaranteed right to own or operate a motor vehicle. Driving is a privilege for someone who has the means, and so is owning and operating an unmanned aircraft (model airplane). The truth hurts, but I indeed have several drones in my place of residence. They can just as well be equipped with cameras and video downlinks, and converted to quiet electric power rather than internal combustion. With the massive assault on our second amendment rights, I feel that some misguided souls could improvise and use R/C technology for a hostile purpose if they think the government is up to no good. It has never happened yet, but given time it can become an unfortunate possibility. Flying a model aircraft is a privilege, not a right. Just because I have used my equipment in a responsible and safe manner, does not mean that someone else will do the same.

I have to agree, that there shouldn't be a problem with licensing requirements to operate an unmanned aircraft. A license is required to operate a motor vehicle, and hundreds of millions of people abide by the law every day, and get to their destinations safely. Unmanned aircraft could be put to many good uses, aerial photography is one example: Serving the pleasure of seeing how things look on the ground, on a clear and pleasant day. But the ability to have that pleasure, should be met with some responsibility on the part of the operator. I am not for being restricted to limited AMA flying fields. If I have a proper license, I should feel confident to legally operate my drone where I see fit, as long as it does not violate the rights of others. The ability to operate an unmanned aircraft legally, in any jurisdiction, could open the airspace to many people who would otherwise not be able to access it due to costs, or other limitations from full-scale manned aircraft. The FAA has been dragging their feet on this for far too long.

NS
You and others want a license required to fly RC planes but I do not need one to ride an ATV. Last I knew more people died rideing ATVs than flying toy airplanes.
Just wait...they'll get around to it!

bradpaul 02-12-2013 01:04 PM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 
I can see it now.......... a RC Licensehttp://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...y/msn/idea.gif

What do you think? A beginners license, a advanced license? Then of course we would need endorsements .................. heli endorsement, multi engine endorsement, glider endorsement, 3D endorsement, Giant Scale endorsement, Nitro endorsement, electric endorsement, turbine endorsement, FPV endorsement........................ it might never endhttp://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...n/drowning.gif

With of course required training and a fee to cover the cost of administering the the licensing agency........ BUT WAIT now we would need a whole new cadre of field Nazis to check licenses and proper endorsements........................

YEAH WHAT A GREAT IDEAhttp://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...ey/msn/lol.gif

What next a license decal on the plane showing taxes have been paid?

Brad

804 02-12-2013 01:09 PM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 
I could somewhat understand some outside our hobby, ignorant of what we do, how we do it, and of our history, advocating licensing. They can be educated.
But, for anyone among us to do the same is just un-freaking-believable to me.

cj_rumley 02-12-2013 01:18 PM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 
License voyeurs, paparazzi, terrorists and feeble OFs, not modelers.

CJ

joebahl 02-12-2013 01:38 PM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 
I think most of us are talking about drone flyers ,well at least iam. If they want to fly over a beach to get pics of the lady's with 50 or 60 pound airplanes ,let them take the heat for it. Sooner or later there are going to be some drone flying goof balls that mess it up in these others little drone world and i dont want my rc planes getting caught up in the crossfire. Their are drone forums and those of you who remember the ferrit ,thats where he went to so i rest my case about a goofball. joe

littlecrankshaf 02-12-2013 01:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: bradpaul

I can see it now.......... a RC License [img][/img]

What do you think? A beginners license, a advanced license? Then of course we would need endorsements .................. heli endorsement, multi engine endorsement, glider endorsement, 3D endorsement, Giant Scale endorsement, Nitro endorsement, electric endorsement, turbine endorsement, FPV endorsement........................ it might never end [img][/img]

With of course required training and a fee to cover the cost of administering the the licensing agency........ BUT WAIT now we would need a whole new cadre of field Nazis to check licenses and proper endorsements........................

YEAH WHAT A GREAT IDEA [img][/img]

What next a license decal on the plane showing taxes have been paid?

Brad
LOL... Maybe some cool patches to denote qualifications.

Sport_Pilot 02-12-2013 01:50 PM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 
While we are at it lets reduce teenage pregnancy by requiring a license on condoms! Gotta make sure they know how to use them! Ain't the govment grand!

HoundDog 02-12-2013 02:26 PM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 


ORIGINAL: bradpaul

I can see it now.......... a RC Licensehttp://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...y/msn/idea.gif

What do you think? A beginners license, a advanced license? Then of course we would need endorsements .................. heli endorsement, multi engine endorsement, glider endorsement, 3D endorsement, Giant Scale endorsement, Nitro endorsement, electric endorsement, turbine endorsement, FPV endorsement........................ it might never endhttp://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...n/drowning.gif

With of course required training and a fee to cover the cost of administering the the licensing agency........ BUT WAIT now we would need a whole new cadre of field Nazis to check licenses and proper endorsements........................

YEAH WHAT A GREAT IDEAhttp://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...ey/msn/lol.gif

What next a license decal on the plane showing taxes have been paid?

Brad
<span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;"><span style="font-size: medium;">If U fly at an AMA Sanctioned U already have a license it's your AMA Card for which U pay an annual fee ... At least that's what the Arizona Model Aviators in Mesa AZ call it. I call it an Insurance Card ... as for indorsements the AMA already does thet there is the CD endorsrment ... The Turbine Waver, and the overr 55 Lbs waiver. Each for which U must prove your compitance and knowledge and prove the model is air worthy.
The major Problem is that WE as modelers do not get lumped in with the people flying RC / Drones for Profit. That's where the AMA comes to the party with their exemction for a National Comunity Based Orginiztion with a set of self imposed for a designated flying area namely our AMA Sanctionse flying fields. Still it is a good idea that people that want to fly st sn AMA field, be checked out by a compentant Desiginated Club Instrudtor/exzminer before being allowed to fly for saftys sake at least .... and again some people should be required to demonstrate their skill more often ... and U all know WHO(YOU/THEY) ARE ........
</span></span> JMHO ........


joebahl 02-12-2013 02:28 PM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 


ORIGINAL: Sport_Pilot

While we are at it lets reduce teenage pregnancy by requiring a license on condoms! Gotta make sure they know how to use them! Ain't the govment grand!
I could understand you not wanting your daughters boyfriend to use a condem but how would you feel about a 60 pound airplane crashing into her bedroom. :D joe

cj_rumley 02-12-2013 02:36 PM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 


ORIGINAL: Sport_Pilot

While we are at it lets reduce teenage pregnancy by requiring a license on condoms! Gotta make sure they know how to use them! Ain't the govment grand!
LOL!

May seem like a good idea to some, but it won't work.
Gummit says getting married requires a license. Fewer than half of marriages succeed/endure and many end in a train wreck.

I rest my case.

joebahl 02-12-2013 03:02 PM

RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
 

ORIGINAL: cj_rumley



ORIGINAL: Sport_Pilot

While we are at it lets reduce teenage pregnancy by requiring a license on condoms! Gotta make sure they know how to use them! Ain't the govment grand!
LOL!

May seem like a good idea to some, but it won't work.
Gummit says getting married requires a license. Fewer than half of marriages succeed/endure and many end in a train wreck.

I rest my case.

I was in the lucky percent that did not succeed and was married to the sneeky troll for 23 years. I got the house and the kids after the 2 year divorce was all over and no more marriage for me ,i learned my lesson. :D joe


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