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Originally Posted by porcia83
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Lol...of course...a one off event like this will most likely result in a govt worker arriving at THAT conclusion. Too funny.
"In 2014, there were four known instances of drones interfering with aerial firefighting operations" http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechc...f-firefighters "FAA probes drone near miss with Reno Firefighting helicopter" http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-cou...ighting-copter And now this. Five events that interfere with events that put people and millions in property at risk are hardly "one off". |
Originally Posted by rcmiket
(Post 12227358)
Thought registration fixed all that and everyone's now a AMA member following the rules.
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Originally Posted by franklin_m
(Post 12227372)
Yeah, and it runs the risk of someone in government saying that "this self regulation thing clearly isn't working."
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Originally Posted by franklin_m
(Post 12227395)
This is hardly a one off event:
"In 2014, there were four known instances of drones interfering with aerial firefighting operations" http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechc...f-firefighters "FAA probes drone near miss with Reno Firefighting helicopter" http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-cou...ighting-copter And now this. Five events that interfere with events that put people and millions in property at risk are hardly "one off". |
Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
(Post 12227406)
Every commercial airliner flying over/into any major airport everyday puts people and millions in property at risk.
We're talking about specific examples where drones have repeatedly impacted firefighting efforts, in this latest case resulting in evacuations that likely would not have been needed had the firefighting aircraft not been grounded due to drone activity. |
All the other Drone flights that caused air tankers to cease operations happened 2 years ago ... Before the public at large really realized that that flying near natural disasters might interfere with emergency operations. Now we have one indecent with Millions of Quads out there. Even Drone sightings around airports seems to be way way down from just a year ago. Congress can't even figure out what their going to do about Drones and R/C. Till they do I believe that if we stay on the reservation and
.Just fly Like U always did, Keep out of the way, and all will be OK. |
Originally Posted by franklin_m
(Post 12227422)
Not what we're talking about.
Originally Posted by franklin_m
(Post 12227395)
events that put people and millions in property at risk
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Originally Posted by franklin_m
(Post 12227395)
This is hardly a one off event:
"In 2014, there were four known instances of drones interfering with aerial firefighting operations" http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechc...f-firefighters "FAA probes drone near miss with Reno Firefighting helicopter" http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-cou...ighting-copter And now this. Five events that interfere with events that put people and millions in property at risk are hardly "one off". You have more of a chance causing damage flying your heli in a park as a drone has of hitting a plane. |
Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
(Post 12227489)
Reply based on statement made.
Oh, and airliners are a pretty safe bet here in the US. According to USDOT, in 2015, part 121 carriers flew 6,992,575 flights that started and terminated in the US. They carried 638,272,916 passengers. Zero fatalities. In fact, according to NTSB only 58 injuries of all types. So, that's a 0.0000000908 rate for even a bump on the head. Oh, and in 2014, also zero fatal mishaps. Risk of airliners flying over major cities has been, for two years, zero. |
Originally Posted by porcia83
(Post 12227511)
Would two or four off be better? Cherry pick til you're hearts content....here's a stat to work on. Take the number of commercial flights per year and match that up against all of the alleged "sightings" over the past 3 years. What's the percentage?
You have more of a chance causing damage flying your heli in a park as a drone has of hitting a plane. |
Originally Posted by franklin_m
(Post 12227516)
Tell that to the people who lost their homes as a result of wildfire fighting efforts being shut down. Or tell it to the firefighters who now have to work that much harder because drones shut down air support.
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Originally Posted by porcia83
(Post 12227544)
The sun will come up...tomorrow, bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow.....:o
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Originally Posted by porcia83
(Post 12227544)
The sun will come up...tomorrow, bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow.....:o
Wow, my 8th grade graduation song.... |
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Originally Posted by franklin_m
(Post 12227515)
Comment made with respect to interfering with wildfire fighting efforts.
Oh, and airliners are a pretty safe bet here in the US. According to USDOT, in 2015, part 121 carriers flew 6,992,575 flights that started and terminated in the US. They carried 638,272,916 passengers. Zero fatalities. In fact, according to NTSB only 58 injuries of all types. So, that's a 0.0000000908 rate for even a bump on the head. Oh, and in 2014, also zero fatal mishaps. Risk of airliners flying over major cities has been, for two years, zero. |
Originally Posted by franklin_m
(Post 12227550)
May I suggest putting that in a letter to the Utah Governor, perhaps include something about it being a "one off" event?
Correct me if I'm wrong ... but stats show there's on average a 95% survival rate when an AIRLINER HITS THE GROUND AT DAMN NEAR MACH....who believes this dribble ?? This shi't never left he ground... worst "air" disaster known to man...run way incursion shi't... tell me again how a 3 or 4 b quad can cause such havic... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sBQXS9Fn-g |
Originally Posted by franklin_m
(Post 12227515)
Comment made with respect to interfering with wildfire fighting efforts.
Oh, and airliners are a pretty safe bet here in the US. According to USDOT, in 2015, part 121 carriers flew 6,992,575 flights that started and terminated in the US. They carried 638,272,916 passengers. Zero fatalities. In fact, according to NTSB only 58 injuries of all types. So, that's a 0.0000000908 rate for even a bump on the head. Oh, and in 2014, also zero fatal mishaps. Risk of airliners flying over major cities has been, for two years, zero. Is the comment above with respect to firefighting efforts? It's interesting how you used such a small dataset in your statistics. A quick search shows there have been several firefighting incidents not involving sUAS interference. http://wildfiretoday.com/2012/07/18/...crash-of-2002/ http://www.firefighternation.com/art...irtanker-crash |
Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
(Post 12227609)
A quick search shows there have been several firefighting incidents not involving sUAS interference.
http://wildfiretoday.com/2012/07/18/...crash-of-2002/ http://www.firefighternation.com/art...irtanker-crash |
Originally Posted by wahoo
(Post 12227606)
Correct me if I'm wrong ... but stats show there's on average a 95% survival rate when an AIRLINER HITS THE GROUND AT DAMN NEAR MACH....who believes this dribble ??
This shi't never left he ground... worst "air" disaster known to man...run way incursion shi't... tell me again how a 3 or 4 b quad can cause such havic... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sBQXS9Fn-g Look it up for yourself: T-100 dataset for number of flights and passengers can be found here: http://www.transtats.bts.gov/Tables....Air%20Carriers Number of injuries can be found here: http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/index.aspx All fields default setting except these - Event Start Date:1/1/2015 Event End Date: 12/31/2015 Country: United States Operation: Part 121: Air Carrier |
Originally Posted by franklin_m
(Post 12227627)
It's hazardous enough already, which is why drones interfering with these operations puts all sorts of people at risk. Airborne tankers are sometimes the only way to control a fast moving fire in remote areas. Having operations shut down due to some idiot flying a sUAS can quite easily have grave consequences.
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Originally Posted by franklin_m
(Post 12227627)
It's hazardous enough already, which is why drones interfering with these operations puts all sorts of people at risk. Airborne tankers are sometimes the only way to control a fast moving fire in remote areas. Having operations shut down due to some idiot flying a sUAS can quite easily have grave consequences.
So how about some relative stats. How many flights this year have involved firefighting stateside? Thousands and thousands no? How many have involved drones? A few? I left my abacus at home so can't crunch the digits, but gotta imagine the # is infinitesimally small. If there was actually an incursion and a person was caught, they need to be dealt with as harshly as possible, made an example of, and have that publicized as much as possible. That's something I'd have no problem telling to the 'guvna |
Originally Posted by porcia83
(Post 12227649)
Agree that it's very hazardous. But once again you use almost one off situations to over dramatisize something...and end with "ya tell that to the firefighters...or insert someone else here..".
So how about some relative stats. How many flights this year have involved firefighting stateside? Thousands and thousands no? How many have involved drones? A few? I left my abacus at home so can't crunch the digits, but gotta imagine the # is infinitesimally small. If there was actually an incursion and a person was caught, they need to be dealt with as harshly as possible, made an example of, and have that publicized as much as possible. That's something I'd have no problem telling to the 'guvna http://www.tmz.com/2016/06/19/johnny...lice-premiere/ |
Originally Posted by porcia83
(Post 12227649)
Agree that it's very hazardous. But once again you use almost one off situations to over dramatisize something...and end with "ya tell that to the firefighters...or insert someone else here..".
So how about some relative stats. How many flights this year have involved firefighting stateside? Thousands and thousands no? How many have involved drones? A few? I left my abacus at home so can't crunch the digits, but gotta imagine the # is infinitesimally small. If there was actually an incursion and a person was caught, they need to be dealt with as harshly as possible, made an example of, and have that publicized as much as possible. That's something I'd have no problem telling to the 'guvna |
Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
(Post 12227646)
No one has said it isn't a serious issue, but the sensationalism some folks lavish in over isolated incidents is overwhelming.
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http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/imag...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/imag...post-right.png
No one has said it isn't a serious issue, but the sensationalism some folks lavish in over isolated incidents is overwhelming.
Originally Posted by franklin_m
(Post 12227815)
Are you saying the Governor of Utah is sensationalizing this latest event?
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Originally Posted by franklin_m
(Post 12227815)
Are you saying the Governor of Utah is sensationalizing this latest event?
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