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billinpa 03-02-2016 10:35 AM

asked for numbers
 
My r/c field is near a full scale general aviation airport, my planes are all numbered and no one has asked to see my FAA card or AMA info. I've flown a few times since the law went into effect. Have any of you guys been approached and asked for documentation?

Bill

raptureboy 03-02-2016 11:59 AM

If I only had a field to fly from I would be happy to show my numbers:( Our club lost its field and now we are on the hunt. I can't imagine the men in black will be spending much time checking out club fields. They will be looking out for rouge droners in cities and parks and near airports.

porcia83 03-02-2016 12:53 PM

None on this area, and I doubt there will be. The only references I've seen here or on RCG is from a member in CA who notes that the FAA has been visiting their club on an almost weekly basis for the past two months. It's a pretty odd thing for them to be doing that over and over to one club, clearly an anomaly. I doubt you'll see affirmative actions on behalf of the FAA, rather most of the involvement you will see is from local LE. Depending on what they see, the FAA might be involved. They have far bigger fish to fry, but if someone goes out of their way to do something stupid I'm willing to bet the FAA will be involved, and based on what happened, might be looking to make an example of someone. I wouldn't want to be the first.

Granpooba 03-02-2016 01:47 PM

Received an email from one of our clubs officers the other day, requesting my FAA number for the clubs " Data Bank ".

I sent back an email asking him if he wanted my FAA Airline Transport Certificate number, or the stupid FAA number that allows me to fly RC models.

I also reminded him that as far as the information that I have been supplied with, only an FAA Inspector has the authority to ask me for my FAA number. I also stated, that if I go to the club field to fly a model and somebody asks me to provide my FAA number or show them the number on my model, that they had very well better produce FAA credentials before hand.

P.S. Not to ruffle any feathers, I did provide him with my FAA number for the Data Bank. At my age why ruffle any feathers ? But then again, at my age, why not ruffle a lot of feathers ! :o :p

porcia83 03-02-2016 01:52 PM

Yolo!

TampaRC 03-02-2016 05:37 PM

NAZIS also asked for papers.

porcia83 03-03-2016 03:42 AM

seems like a reasonable comparison.

rcmiket 03-03-2016 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by billinpa (Post 12184406)
My r/c field is near a full scale general aviation airport, my planes are all numbered and no one has asked to see my FAA card or AMA info. I've flown a few times since the law went into effect. Have any of you guys been approached and asked for documentation?

Bill

No.
Mike

Desertlakesflying 03-03-2016 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by raptureboy (Post 12184436)
If I only had a field to fly from I would be happy to show my numbers:( Our club lost its field and now we are on the hunt. I can't imagine the men in black will be spending much time checking out club fields. They will be looking out for rouge droners in cities and parks and near airports.

I doubt that. That requires work. Something bureaucrats are hardly likely to do.

Desertlakesflying 03-03-2016 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by TampaRC (Post 12184567)
NAZIS also asked for papers.

Not many people have a problem with this beginning again these days

Granpooba 03-03-2016 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by Desertlakesflying (Post 12184833)
Not many people have a problem with this beginning again these days

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, are you talking about Trump ? LOL :rolleyes:

Aquila1954 03-03-2016 03:41 PM

The club I belong to is 8.5 miles from a airport, and it doesn't even have a control tower. I fly out in the country. No worries for me.

Granpooba 03-03-2016 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by Aquila1954 (Post 12184975)
The club I belong to is 8.5 miles from a airport, and it doesn't even have a control tower. I fly out in the country. No worries for me.

One of the clubs that I belong to actually uses the dirt strip at an out in the country airport. Never had a problem and the town welcomes the club with open arms. :)

dryverman 03-04-2016 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by Granpooba (Post 12184491)
Received an email from one of our clubs officers the other day, requesting my FAA number for the clubs " Data Bank ".

I sent back an email asking him if he wanted my FAA Airline Transport Certificate number, or the stupid FAA number that allows me to fly RC models.

I also reminded him that as far as the information that I have been supplied with, only an FAA Inspector has the authority to ask me for my FAA number. I also stated, that if I go to the club field to fly a model and somebody asks me to provide my FAA number or show them the number on my model, that they had very well better produce FAA credentials before hand.

P.S. Not to ruffle any feathers, I did provide him with my FAA number for the Data Bank. At my age why ruffle any feathers ? But then again, at my age, why not ruffle a lot of feathers ! :o :p

According to the UAS enforcement laws...federal, state, or local law enforcement can request to see your registration certificate...

Granpooba 03-04-2016 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by dryverman (Post 12185224)
According to the UAS enforcement laws...federal, state, or local law enforcement can request to see your registration certificate...

That is fine with me, just show me your credentials first ! If you do not have any, just keep walking !

mongo 03-06-2016 06:45 PM

probably a better thread to put tjis in, but i am here, so...

While at the San Angelo, TX indoor fly in over the 4th-5th-6th of march, we got word from folks left behind in Odessa, TX, that, on saturday the 5th, the propbuster field had been visited by FAA folks and they did more than just check for registration. Cited 2 or more, for exceeding 400 ft agl and gave someone else a warning about not being registered yet. Now, this is all second hand information, even if from a most trusted source, so do yer own fact checking.

porcia83 03-07-2016 03:44 AM

Would love to hear from these folks, how the FAA randomly selected this field, and how the determined that 400ft level was "broken", even more so since we are allowed as AMA members to do so.

BarracudaHockey 03-07-2016 04:45 AM


Originally Posted by mongo (Post 12186152)
probably a better thread to put tjis in, but i am here, so...

While at the San Angelo, TX indoor fly in over the 4th-5th-6th of march, we got word from folks left behind in Odessa, TX, that, on saturday the 5th, the propbuster field had been visited by FAA folks and they did more than just check for registration. Cited 2 or more, for exceeding 400 ft agl and gave someone else a warning about not being registered yet. Now, this is all second hand information, even if from a most trusted source, so do yer own fact checking.

I'd like to see the real details considering there is no law they can cite against for 400 feet, and or, how did they determine it.

rcmiket 03-07-2016 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by mongo (Post 12186152)
probably a better thread to put tjis in, but i am here, so...

While at the San Angelo, TX indoor fly in over the 4th-5th-6th of march, we got word from folks left behind in Odessa, TX, that, on saturday the 5th, the propbuster field had been visited by FAA folks and they did more than just check for registration. Cited 2 or more, for exceeding 400 ft agl and gave someone else a warning about not being registered yet. Now, this is all second hand information, even if from a most trusted source, so do yer own fact checking.

I can't find a thing about this. Seems like this happening would make at least one of the forums. I realize that not everyone posts on theses but come on this would be a really big deal along with big news to all modelers (if it actually happened). I promise right now that if we ever get a visit I'll not only post video I'll post a copy of my citation. While I'm registered I'm not putting that stuff in my planes. No reason short of I just don't feel like it.

Checked a bit more and I can't even find a FAA "office" even close to Midland / Odessa. Seems like if the FEDs wanted to mess with someone wouldn't they pick somewhere there's actually a FAA Office? Here in El Paso the closest FAA guy is in Albuquerque.

Mike

Sport_Pilot 03-07-2016 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by dryverman (Post 12185224)
According to the UAS enforcement laws...federal, state, or local law enforcement can request to see your registration certificate...


There are no such UAS enforcement laws. In fact it may be unconstitutional for such law to say as much. You can refuse to show to local enforcement without a warrant, not sure about FAA.

Sport_Pilot 03-07-2016 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by mongo (Post 12186152)
probably a better thread to put tjis in, but i am here, so...

While at the San Angelo, TX indoor fly in over the 4th-5th-6th of march, we got word from folks left behind in Odessa, TX, that, on saturday the 5th, the propbuster field had been visited by FAA folks and they did more than just check for registration. Cited 2 or more, for exceeding 400 ft agl and gave someone else a warning about not being registered yet. Now, this is all second hand information, even if from a most trusted source, so do yer own fact checking.

Where is this? Their is a "Propbusters" club in San Antonio but not Odessa. There is a "Propbusters" in San Antonio but they have two fields, one right at a full scale airport. So the FAA inspectors were probably noticing model airplanes at the airport.

mongo 03-07-2016 10:51 AM

a zip code search of clubs for 79762reveals that,
those guys went and changed the name of the club sometime in the 18 or so years since i was a member there.
try "permian basin model airplane club".
no idea when or why the change was made.
we have always just called them the "odessa club".

dryverman 03-07-2016 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot (Post 12186298)
There are no such UAS enforcement laws. In fact it may be unconstitutional for such law to say as much. You can refuse to show to local enforcement without a warrant, not sure about FAA.

Then explain to me your interpretation of the "Law Enforcement Reference Card" found on the FAA UAS website "Law Enforcement Resources" section. You might also want to read the FAQ's
on the same page.

Sport_Pilot 03-07-2016 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by dryverman (Post 12186413)
Then explain to me your interpretation of the "Law Enforcement Reference Card" found on the FAA UAS website "Law Enforcement Resources" section. You might also want to read the FAQ's
on the same page.

They may ask the local police to ask you for this but you do not have to provide such. Only a warrant will allow them to. Not saying it is wise to resist, but there is no law that says they must ask nor any law that says you must comply. The FAA is not a law enforcement division, and their jurisdiction is only on certified pilots and registered aircraft. The local police do not have jurisdiction and of course may ask, but you do not have to provide. In short a "Law Enforcement Reference Card", is not law or regulation.

mongo 03-07-2016 07:27 PM

they got a facebook page,
pbmac
some of the post on there are explaining a lot.


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