Originally Posted by astrohog (Post 12779593)

I don't understand why the AMA was initially so secretive and tight-lipped about FRIA's. Seems to me that being granted FRIA status would be the single biggest reason to be an AMA member to come along in decades and that would be impetus for the biggest marketing campaign by the AMA. Maybe I'm weird....

Astro

Originally Posted by franklin_m (Post 12779487)

Truth? How about AMA expenses exceeding revenue in 13 of the last 20 years, with net loss of over $3 million.

Boy, that EC is doing a great job running the organization ... into the ground!

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 12779604)

Does AMA need to make changes? Absolutely they do. I have never disagreed with that. Will you ever be able to persuade them to change?

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 12779604)

That said, there will always be enough “ core members “ that will provide AMA with enough revenue to survive.

Originally Posted by franklin_m (Post 12779608)

And yet even a casual examination of the EC minutes show they consistently do more of the same and hope for a different result. And despite that, acolytes like you continue to vote for them. They don't want to change. They can't even conceive of it.


Yet for over a decade now you have been using RCU and RCG as a platform to tell us the same thing over and over and over. Worse yet is the fact that it’s not anything that we are not aware of. Hell, 40 years ago guys were complaining about the AMA and we just shrugged our shoulders and carried on. How is you repeating the same thing over and over any different then the AMA doing the same thing over and over, both hoping for a different outcome?


In a technical sense, that's true. But what shape/form will that core be? Sooner or later the turbine guys are gonna get fed up with the EC and break off on their own. Much like what happened in the PAC 12 yesterday, there comes a point where groups start leaving rapidly. Especially when the EC keeps a significant amount of funding flowing to "Taj-Munice" - which overwhelming majority of members never use.

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 12779625)

Yet for over a decade now you have been using RCU and RCG as a platform to tell us the same thing over and over and over. Worse yet is the fact that it’s not anything that we are not aware of. Hell, 40 years ago guys were complaining about the AMA and we just shrugged our shoulders and carried on. How is you repeating the same thing over and over any different then the AMA doing the same thing over and over, both hoping for a different outcome?

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 12779625)

Please show any evidence of the NSRCA, LSF, NMPRA , IMAC or JPO has any intention of abandoning AMA. In fact JPO supports AMA on their home page.

Originally Posted by franklin_m (Post 12779633)

And yet the continue their downward trend. Overhead consuming ever greater percentage of dwindling revenue. Dues increases produce only short term revenue increases. Advertising is cratering. Magazine continues to lose money. I'd predict they'll soon start a desperate search for grants. But who's gonna give huge dollars to an organization with such a declining interest base.

But hey, you're doing your part. You keep CD-ing those events. With event sanctions making up just 5% of their revenue, you've got a lot of work to do.




No "Contrails" since 2016. Membership list shows everyone expired in 2016.

Sure looks like it hasn't been updated in years. Of course you checked that first .... or didn't ... apparently.

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 12779636)

And the others? You seem to base all your assumptions on single events.

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 12779644)

Pac12 is irrelevant. No comment about NSRCA, LSF, NMPRA and IMAC? Show some basis on your assumption that these SIGs are going to dump AMA.

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 12779651)

Irrelevant. Show me something tangible if you can.

Originally Posted by franklin_m (Post 12779654)

Tangible?

AMA lost money in 14 of the last 21 years under the wise stewardship of the EC. Net losses over $3 million (so far).

Originally Posted by franklin_m (Post 12779654)

Tangible?

AMA lost money in 14 of the last 21 years under the wise stewardship of the EC. Net losses over $3 million (so far).

Originally Posted by ElectriMan (Post 12779695)

So it will be difficult to decide between Flite Test and Spektrum RID module because they are so much alike, both design and cost. :)

Originally Posted by Dick T. (Post 12779701)

Probably coming out of the same Chinese factory so any differences will be negligible. Spektrum and Futaba engineers likely designed their own but once manufacturing begins the back door stuff and copies flow too.

The European designed version advertised in AMA mag had an introductory price around $60.00 but soon went back up around $100.00. That is going to be the price point until sales and/or demand diminish.

Locally a bunch of fellows neither belong to clubs (FRIA) nor will use RID so, as an indicator, I think demand will peter out once the flyers wanting to be legal make purchases.

Originally Posted by ElectriMan (Post 12779702)

Flite Test is made in USA. .

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 12779711)

Don’t count on it.

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 12779711)

Don’t count on it.

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 12779710)

I want to see the look on Franks face when he realizes there will be clubs that won’t apply for a FRIA nor will they require members to use a module.

Originally Posted by astrohog (Post 12779952)

Originally Posted by franklin_m (Post 12779956)

It won’t be a look of shock that’s for sure. In fact I fully expect it.

But ask yourself what happens when DHS and other similarly less than sympathetic agencies find out about these cases? All it does is hand them a stick to beat both FAA and AMA. And what will DHS et all say?

“See, we told you so. Self regulation by AMA doesn’t work and the FAA’s FRIA option is being abused. So DHS needs additional tools to ensure protection of people and critical infrastructure.”

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 12779959)

Interesting, but I am still somewhat skeptical. For that price I don’t think it can be made in the US.