New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub
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Capt Cash, I should clarify I was using a heat gun and pointing it through the tubes. It is likely only a ball-park temperature and that means probably lower than actual. Your use of temperature sensors will be more accurate as it will show real time. Even though I have gun in hand and start checking as soon as I can after killing the engine, it is still a surface reading and varies by where it is pointed.
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Capt Cash, I should clarify I was using a heat gun and pointing it through the tubes. It is likely only a ball-park temperature and that means probably lower than actual. Your use of temperature sensors will be more accurate as it will show real time. Even though I have gun in hand and start checking as soon as I can after killing the engine, it is still a surface reading and varies by where it is pointed.
My setup cost about $60 and then $10 for each additional temperature loop which allows me to transfer the data logger device between planes. However, there are much cheaper and simpler onboard digital models too that record just the max temp reached during the flight and nothing else.
I've read our small 2-stroke gassers can run 300F all day long, I think it's around 350F when things start wearing out a little more quickly! I always thought it would be neat to have a cylinder head temp recording system on a chainsaw that gets hard use for hours on end, it would likely show some surprisingly high numbers I bet.
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Alcuy,
You discussed in previous posts how you cut the exhaust pipes to fit the cowl and that VVRC included some hoses and clamps to do this. I noticed however that they did not include any such extension tubes or clamps with the shipment of my engine. Are they the standard type of stainless hose clamps? From your pics it looks like you've elongated the exhaust holes in the cowl in order to access the clamps with a wrench?
Also, did you run into any issues with the throttle linkage? The included longer arm is nice, but with the way the carb is placed on the engine, in order to put the throttle pushrod linkage inline with the movement of the arm would require a hole in the firewall right up against the standoff or only about a 1/4" away. It seems very close but I suppose this will be fine as I plan to beef up the firewall anyway. Where did you mount the servo? I was planning to put mine beside the fuel tank but it looks to be a lot of work just getting in there. BTW, your choke rod install looks really cool too! Thanks for posting.
For anybody else interested in using this engine, I can confirm as Alcuy has that if you plan to cut exhaust holes only in the cowl, it will absolutely not work unless the pipes are cut down significantly shorter. So it's either that or cutting the cowl from the back all the way up to the pipes. I feel this could be done in a U-shape while leaving the air induction globe in place on the cowl but it may look a little more odd.
I've also noticed that the exhaust stacks are offset by 5/8" fore and aft I guess? Not really a big deal but every other gas twin I've seen has the mufflers designed to where the stacks are evenly placed directly across from each other.
You discussed in previous posts how you cut the exhaust pipes to fit the cowl and that VVRC included some hoses and clamps to do this. I noticed however that they did not include any such extension tubes or clamps with the shipment of my engine. Are they the standard type of stainless hose clamps? From your pics it looks like you've elongated the exhaust holes in the cowl in order to access the clamps with a wrench?
Also, did you run into any issues with the throttle linkage? The included longer arm is nice, but with the way the carb is placed on the engine, in order to put the throttle pushrod linkage inline with the movement of the arm would require a hole in the firewall right up against the standoff or only about a 1/4" away. It seems very close but I suppose this will be fine as I plan to beef up the firewall anyway. Where did you mount the servo? I was planning to put mine beside the fuel tank but it looks to be a lot of work just getting in there. BTW, your choke rod install looks really cool too! Thanks for posting.
For anybody else interested in using this engine, I can confirm as Alcuy has that if you plan to cut exhaust holes only in the cowl, it will absolutely not work unless the pipes are cut down significantly shorter. So it's either that or cutting the cowl from the back all the way up to the pipes. I feel this could be done in a U-shape while leaving the air induction globe in place on the cowl but it may look a little more odd.
I've also noticed that the exhaust stacks are offset by 5/8" fore and aft I guess? Not really a big deal but every other gas twin I've seen has the mufflers designed to where the stacks are evenly placed directly across from each other.
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Finally I am done under the cowl. Everything is about as good as a first pass can make it since this VVRC 40 is not part of the suggested equipment for this airplane. Attached is a picture of the underside showing the tank vent, fueling valve, exhaust ports and the choke rod. Then I took a nose-on shot without the prop. Which reminds me, I should be getting a couple of props in the mail pretty soon. The picture of the nose looks pretty clean.
Now I need to glue the brace back on and I can put the windows in. I also need to put the forward bulkhead in to hold the tank and batteries in the nose. Oh yes, also I need to install the instrument panel! With all that done, it will be time to figure out what I need to do to balance this puppy. I have a feeling it will be a tad tail-heavy but we'll see.
Al
Now I need to glue the brace back on and I can put the windows in. I also need to put the forward bulkhead in to hold the tank and batteries in the nose. Oh yes, also I need to install the instrument panel! With all that done, it will be time to figure out what I need to do to balance this puppy. I have a feeling it will be a tad tail-heavy but we'll see.
Al
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I have a new, unused, set of wings for the SuperCub for sale. Each of them have a broken rib which doesn't seem to affect strength. Both include hatch covers, but only the left wing has the aileron and flap. Let me know,if you are interested.
Thanks, Jason
Thanks, Jason
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I wondered if I could ask a couple of questions about your G26 install. Just finished putting one in my Cub. Did you use the velocity stack included with the engine? Did you cut a hole in the cowl for carb air intake. I'm having a little problem with the engine dying on final and I wonder if the cowl shielding is part of the problem. It idles all day on the ground. Any thoughts would be helpful. Also do you happen to know the spark plug gap setting for a G26? Looked everywhere for it.
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I am currently running three G26's .One on my Hanger 9 PA18 , one on a Hanger 9 Taylor Craft and one on a 1/4 scale J 3 . None with a velocity stack . I don't have a hole cut in the cowl of my PA18 for the carb intake and it works fine . I did have a lot of trouble with one of my carbs in the beginning though until I sent it in and it was discovered there was a minor imperfection in the insulator block causing an air leak . The plugs come pre gaped and should be .017 of an inch . I just measured several plugs out in my shop to determine this . They were all the same .
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Something else that has come to mind is that you might want to switch to a NGK CM 6 plug if you haven't already . they are much better than the plugs that come with the motors . I just looked in my Service Manual that comes with the G26 and it says the plug gap should be 0.6 to 0.7 mm with the limit at 0.7 .. This is basically the same as what I gave you in thousands..
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vetter 63 I was looking back over your posts and realized you might be talking about a J3 cowl . if you are asking about a J3 cowl you will need to cut a hole in the cowl for the carb to stick out .The J3 cowl is a lot narrower than the PA 18 cowl . I think I would try the velocity stack . If you don't like it you can always remove it .
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You are going to have lots of fun with your PA 18 . It is one of the nicest ARFs I have ever put together . I am really enjoying it . It fly's beautifully with the G26 . I think it is a perfect match . Keep us informed how you make out with yours .. Maybe you just need to give it a few more clicks of throttle trim .. Are you using your throttle cut off ? Did you undo the spring on the carb ? I undid mine though they tell you not to . You need to get at least a gallon of gas through the G26 before it is broken in . Is yours still spitting out black goo ? The one on my PA18 is still making a black mess on the bottom of my plane . . Watch your landing gear . Mine broke loose on the right side and needed some repairs .
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I have less than a gallon run thru it and, yes, it's spitting black goo like mad. Is that normal during break in? I disconnected the throttle return spring. I do use throttle cut to kill the engine.
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I just maidened mine a few days ago. Fly very well with only a few clicks of down trim. On takeoff it has a little tendency to climb fast so easy on up elevator. I'm still playing with flap adjustments. You'll need 15-20% down elevator to compensate when flaps are deployed. Other than that it flies really well.
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You really don't need any flaps to fly this plane . I would fly the maiden with out them . After you become comfortable with the plane and have it trimmed out then I would start playing with the flaps . You will find that unless you mix some down elevator in with your flaps the plane will have a tendency to pitch up . I use a little more than vetter63 ,I think I have mine set at 15-and 30% But this is a personal prefrance you will need to find on your own . It will depend on your landing speed and flap settings .
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You have done a beautiful job producing your video . You fly your Cub like a master . Its nice to watch . In Canada and USA the marker lights are red on the left side and green on the right side . The original instructions were wrong and since have been ammended . How do you like your DX9 ? I have the DX8 and am thinking of up grading ..
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Thanks! Wanted to share how nice she takes off & lands. Great airplane!
This is my first giant scale airframe, so it went together "by the book". After doing so, I was told the book was wrong. Perhaps one day, I'll pull it apart and change the nav lights, but that's a fair amount of work!
Love the DX9! In fact, I 'downgraded' from the 18QQ because I don't need that many channels for the simple stuff I fly and I love the spoken switch settings, telemetry values and timers.
Cheers
This is my first giant scale airframe, so it went together "by the book". After doing so, I was told the book was wrong. Perhaps one day, I'll pull it apart and change the nav lights, but that's a fair amount of work!
Love the DX9! In fact, I 'downgraded' from the 18QQ because I don't need that many channels for the simple stuff I fly and I love the spoken switch settings, telemetry values and timers.
Cheers
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Yes you are right , that would be a lot of work to change the lights , plus you would need to destroy what you have and purchase new stuff .I doubt you could save what you have .I bet horizion would replace it for you for free if you call and ask them . They are fantastic about stuff like that . I almost got caught with the same thing myself . We get used to trusting the instructions to be right .Your lights are much brighter than mine though , they must be aftermarket . I am surprized how well you fly being that is your first giant scale airframe . It is a very nice handling plane and you have done a beautiful job with it . ARFs have come a long way . What do you have in it for power ?
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Thanks!
Here's the setup -
- Tacon Bigfoot 160 on 10S
- Castle HV80
- APC 19x10, also Xoar 19x10
- ElectroDynamics LED's (landing lights mixed w/landing flaps)
- AirTop 180 (7") tundra tires
- AUW 20.9 lbs
If I had a 'do over', I would go with the Tacon Bigfoot 110 on 8S. Saves both weight and $, and I have way more than enough power!
Cheers
Here's the setup -
- Tacon Bigfoot 160 on 10S
- Castle HV80
- APC 19x10, also Xoar 19x10
- ElectroDynamics LED's (landing lights mixed w/landing flaps)
- AirTop 180 (7") tundra tires
- AUW 20.9 lbs
If I had a 'do over', I would go with the Tacon Bigfoot 110 on 8S. Saves both weight and $, and I have way more than enough power!
Cheers
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Thanks! Wanted to share how nice she takes off & lands. Great airplane!
This is my first giant scale airframe, so it went together "by the book". After doing so, I was told the book was wrong. Perhaps one day, I'll pull it apart and change the nav lights, but that's a fair amount of work!
Love the DX9! In fact, I 'downgraded' from the 18QQ because I don't need that many channels for the simple stuff I fly and I love the spoken switch settings, telemetry values and timers.
Cheers
This is my first giant scale airframe, so it went together "by the book". After doing so, I was told the book was wrong. Perhaps one day, I'll pull it apart and change the nav lights, but that's a fair amount of work!
Love the DX9! In fact, I 'downgraded' from the 18QQ because I don't need that many channels for the simple stuff I fly and I love the spoken switch settings, telemetry values and timers.
Cheers
Anyway I've still a ways to go before completing this one, have lots of other projects going on. I hope to be done in few more months.
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Some engine pics to show the VVRC 40 twin. As installed, the stock spacers fit perfectly and the only required cowl cutouts are as shown for the exhausts. Access to the carb needles is through the left exhaust cutout.
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I am also installing nav and landing lights plus strobes. With all this wiring and the flap/aileron servos coming out of the wing, hooking everything up every time I want to fly would be quite an ordeal. I decided to simplify this and wired all connections to a DB15 connector, so when I slide the wing into position all electrical hook up perfectly. I am going to hide the wires with a cockpit kit of my own making. More pics to follow.
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