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Old 10-02-2003 | 02:59 PM
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Default Phoenix Sukhoi & Giles Setup

I know there are a couple of other posts talking about the Tower Pricing and flight results.

I'm hoping to get people to give data on setup in a fresh post of their planes including:

Engine, servos & locations, cg, Weight, flight performance etc.

I will have my Sukhoi next week and may put an OS 61 FX (one I have in my shop) and may move servos back to balance it out. Let me know your thoughts on these.

Any Tips/Tricks/tidbits to help us modelers (bargain finders) would be greatly appreciated.

Pictures are great too.

Thanks in advance
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Old 10-24-2003 | 02:19 PM
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I hope your approach works. Im planning to put a 65 LA in mine. Could make it a flying brick though. Good luck!
Old 10-24-2003 | 03:11 PM
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I have the Giles with an OS 61FX. It fits fine. You'll have to do a bit of cutting on the cowl, as it won't fit inside, but it's no big deal.

My giles flies fine. Landings are a bit fast, but it's no brick. I think it's just typical of an aerobatic model.

I'm using JR 911 mid size servos on the ailerons and elevator. They are mounted in the recommended places inside the plane. I'm using a JR mini 3121 for my throttle. I have a JR 9411 digital on my rudder. It's mounted upside down on the bottom of the plane in the tail. I have 2-56 kevlar pull-pull on it. DuBro pull-pull horn on the rudder.

RX is Hitec Supreme 8channel, mounted on the CG. Battery is 6V niMH 1000mah mounted in front of the CG next to the fuel tank. Fuel tank is DuBro 12oz.

RTF weight is 6lbs. 10oz.

Mine needs down thurst. Plane pulls towards the canopy in knife edge. Plane comes towards the canopy in vertical maneuvers. It also needs right thust.

This is most likely because of the 61FX on the nose. The engine puts out more thrust than was designed into the firewall. I'm sure this plane with a 46 wouldn't need any thrust adjustments.

Aileron rolls are lightening fast. Snaps are predictable and no overrotation was observed. Taxi and take-off was a bit squirrly.
Old 10-24-2003 | 04:08 PM
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My Sukhoi is powered with a TT pro .46, with a Tower Hobbies .46 muffler. No wheel pants, 3" Dubro lite wheels. Hitec hs425 servos on surfaces, Hitec HS422 servo on throttle. 4.8v 600mah pack. No additional weight needed to balance. Weight is somewhere between 5.5-6 lbs. Flies excellent scale aerobatics, but has limited vertical. Knife edge requires very little correction, not enough to warrant a change in engine thrust or radio mixing. Aileron rolls are fast and axial, snap rolls are very fast and tight. I did sort of a full speed blender with it.....it stayed together...airframe A-OK... I still can't get a good flat spin out of it, upright or inverted. Stall speed is surprisingly slow....it will float for a while just before touchdown.
I modified my cowl mounting a bit.....instead of 4 screws, I used 7, and I glued small 1/2" by 1/2" squares of 1/16" ply to the fuselage for something more for the cowl screws to bite into.
Old 10-24-2003 | 09:48 PM
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Default RE: Phoenix Sukhoi & Giles Setup

Try this thread( or two) on the Sukhoi:

http://www.rcmodelflying.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=27

While not exactly 61FXC, but engine mounting and throttle setup problems are are discussed.
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Pheonix Giles 202 converted to electric. Hacker B50-16L geared 3.5:1 turning a 14*10 APCE prop from 16 Sanyo HR-2600 cells. Radio gear is a JR S-PCM Rx, 2 HS-85's on aileron, 2 HS-5125 digitals on elevator and rudder mounted under the canopy area, Schultze 58bo ESC, 600 mah Rx pack. 7 pounds 9 ounces RTF.

Test flown ysterday, flies fine. Vertical is limited to 100-1500 feet so I need to up the power a bit. Probably try a 15*10 or change the gear ratio slightly. Very nice flying plane...
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Default RE: Phoenix Sukhoi & Giles Setup

Hope I can get some help on my Extra 300s.
My plans say 5 degrees right thurst seems a little much?
For know am going to use OS 46ax.

Thanks!!

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Old 11-17-2005 | 10:54 AM
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Default RE: Phoenix Sukhoi & Giles Setup

I'm flying the Giles G202 with almost the exact setup RcPilet is using. My rudder servo is in the tail section mounted on the side with a single pushrod setup. All servos are standard JR-507s. Rudder servo has the larger after market servo arm.
The OS .61SF w/Pitts muffler running an 11x6 wood prop. Futaba 7ch-FM RX with a stock 4.8volt-600mah battery to keep weight down. A single carbonfiber rod with split end rods for the elev. Everything lightly glassed with epoxy and cloth from the firewall back to the wing hold down. (Weakest part of the plane is between the fuel tank area and the cockpit.) Removed all objects of any weight including the dorky/heavy plastic pilot.
Weight is 6LBs 7oz. Rolls on high rates are an un-countable blur. Flys nice and light. Lands nice and slow for a low wing. Don't push it though,, it will tip stall at extreme low speeds.
All out horizontal performance and speed are not really that much better from the OS.46AX until you pull back and head upward. Then the .61 really makes a big differance. 61 has Unlimited vertical where as the .46 would stall above 600feet.
The added engine weight increases wing loading but doesn't seem to affect the flight handling that much IMO. Well,,, maybe some. I notice knife edges are not as smooth now with the .61. But the vertical power is well worth it.
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