Help me pick out my second between these two
07-09-2004 | 06:11 PM
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Help me pick out my second between these two
I have narrowed it down to 2 planes for my second plane. Either the GP Super Sportster or the Goldberg Tiger 2. I have about 6 gallons on my Nexstar and I'm ready for the next step.
07-09-2004 | 06:23 PM
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Neither one of those will fly anything like your Nexstar. If you are set on a low wing, you might want to try a four-star first. With it's big semi-symetrical wing, at least you won't have to learn to fly all over again.
Of the two your mentioned, the Tiger II is lighter and more forgiving. Both are much faster than your Nexstar. One of the new things you're going to have to learn is throttle management.
Jim
Of the two your mentioned, the Tiger II is lighter and more forgiving. Both are much faster than your Nexstar. One of the new things you're going to have to learn is throttle management.
Jim
07-09-2004 | 07:00 PM
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RE: Help me pick out my second between these two
I have both planes and after a while the 4* got a little boring, on the other hand I still have allot of fun with my Tiger 2. Just my opinion!
The Tiger was my 2 plane and has really tought me allot. Both planes are very good choices, I think the Tiger is very forgiving too.
anyways hope this helps
The Tiger was my 2 plane and has really tought me allot. Both planes are very good choices, I think the Tiger is very forgiving too.
anyways hope this helps
07-09-2004 | 07:13 PM
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RE: Help me pick out my second between these two
Man, I know the Four Star is a good choice. The tiger 2 is a good flyer and great second plane. The Super Sportster is a good second also. The thing I like about the Super Sportster is that I can order the replacement parts like my Nexstar. If I break a wing I can go to Tower and buy a wing. Man, I'm even more confused than ever!
07-09-2004 | 07:43 PM
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One of the benefits of the FourStar is that after you get used to it and it starts to get boring, you can cut one rib bay off each wing and it turns into a whole different airplane. A lot like the Tiger as a matter of fact.
You can buy parts from Sig too.
Jim
You can buy parts from Sig too.
Jim
07-09-2004 | 09:43 PM
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RE: Help me pick out my second between these two
ORIGINAL: RoNeRiC
I have narrowed it down to 2 planes for my second plane. Either the GP Super Sportster or the Goldberg Tiger 2. I have about 6 gallons on my Nexstar and I'm ready for the next step.
I have narrowed it down to 2 planes for my second plane. Either the GP Super Sportster or the Goldberg Tiger 2. I have about 6 gallons on my Nexstar and I'm ready for the next step.
It is a FUN plane to fly and you will not tire soon of its' potential...
07-09-2004 | 10:09 PM
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As long as we're confusing the guy with more planes, here's another suggestion: World Models Super Sports 40. About as fast as an Avistar, just as easy to fly and very easy to assemble. Plus WM has all the replacement parts available, should you break something past repairing. And at $99, won't break the bank. I'm flying mine with a ST .40, but have seen lots of them with .46 AX or FX, and that makes it a real rocket.
But the Skyraider Mach II is a great other choice, and you might as well make your second plane a taildragger..... gotta learn sooner or later!
Andy
But the Skyraider Mach II is a great other choice, and you might as well make your second plane a taildragger..... gotta learn sooner or later!
Andy
07-10-2004 | 08:21 AM
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RE: Help me pick out my second between these two
Ohyeah, Skyraider Mach II it is! 70$, damn, I could buy 2 of these for the price of a 4*. World Models sounds like they are good ARF's. I'm ordering tonight! should fly with my OS 46 form my nexstar or heck, might just buy a new engine to put on there. Already have my 7c so ready for the new plane! Thanks guys.
07-10-2004 | 01:04 PM
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The Super Sportster is a very fine flying Plane. It is a little fast, but stay out of the throttle and it will fly as slow as a Trainer until you get used to it, and then you will really enjoy its quickness, and agillity.
07-11-2004 | 12:02 AM
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RE: Help me pick out my second between these two
A651,
Try the WM Super Sports 40 with a Super Tigre G51 or an MVVS .49 (with mini pipe) and put the C of G back about 1/4 of an inch.
A lot of serious fun.
Try the WM Super Sports 40 with a Super Tigre G51 or an MVVS .49 (with mini pipe) and put the C of G back about 1/4 of an inch.
A lot of serious fun.
07-11-2004 | 12:27 AM
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RoNeRiC, I'll refrain from doing as others have done and trying to steer you away from the two planes you have mentioned. After all, everyone has their own personal opion of what is the perfect second plane and I'm sure you have considered others in the process of settling on the Tiger and Super Sportster. The Four Star is a great choice but not necessarily the best for everyone.
To me it would be better to ask you more about your current experience and how soon you plan on moving on to a low wing taildragger and leaving your trainer behind as well as how quickly you feel you are progressing. The reason I mention this is that some people simply learn faster than others and sometimes new flyers start asking about a second plane after flying for only a few weeks where others ask the same question after a few months. There are flyers out there who have actually learned on a Four Star or something similar so they aren't that hard to fly... Just different.
My point is if you have truly mastered your trainer one second plane may not give you enough room to grow than would another. For instance there have been individuals who went with a Four Star as their second plane but found it boring after a few weeks and found themself disappointed. On the other hand, some people simply can't wait to fly something other than a trainer and they make the jump too early which results in an early demise of their second plane and they have to go back to their trainer to keep flying.
Both your choices are good ones as far as second planes go. Give us a little more information on where you think you are at and how soon you plan on making the jump and maybe one of these planes will emerge as the clear choice.
To me it would be better to ask you more about your current experience and how soon you plan on moving on to a low wing taildragger and leaving your trainer behind as well as how quickly you feel you are progressing. The reason I mention this is that some people simply learn faster than others and sometimes new flyers start asking about a second plane after flying for only a few weeks where others ask the same question after a few months. There are flyers out there who have actually learned on a Four Star or something similar so they aren't that hard to fly... Just different.
My point is if you have truly mastered your trainer one second plane may not give you enough room to grow than would another. For instance there have been individuals who went with a Four Star as their second plane but found it boring after a few weeks and found themself disappointed. On the other hand, some people simply can't wait to fly something other than a trainer and they make the jump too early which results in an early demise of their second plane and they have to go back to their trainer to keep flying.
Both your choices are good ones as far as second planes go. Give us a little more information on where you think you are at and how soon you plan on making the jump and maybe one of these planes will emerge as the clear choice.
07-11-2004 | 12:35 AM
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I believe you have chosen two good planes but i also think the 4-star ARF is a good choice. It is very capable of even things like knife edge loops with enough power. It will take you farther than the other two, in my opinion.
07-11-2004 | 08:46 AM
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RE: Help me pick out my second between these two
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RoNeRiC, I'll refrain from doing as others have done and trying to steer you away from the two planes you have mentioned. After all, everyone has their own personal opion of what is the perfect second plane and I'm sure you have considered others in the process of settling on the Tiger and Super Sportster. The Four Star is a great choice but not necessarily the best for everyone.
To me it would be better to ask you more about your current experience and how soon you plan on moving on to a low wing taildragger and leaving your trainer behind as well as how quickly you feel you are progressing. The reason I mention this is that some people simply learn faster than others and sometimes new flyers start asking about a second plane after flying for only a few weeks where others ask the same question after a few months. There are flyers out there who have actually learned on a Four Star or something similar so they aren't that hard to fly... Just different.
My point is if you have truly mastered your trainer one second plane may not give you enough room to grow than would another. For instance there have been individuals who went with a Four Star as their second plane but found it boring after a few weeks and found themself disappointed. On the other hand, some people simply can't wait to fly something other than a trainer and they make the jump too early which results in an early demise of their second plane and they have to go back to their trainer to keep flying.
Both your choices are good ones as far as second planes go. Give us a little more information on where you think you are at and how soon you plan on making the jump and maybe one of these planes will emerge as the clear choice.
RoNeRiC, I'll refrain from doing as others have done and trying to steer you away from the two planes you have mentioned. After all, everyone has their own personal opion of what is the perfect second plane and I'm sure you have considered others in the process of settling on the Tiger and Super Sportster. The Four Star is a great choice but not necessarily the best for everyone.
To me it would be better to ask you more about your current experience and how soon you plan on moving on to a low wing taildragger and leaving your trainer behind as well as how quickly you feel you are progressing. The reason I mention this is that some people simply learn faster than others and sometimes new flyers start asking about a second plane after flying for only a few weeks where others ask the same question after a few months. There are flyers out there who have actually learned on a Four Star or something similar so they aren't that hard to fly... Just different.
My point is if you have truly mastered your trainer one second plane may not give you enough room to grow than would another. For instance there have been individuals who went with a Four Star as their second plane but found it boring after a few weeks and found themself disappointed. On the other hand, some people simply can't wait to fly something other than a trainer and they make the jump too early which results in an early demise of their second plane and they have to go back to their trainer to keep flying.
Both your choices are good ones as far as second planes go. Give us a little more information on where you think you are at and how soon you plan on making the jump and maybe one of these planes will emerge as the clear choice.
07-11-2004 | 12:16 PM
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[quote]ORIGINAL: RoNeRiC
Once again, I suggest trying the Skyraider Mach II. If you don't like it (you will) it is inexpensive enough to almost be a throwaway. I have sport flied and pylon raced these planes since they were introduced; they are fun and do get the adrenaline flowing if you want it too.
I have not heard ANYONE say a bad thing about this plane, including serious flyers who have decades of flying time. IMHO, it would be a good transition between trainer and a 3-D plane like the Funtana...
Once again, I suggest trying the Skyraider Mach II. If you don't like it (you will) it is inexpensive enough to almost be a throwaway. I have sport flied and pylon raced these planes since they were introduced; they are fun and do get the adrenaline flowing if you want it too.
I have not heard ANYONE say a bad thing about this plane, including serious flyers who have decades of flying time. IMHO, it would be a good transition between trainer and a 3-D plane like the Funtana...
07-11-2004 | 05:13 PM
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I have both planes and find the Tiger can land at a much slower speed than the Super Sportster..id make the Tiger the choice for 2nd plane...
07-11-2004 | 07:34 PM
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RE: Help me pick out my second between these two
I have both of these planes and for a second plane I think I would go for the Tiger. It is a little more forgiving, a little slower, and lands closer to a trainer than the Sportster. That being said, I fly my sportster all the time and my Tiger collects dust in my shop. The Super Sportster is just a great, honest flying basic aerobatic plane. It can be a very fast plane with the right engine.
One other really good second airplane to think about is the Astro Hog. It is in my humble opinion THE BEST second airplane design there is PERIOD!
One other really good second airplane to think about is the Astro Hog. It is in my humble opinion THE BEST second airplane design there is PERIOD!
07-11-2004 | 08:28 PM
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RE: Help me pick out my second between these two
Well I think the field has come to a few planes hopefully you should be able to choose one that suits you.
There all good second choices, the rest is up to you.
good luck
There all good second choices, the rest is up to you.
good luck
07-11-2004 | 09:25 PM
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RE: Help me pick out my second between these two
At my field, a lot of guys go to the WM Super Sports for their second plane because it feels like a step up, like you've earned it. I flew one for a while and really enjoyed it.
Jeff
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07-12-2004 | 05:07 AM
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I did not get as much time on my trainer as I wanted before I crashed it. I went straight to a Super sportster 40 mk2 and do not regret it one BIT! The plane won't tip stall as far as i can tell - on slowing down it just kinda mushes around a bit before dropping. Easy to fly and easy to land. I've had no problems with mine and love it to bits. I fly mine with an OS46FX.
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RE: Help me pick out my second between these two
I would go with the Tiger 2. I started out with a NexSTAR also. As long as you have taken off the air brakes and leading edge extensions and are flying that plane to the fullest, then you shouldn't have a problem. Just get someone to buddy box with you for a flight or two because the aileron throw is going to be totally different! It will surprise you, if you not ready for it.
But you will love the Tiger 2, and you definitely will not get bored in a month.
Another reason why I think a Tiger 2 would be good at your stage: You are already learning enough new things (like low wing, fully symmetrical wing, faster plane) that the Tiger 2 can be set up as a taildragger or a trike. So I would set it up as a trike, and then, before you get your Funtana, then you could convert it to a taildragger and learn the basics of taking off with a tailwheel.
Oh, and you can get parts for the Tiger 2, just like the NexSTAR, but they're kind of expensive. (85 for a fuselage, ouch!) You just have to buy them direct.
http://www.carlgoldbergproducts.com/tiger2arf.htm
Hope this helps.
Joe
But you will love the Tiger 2, and you definitely will not get bored in a month.
Another reason why I think a Tiger 2 would be good at your stage: You are already learning enough new things (like low wing, fully symmetrical wing, faster plane) that the Tiger 2 can be set up as a taildragger or a trike. So I would set it up as a trike, and then, before you get your Funtana, then you could convert it to a taildragger and learn the basics of taking off with a tailwheel.
Oh, and you can get parts for the Tiger 2, just like the NexSTAR, but they're kind of expensive. (85 for a fuselage, ouch!) You just have to buy them direct.
http://www.carlgoldbergproducts.com/tiger2arf.htm
Hope this helps.
Joe
07-12-2004 | 01:45 PM
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The Skyraider Mach II at $70 is a great price, but I went to order it and got to the shipping page. Nearly $30. I waited a nanosecond before closing the window. Saturday I picked up a Seagull Spacewalker II at the LHS for a little more than that combined price, and it's a nice, distinctive-looking plane.
