global freestyle
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From: Cerritos,
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I recently purchased and put together a global freestyle. I gave it a maiden flight last weekend and almost crashed it on takeoff. The plane tracked straight down the runway, but it not want to lift off. I gave it more throttle and gently pulled up, but it still would not lift off. Finally, I jerked back on the stick and it jerked off the runway and rolled hard to the right. After I checked my shorts, I was able to get the plane trimmed out in level flight. It flew grate at speed, but whenever I slowed it down it started acting like it was out of trim again. Going vertical it would yaw to the left when approaching a stall, and whenever i would roll vertically or in level flight it would pitch up. When I got it back on the ground I looked it over and noticed that the ailerons were trimmed in a way that should cause it to roll in level flight, so I looked at the wing and noticed that the two wing halves did not join completely flat. The wing joins in such a way that the alignment is automatic so I dont think this was anything I did putting it together. I could really use some suggestions on finding a way to get the wing perfectly flat and level, and am curious if other people have had this problem with this plane.
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From: Eaton,
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I have the EXACT same problems you have.. I have an OS 50sx with the supplied 9x6 prop turning 14400 rpms. All electronics are jr..I use Byron 16% with 20% oil.. Balance is right on 4" with no weight added.. lateral balance is almost perfect..It hangs maybe 3 degrees right.. It takes about 200 feet of are well groomed grass runway to lift off..Here is how i set my ailerons and elevator up..I level the plane by putting a level on the stab..After its perfectly flat i simply put the level on each control surface and adjust each one so they are level..I thought that should work but when i flew it for the first time last week it took 6 clicks of left aileron to fly straight..As i changed speeds i would have to change trim settings again..Im at a loss..Ive never had these type of problems before all at the same time..I hope somebody can help us..
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My Freestyle took alot of runway to take off as well....think it has something to do with the relatively short gear. Also, don't give it
to much elevator right away...let it gain some speed on the ground, then gradually feed in the up...this seemed to help.
Mine flew great in the air with no trim issues, so I can't help you there. I think I had each aileron a little "up" like I had in a SIG somthin' extra.
Been over a year since I had this plane - a friend of mine was flying it and let it get to low and into a fence, then roof of clubhouse, then ground, and that was it for that one.
to much elevator right away...let it gain some speed on the ground, then gradually feed in the up...this seemed to help.
Mine flew great in the air with no trim issues, so I can't help you there. I think I had each aileron a little "up" like I had in a SIG somthin' extra.
Been over a year since I had this plane - a friend of mine was flying it and let it get to low and into a fence, then roof of clubhouse, then ground, and that was it for that one.
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Its definitely the landing gear. If you decide to keep plane, do yourself a favor and buy the Sukhoi 40 landing gear from hobbypeople (part #42019-$10). Its taller, stronger, and prettier. It will get that nose up for better takeoffs, and allow you to use bigger props. I can take off in 10ft (without flaperons) any time I choose (powered by ys 63, 13x4W prop).
As for setup, I did nothing special. I just made sure my ailerons lined up with the middle of the wing. I never had any issues nor any need to change them. I'm not sure whats causing your symptoms. I never had any issues with assembly either. But I do believe you guys are having multiple issues. I would double check thrust plate, balance, lateral balance and aileron reflex.
Good Luck...
As for setup, I did nothing special. I just made sure my ailerons lined up with the middle of the wing. I never had any issues nor any need to change them. I'm not sure whats causing your symptoms. I never had any issues with assembly either. But I do believe you guys are having multiple issues. I would double check thrust plate, balance, lateral balance and aileron reflex.
Good Luck...
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Do not use the stock gear on this plane!! Way too short and soft as wet noodle. I originally had some universal 40 sized gear on mine ,then switched to the suk gear. Never had a problem on takeoff with mine short grass, long grass, pavement, it doesn't matter.(Saito 72, 14x4w, 30% cooll power
) Swappatan31: ditch that 9x6 grab a 12.25x3.75!!!
) Swappatan31: ditch that 9x6 grab a 12.25x3.75!!!
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From: Eaton,
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I compared my aileron set up with wildnloose's and found a mild difference in there locations so i will try his way..Also i noticed some warping in both ailerons..I just got done fixing that..My prop is actually a 10x6 but still i will get a 12.25x3.75 like FentonFlyer suggested and get some 30% nitro..What about composite compared to wood props..Is there a performance difference or is it looks??As far as the suk landing gear,I keep checking online at hobbypeople and its always not available so i will keep looking..Thanks For the Ideas everybody..Ill keep you posted on progress..
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From: South Lyon,
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you dont need 30% with the 50sx stick with 10 or 15% I ordered the Sukhoi gear when I bought my Freestyle, but they were backordered for about 2 months. The 40 size universal gear will work with a few mods and any good hobby shop will have em. Pick up some 3" foam wheels while you're there. Wood props spool up much faster than composites, but I think the performance factor leans toward composite. Comps are usually more durable as well.
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I checked yesterday for the gear (when I replied) and they were in stock. Just search on the part number and it will pull right up.
The o.s. 50 has similar power as my ys 63. Use a 12x8 prop for pattern stuff and a 13x4w or 13x6 for 3D. It should handle it.
I would not worry about 30% nitro just yet. Try the different props out first.
The o.s. 50 has similar power as my ys 63. Use a 12x8 prop for pattern stuff and a 13x4w or 13x6 for 3D. It should handle it.
I would not worry about 30% nitro just yet. Try the different props out first.
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From: Eaton,
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Still pulls right..had to put only 4 clicks left trim though..not bad..the landing gear and prop made a huge difference in takeoff..im off the ground in 75-90 feet,much better then 200.. This was the first time i was able to put it through some moves..I turned a knife edge into an upwards corkscrew..not sure if that move has a name but it should..looked cool..only problem im having now is that my carburetor is sticking after getting hot..I changed it with my 46fx carb and it still does the same thing..I had this same engine (os 50sx) on a magic and it never done this..after cooling it still sticks so i have to take it apart and put it back together..works fine after that..strange..any way im happy with the performance and i will keep you posted on the carb problem..Thanks for all your guys help..later..
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Ok, have to say I got all of the bugs worked out just in time to stuff the plane into the ground
Anyways its flyable again just not a pretty anymore. My sollution for the sticking to the runway on takoff, was to use the flaperon function on my radio. The plane now leaps of the ground with almost no forward movement. I noticed that my aileron came badly warped from the factory so that even thought they looked like they were aligned they werent. Used my heat gun to straighten them out and now the plane flys straight as an arrow. This is by far the best flying plane I have ever owned, I think it makes me look like a much better pilot than I reallly am
Anyways its flyable again just not a pretty anymore. My sollution for the sticking to the runway on takoff, was to use the flaperon function on my radio. The plane now leaps of the ground with almost no forward movement. I noticed that my aileron came badly warped from the factory so that even thought they looked like they were aligned they werent. Used my heat gun to straighten them out and now the plane flys straight as an arrow. This is by far the best flying plane I have ever owned, I think it makes me look like a much better pilot than I reallly am
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From: Downin,
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Jeff, how much flap are you using ? I fly mine from a rough grass field and can use all the tricks I can find. So far, I have had no problems with the stock gear, however I switched to 3" wheels and it made a big difference on the takeoff run. The only real gripe I have about this plane is the covering. Had a hard time getting it to stay stuck down and it wrinkles like crazy. I did replace the rudder and elevator control cables/rods with Dave Brown FG rods but this is just a personal preference. Flying mine with a Magnum .46XLS with an APC 11/5 prop. Flies like a dream, straight as an arrow and will do anything my limited skills are capable of. Will agree with you, this plane makes me look like a much better pilot than I actually am.
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Planes that sit almost level don't want to take off, no angle of attack. The easiest solution is to put flaps (flapperons) on a switch. Flick a switch for flaps down until you're in the air with sufficient speed then flick them back up. Just takes a little flap to make all the difference in the world.
I takeoff this way with most planes. No more racing down the runway [8D]
I takeoff this way with most planes. No more racing down the runway [8D]




