Luftwaffe Oberst

I did because my plane wasn't balanced properly horizontally, and my elevators were a hair off and my ailerons were not exactly even. When I added some lead weight ( hidden inside the aileron servo housing ) to balance the plane, and made sure the elevators were dead even, and evened the ailerons she flys like a dream!

Basicly what I learned from this plane, it's a little touchy. If anything is off on the adjustments she'll let you know.

I own a few other birds and this by far is my favorite of all to fly.

I had a deadstick not too long ago, and bent the landing gear on a mis-timed landing. I ordered another landing gear and a set of wheel pants, and I noticed Seagull Models improved the landing gear from the stock one. It's a little thicker and it is painted smooth. Look out Hanger 9, Seagull is on your heals on the quality issue, and for half the cost!

The landing gear is a tad heavier, but it doesn't really effect my plane at all, I just moved my battery pack tighter against the firewall and it made up the weight difference. Check the side-to side balance and we'll go from there. Let me know what you checked.

Pete

capt1597

well i took your advise and inspeccted all the moving parts. i found that all of them had some warp to them. i spent the time to iron them all straight and then reset them. it is like a different plane. it did not snap on it's own once in four flights yesterday but most of all it's slow flying was dramaticly improved. thanks for reminding me of the basics!

tryan02

I have the 180 with a g-26 and love the plane but had the same problem as you. Your stalling the tail a high speed stall. When you give too much elevator the planes airspeed dies and the plane twist around the prop. I did mine after a split S turn looking at me nose in twice just fell out of the sky into a corkscrew!!!! I just dialed down the elevator till it could still do tight loops without snapping. problem solved until I go into dual rates.


Oh and one of the best things you can do for the plane is put a 1/4" aluminum plate underneath the 2 piece seagull gear. Like I said mine is the 180 with a g-26 at 13.5lb and the gear does great.

Now the seagull recommended throws are way off. I am a sport flyer and I have the ailerons and rudder set to 3d flying and the elevator less than sport flying possibly due to its heavier weight I am at the max of the 180 recommended weight.

At the sport settings it wouldn't knifedge not enough rudder and the rolls were a tad slow causing it to barrel a tiny bit (hardly noticeable) but I wanted axial rolls. Those are just my settings to my flying style and I never use expo on anything I fly. I just move the clevis all the way in on the servo horn I dont want dead sticks at center I like a linear movement.

tryan02

forgot to mention there was a good article on it in the AMA magazine a couple months back.

bri_877

good article on what????

imora99

Hello Guys,

Could you please offer and opinion about this plane with a Saito 150. I had it on recently deceased Carl Goldgerg Yak 54" so I already have the motor.

Thanks.

capt1597

this plane is to small for the 150. IMO. this plane's stout and flys great with a lighter engine. the 150 would be adding unwanted wieght which would detract from it's fllying. this plane has modest size wings , so i think a bigger plane would be better for your engine. happy flying, capt

Luftwaffe Oberst

I have the recommended max throws on mine and she knife edges just fine even with the recommended expo settings. It was the recommended CG that was off about 5 mm. Like I've written, this plane fly's well with just a plain .91 2 stroke Glow, the O.S. .91FX Ringed is a perfect match and has a nice sound to it with that 3 bladed prop. Before I hung her up on my ceiling for the winter, I had a guy who has been flying 3D kits and ARF's for over 15 years. And I finally got him to fly my Seagull Edge 260 .90 at the S.T.A.R.S Airshow in Cicero, NY last summer. He told me and a few others that were standing next to me that I had it set up just right and that he had a ball flying the wings off of it. People couldn't believe it was a Seagull Plane! I had to remind a few not to trust the box art, that it was deceiving.



I'm one of those who isn't a fan of adding more weight to a airplane if it's not really needed. I haven't added any steel plate or wood re-enforcement under the 2 piece landing gear legs and she is holding up just fine, even after one really bad landing and a few " boinga, boinga, bouncy, bouncy " landings on some not so smooth grass fields.

I guess the Seagull Extra 260 1.80 is a bit different than the .91 in its set ups and build. It's just a guess.

The plate idea is a good idea for someone who doesn't fly that well, but it's not needed on my plane. JMHO




Not a problem. It's the little things that get us in to trouble later on. She's a dream to fly now right Capt? I guess the best way to describe her handling is, she is a Hot Rod when you want it and has enough power to get you out of jams, and she's a gentle Angel and fly's on rails when you need it.


Pete

bri_877

Thats funny. It wasn't til I looked at that picture that I realized where you are. I've been following this thread for a year or so and have a 260 of my own. I was at that event and even looked at your plane and never made the connection. I didn't get to see it fly as I was only there for a short period, flew a quick flight on my Weston Magnum then had to bail. Maybe I'll get to see you next year....

capt1597

yes this is alot of fun. it is a really great swoop and loop plane! happy flying, capt

Luftwaffe Oberst

My wife and I already made plans to be at the next event at S.T.A.R.S. I don't want another Police Escort because I got lost! So my Father-in-Law is lending me his Caped Chevy Pick-up and I'll be at the show early just so I can set up my canopy tent. I plan on bringing the Fokker (by great demand) and the Extra.

Here's the link about the Show with even more pictures.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_9077908/tm.htm

Hopefully I'll have 3 planes to bring next year, most of my money has been tied up on paying bills. ( Having a child tends to be expensive. ) Plus my job cut payroll and all our hours got cut until Spring, then my hours will jump up beyond 40+. Being a Bike Tech is kinda seasonal around NY State. So my Wife, Mother, Mother -in- Law are teaming up to help me get another plane for Christmas. My wife doesn't keep secrets, I tend to Water Board her until she tells me everything. My wife just re-newed my AMA last week, I think I'm going to keep my wife around a little longer now. [sm=lol.gif]

You should have stayed! The Club fed me and I got a chance to meet the Big Wigs from AMA!

Keep her flying Capt! [sm=thumbs_up.gif]

Pete

Oberst

Darn, I had to put my plane back on the table for Ironing. I suspect it wrinkled up bad because of the the forced air heating unit in my house. Oh well, only a few more months of winter and she'll be back in the air again.


Pete

srt10

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has anyone done a brushless version of this plane?
thanks

capt1597

put a vess 13x6 prop on this spring an am loving it. been out alot this past week and it has been quite breezy and this plane is a great windy day flier. been having alot of fun. happy flying, capt

SuperNorm

I just found this thread. I have been building one of these models this past winter. I am all done and am trying to get the weight and balance in check. I mounted a YS 1.20 4-stroke up front. My plane came out very nose heavy when balancing 6-8cm from the leading edge of the wing measured at the tips. Currently it weighs just under 9lbs. It balances out at approx 5cm back measured at the tips. Are these models prone to being so nose heavy? I can not really move any of my electronics further back either. Where do they like to fly? I am planning on using it for IMAC.

Oberst

Mine was just a tad nose heavy when I first balanced it, but the balance became even when I moved the receiver back at the rear of the Glow Tank, and the battery beside the Glow tank, even with the firewall. I think the Tech's were thinking of the weight of a .90 when they designed this plane.

Pete

SuperNorm

My plane flew great. Although I did have a few issues. One of my cowl screws vibrated out, minor fuel leak from the tank neck and my gear ripped out. This plane would not stall! I came in for a landing and had a light bounce. It then floated down the runway. Refusing to settle onto the grass. When it finally did land. It ground looped a little. Shattering the landing gear mount.

capt1597

sorry to here about your l g mount. i alwas reenforce all my arf planes with a coat of epoxy during set-up. just seems to work best for me. i got in 8 flights today while we are experiencing a heat wave here in ohio(81 degrees). winds were 15 to 20 out of the south. this plane is in my opinion a top windy day flier. had alot fun. i sure do enjoy this plane. happy flying, capt

Oberst

Sorry about that SuperNorm, hope you can fix it or get another one. I'm on my second season (Year) with this nice ARF and I haven't had any problems yet. (Knock on wood.)


capt1597 is right, always re-enforce the firewall and landing geat mount with a coat of Epoxy. Most ARF Aircraft lack in the glue department. I put a dab of Epoxy on all the joints as far back in the Fuse and front up to the Firewall just to be safe. Then I make a batch of Epoxy and mix it with alcohol to thin it out and I brush (With a old paint brush) a few thin coats on the Firewall and the Engine Mount Box.

capt1597 is right, our plane is a Hot Rod when we want it and gentle like a lady when we need it, and has the power to get us out of trouble. I'm a panzy and don't like wind, but if the wind picked up I would be less nervous trying to land the Extra, then I would with the Hanger 9 Fokker in a bad crosswind of up to 6-9 mph wind gusts. [&:]

When the wind gets that bad, I just sit back with the Ol' timers and watch the " New Comer Carnage!" at my Club. [>:]

Pete

capt1597

the club where i do most of my flying in ohio is a 500' square block of grass 1/2 mile behind a farm house surronded by farm fields without even one tree near by. so there are no crosswind issues. there is no permenent pit area or club house. we all adjust where we park and pit as to the days weather. yesterday i had one landing against a stiff gust where the distence between touchdown and coming to rest was less then 10'. i enjoy higher wind flying as part of the mix. it is a fun demention to this hobby. happy flying, capt

jhunter

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Do you guys think a Saito 100 would be enough motor for this plane? Thanks.

rhampton

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I just converted mine to Electric using a 6s 5000mah Lipo Pak and a 400kv motor.
Mine is brand new and will perform a Maiden this weekend.
Hope all goes well..........

Cpt Crash

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Just maidened one of these with a friend this weekend at Area 51.5 in Utah. This is a good airplane on several counts. It's built a bit heavy, but as a result, it's tough and sturdy. It's a great flyer; John's bird was powered by an OS Max 95 and it jumped off the ground and climbed out easily. Despite the weight, it has great low speed manners and won't bite. Once I got used to getting it into a nose-high stance, landings were smooth, slow, and easy. I'm happy with the performance of this plane; with the 95 under the hood it's a perfect sport flying aerobat.

rhampton

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i have to agree...Nitro or electric, the one thing i noticed about this plane was that it was incredibly sturdy and strong which is makes it on the heavy side. i maidened mine last week it Flew AWESOME!!!!!
It flies just like a 3d hobby shop plane to me. I was able to do some violent throws and it handled it well, Knife edges and hovering for $300 less.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMIExrzRw_s

capt1597

well boys, mine made it through another season. i did have a dead stick, up wind of the field, while blowing easily 25. while banking around low to point up-wind she stalled and did a double cartwheel. she shredded the rudder and bent the wing tube. i bought a new tube and built a new rudder ( it was easy ). and she is good as new. i am still running the os91fx 2s with a vess 13x6 and like how it performs. i am sure i flew this bird well over 100 flights this season an am still loving it. that is my update happy flying, capt