Dave Patrick models sold to Cermark
12-20-2008 | 10:48 AM
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NOT A REPLY I looked around the Cermark site and found no mention of DP.! What I did notice was some of the airplanes look very close to the airplanes sold by Nitro models! Capt,n
12-20-2008 | 01:55 PM
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http://www.cermark.com a shortcut....search every day untill we score on that DP connection! Capt,n[8|]
http://www.cermark.com a shortcut....search every day untill we score on that DP connection! Capt,n[8|]
If it is going to happen, an update would be nice or at least a trace of a mention on their website. Oh, well. [&o]
12-20-2008 | 03:05 PM
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I'm just curious while the subject of Dave Patrick has come up again..........does any of the after-market fiberglass shops sell a duplicate for his Supercub cowl??????? That cowl was the most realistic of any that I have seen anywhere...
12-20-2008 | 04:10 PM
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http://www.fiberglassspecialtiesinc.com/catalog.htm this is where I got mine. I have one on my WM cub that I turned into a PA-18.
12-20-2008 | 05:55 PM
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Hi,
We are currently still working on the 1st prototype that is already in USA. However, our concerns still reside mostly in 2 areas, (1) vendor (2) quality. Like we originally promised, unless the production is better than the original, then we will not release the product. It will simply be a big money pit. However we have a quanlity reputation (besides being extremely slow) to keep.
Our staff has indicated that we should have DPM airplane update available on our new website (cermark.com). So I will beg our team to do so. Thanks for the suggestions.
Peace,
Steven Chao,
CERMARK
We are currently still working on the 1st prototype that is already in USA. However, our concerns still reside mostly in 2 areas, (1) vendor (2) quality. Like we originally promised, unless the production is better than the original, then we will not release the product. It will simply be a big money pit. However we have a quanlity reputation (besides being extremely slow) to keep.
Our staff has indicated that we should have DPM airplane update available on our new website (cermark.com). So I will beg our team to do so. Thanks for the suggestions.
Peace,
Steven Chao,
CERMARK
12-21-2008 | 01:27 AM
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keep marching forward. I have a os 1.6 4c new in the box for the plane, can you post a link to cermark to find the updates , I can be a ginnie pig and test the plane for you , have been 4 years, waiting for the p-18 thanks franki
12-21-2008 | 07:02 PM
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I sure hope this works out, but the feeling I get is that it will not. [&o] I guess I better continue to baby my DP PA-18.
12-22-2008 | 01:50 AM
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We are currently still working on the 1st prototype that is already in USA. However, our concerns still reside mostly in 2 areas, (1) vendor (2) quality.
We are currently still working on the 1st prototype that is already in USA. However, our concerns still reside mostly in 2 areas, (1) vendor (2) quality.
I don't mean to take stabs at you, Steve. I admire you for being honest about whats going on. It's just that there's a lot of us that have been waiting a long time for this and getting somewhat impatient. I just hope that by the time this thing surfaces, it won't cost us a $1000 a pop as most similar sized ARF's are heading.
12-22-2008 | 10:31 AM
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guys i all mixed up[&:] i read that the dies, molds were purchased and it was the orignal now they are going to improve the new one , well the old was top, should i try to get one on the flea market or wait for steves new one???? again i have the os 1.6 4c header to fit the cowl i guess any good servos will work...... thanks frank
12-22-2008 | 01:10 PM
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Frank99, What type of header are you talking about? You say you have one that is for the OS 1.60 twin thats made to fit inside the cowl? I am very interested to find out about this header. 
I have the same set up and want to find out more info.
I have the same set up and want to find out more info.
12-22-2008 | 01:38 PM
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Lazer cutting is lazer cutting!!!...If the dimensions are all on disc then the cuttings will be the same regardless of who does the cutting...The quality issue can only be with assembly (fit and finish)....I hate to be negative but it seems that ANYTHING that Dave Patrick is associated is riddled with nothing but delay after delay...At least that was the way with his company...
If Cermark can get Dave's product to market quickly with good quality then Cermark will have hit a home run...Dave's products were some of the best out there...It was getting one and any replacement parts that had modelers pulling their hair out...
Kevin
If Cermark can get Dave's product to market quickly with good quality then Cermark will have hit a home run...Dave's products were some of the best out there...It was getting one and any replacement parts that had modelers pulling their hair out...
Kevin
12-22-2008 | 08:14 PM
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j3 this header was made for the dp p-18 i cant remember the company that made it will post a pic,I WILL NEVER GIVE UP TILL I HAVE DP P-18 or A CLONE SOMEHOW OR SOMEWAY, beating a drum to death but it will real hard to top the dp cub , steve dont give up THANKS FRANK
12-22-2008 | 10:01 PM
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Now that I've finally gotten my hands on a windscreen, I can finish my DP Clipped Wing over the next two weeks. Can't wait; swapping the Saito 120 four stroke for an OS 160 two stroke with Pitts and smoker. [8D]
12-22-2008 | 10:32 PM
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Now that I've finally gotten my hands on a windscreen, I can finish my DP Clipped Wing over the next two weeks. Can't wait; swapping the Saito 120 four stroke for an OS 160 two stroke with Pitts and smoker. [8D]
Now that I've finally gotten my hands on a windscreen, I can finish my DP Clipped Wing over the next two weeks. Can't wait; swapping the Saito 120 four stroke for an OS 160 two stroke with Pitts and smoker. [8D]
Pro, Where were you able to find a windscreen? [X(]
12-23-2008 | 12:35 AM
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$30. I took me a year to find one and had ordered lots of stuff off Aerotech for my P-15, but had no idea they stocked DPM windsreens and cowls. [sm=spinnyeyes.gif]
$30. I took me a year to find one and had ordered lots of stuff off Aerotech for my P-15, but had no idea they stocked DPM windsreens and cowls. [sm=spinnyeyes.gif]
12-23-2008 | 03:50 PM
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Just to help clarify the DPM matter. DPM does not have the molds in their possession. That is one of the major problem that we have had. If we had them, then it would not be a problem. Even to this day, I don't not have news of the previous mold condition.
Now as to the prototype, it always is a working progress. In this type of airplane, we feel that the details are key to DPM success. Unfortunately it is also the downfall. The cost to ensure that the details are met with precision and consistency cost money. Our spitfire (also under TopGun brand) underwent 7 prototypes revisions before approval. It drove the builders, foreman, management, designers, testors, and investors BONKERS. Of course there are others that undergone less. When we do this, we also help the manufacturer improve their building skills and their assembly line expectation. It can be a win-win only if it is what their management is after for their investors.
I gave up holding my breath on these projects. They can make you make your day or kill your year... Just got to grind it out to see what is really there.
Peace,
Steven Chao,
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Now as to the prototype, it always is a working progress. In this type of airplane, we feel that the details are key to DPM success. Unfortunately it is also the downfall. The cost to ensure that the details are met with precision and consistency cost money. Our spitfire (also under TopGun brand) underwent 7 prototypes revisions before approval. It drove the builders, foreman, management, designers, testors, and investors BONKERS. Of course there are others that undergone less. When we do this, we also help the manufacturer improve their building skills and their assembly line expectation. It can be a win-win only if it is what their management is after for their investors.
I gave up holding my breath on these projects. They can make you make your day or kill your year... Just got to grind it out to see what is really there.
Peace,
Steven Chao,
CERMARK
12-26-2008 | 07:59 PM
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I also was missing a cockpit dash board that didnt ship with my order. I called and notified them of the missing item and I too never recieved it. I will never buy another one of his planes again either.
12-26-2008 | 11:24 PM
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Just to help clarify the DPM matter. DPM does not have the molds in their possession. That is one of the major problem that we have had. If we had them, then it would not be a problem. Even to this day, I don't not have news of the previous mold condition.
Now as to the prototype, it always is a working progress. In this type of airplane, we feel that the details are key to DPM success. Unfortunately it is also the downfall. The cost to ensure that the details are met with precision and consistency cost money. Our spitfire (also under TopGun brand) underwent 7 prototypes revisions before approval. It drove the builders, foreman, management, designers, testors, and investors BONKERS. Of course there are others that undergone less. When we do this, we also help the manufacturer improve their building skills and their assembly line expectation. It can be a win-win only if it is what their management is after for their investors.
I gave up holding my breath on these projects. They can make you make your day or kill your year... Just got to grind it out to see what is really there.
Peace,
Steven Chao,
CERMARK
Just to help clarify the DPM matter. DPM does not have the molds in their possession. That is one of the major problem that we have had. If we had them, then it would not be a problem. Even to this day, I don't not have news of the previous mold condition.
Now as to the prototype, it always is a working progress. In this type of airplane, we feel that the details are key to DPM success. Unfortunately it is also the downfall. The cost to ensure that the details are met with precision and consistency cost money. Our spitfire (also under TopGun brand) underwent 7 prototypes revisions before approval. It drove the builders, foreman, management, designers, testors, and investors BONKERS. Of course there are others that undergone less. When we do this, we also help the manufacturer improve their building skills and their assembly line expectation. It can be a win-win only if it is what their management is after for their investors.
I gave up holding my breath on these projects. They can make you make your day or kill your year... Just got to grind it out to see what is really there.
Peace,
Steven Chao,
CERMARK
I don't mean to sound rude, but I can't see how hard it could be... Dave would obviously have the CAD plans; as for moulds, Aerotech have the windscreens and there are a number of companies making the cowl and wheel pants, and they cost vertually nothing. The plane is proven to fly like a dream, so why would there be a need for prototypes etc. It's simple, just find a factoy and produce them. They used to cost $699 U; these days that gets you one nice ARF, so why is the cost be an issue. I'll tell you now, if they cost $1,000, you'd still sell a bundle; I know I'd pay that much for a good ARF.
Gut feeling tells me this won't come to fruition... but please prove me wrong.
Cheers,
James
12-26-2008 | 11:26 PM
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I also was missing a cockpit dash board that didnt ship with my order. I called and notified them of the missing item and I too never recieved it. I will never buy another one of his planes again either.
I also was missing a cockpit dash board that didnt ship with my order. I called and notified them of the missing item and I too never recieved it. I will never buy another one of his planes again either.
12-27-2008 | 12:51 AM
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I've seen alot over the years of this hobby, not as much as some other's have but over 16 years worth. and I must admit, this is the first time I've seen a CEO respond to questions or concerns just as commonly as you or I do, he's sitting behind his laptop(drinking a martini) and giving us straight up but PC answers. I must really commend him for doing so, when's the last time don anderson jumped onto RCU and defended a GP kit or arf? Good show steven, keep communicating, it's the best way to improve your companies image and service. If you can't answer a question concerning a product, then who esle can. Yes, bringing DPM back into the market is a great move, the name is prestigious, and the designs are fantastic and sound, but he's tough on quality, that's what made him his name. If it wasn't for the design simplicity and quality of his aircraft, it would just be another name on the box.
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If any of you Dave Patrick fans are interested, I have a NEW IN BOX Dave Patrick Signature series, Pitts S2B ( 1/4 scale, 60" span). It's been in my hanger for a couple of years and I've been too busy to even start building this ARF.
Let me know if you care about this. It is not a "distress sale"
Let me know if you care about this. It is not a "distress sale"
09-15-2009 | 08:32 PM
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HI Steven,
I'm getting ready to maiden a 71" spitfire I got at a swap meet over the weekend.
The model is a dream in fit and detail and I'm really looking forward to learning it's flying characteristics.
Thanks,
Hockeypilot
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I'm getting ready to maiden a 71" spitfire I got at a swap meet over the weekend.
The model is a dream in fit and detail and I'm really looking forward to learning it's flying characteristics.
Thanks,
Hockeypilot
First AMA member in 1983- member no. 149701
09-27-2009 | 02:42 AM
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Here it is, 9 (nine) months later and still no sign of any Super Cub. I vote to go back to kits or even just a plan, so at least we could build one.
