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We all know that Desert Aircraft makes the highest quality gas engines available today. Their product support is superior to anyone else selling gas model aircraft engines. They have worked hard to win and justify that reputation.

Well, Nitroplanes is advertising "DA" engines for sale on their site http://www.nitroplanes.com/fm01-10d.html. The only thing is that they are NOT Desert Aircraft engines.

I have been told that Desert Aircraft has asked them several times to remove this misleading advertising and they have not. Boycott this site. This is not good for our hobby and could hurt the reputation of Desert Aircraft when someone claims that a "DA" engine is a piece of junk when it is a Nitro vended engine that has performed poorly.

Competition in commerce is fine with me. I had bought from Nitroplanes before but this forces me to not buy from them. If you care for our hobby and all the support that Desert Aircraft has given to multiple competitions and events in our hobby tell Nitro to stop this practice. Desert Aircraft makes their engines in the USA and employs US citizens. Support this high quality company.

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Most of us already avoid Nitroplanes/CMP/Giant Scale Models or what ever they like calling themselves at the time. They are crafty, and if they ran a honest business and made top notch ARF's they wouldn't have to do that.

People have been complaining about CMP/ Nitroplanes since RCU existed, and I too know of better places to get better ARF aircraft and as well, get the bigger bang for the buck including great customer service.

Nitroplanes is more a "Builders ARF" than a simple slam together and fly kind of thing. The RTF planes- I'm not sure if they are any good, but if it's anything like their ARF's, then no thanks.

They are so bad in the way they do buisness, I've seen them attempt to sneak in the forums and try to advertise a new product. Moderators quickly try to remove it when they see it.


Pete

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Yeah it's like a joke at this point.

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There is only one engine that appears on their site as "DA" and this is a clone "DL" engine.

NP often cuts and pastes advertizing from Chinese sources. It appears that was done for this engine as I've found exactly the same ad for the engine elsewhere.

Not-with-standing, it should be corrected.

Strangely I've pointed out an error or two to them myself, and it has been promptly corrected by the webmaster.

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I just ordered their Sea wing micro. First time using NP. What a joke. It does not fly at all. Bad foam, bad motor, bad prop, bad instructions. But if you complain they get you the next time you order.

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That link does not work for me and the DA-50 they show looks nothing like a Dessert Aircraft 50. I would not be surprised if they listed it w/o even thinking about it. I know they don't like to remove links but it's showing out of stock anyway.
I think I have purchased around 10+ planes from them over the years. Only the older CMP kits was I displeased with. The newer CMP stuff is much better. But you can't compare a $100 CMP ARF to a $250 Hanger 9. Often the foamies need some mods but still better bang for the buck than parkzone. Easy to get mods and feedback on the stuff before you order from RCGroups or here.

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I remember a few years ago, they were using pics of Top Flite's Cessna 182 in the ads for their Cessna.:eek:

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If you read the complete Giles 202 thread, you will see quite a few guys had good flying planes...but the hardware was kinda on the weak side. Most guys have extra hardware from other airplanes on hand, so that is no big deal. At least it gives some a chance to fly bigger airplanes without breaking the bank! Capt,n

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Giles 202 thread= http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_31..._1/key_/tm.htm http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f.../thumbs_up.gif

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I have no problems with CMP. I.E. you get what you pay for and they certainly are a builders ARF. I really can't mean ARF. I would say half way between most companies ARFs and a kit. BTW CMPs latest "ARF", a 109 I think is much better. It might qualify for the real ARF designation.

The problem is with Nitro and they do know what they are doing by stating that they are selling a DA. Why not just state what the engine really is rather than trying to get people that don't understand to buy a fake DA. You really have to be a low life to do that.

Did a Google for DA engine and Nitro: http://www.nitroplanes.com/fm01-10d.html Low, low, scum.

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It states it has 5 Star review. Yet when you ty to read the reviews it just takes you to a page of cheep foamy advertizements. Yep, the implication is intentional. To be honest I felt the same way as the OP here when DLA and DLE DL-USA and the whole lot of D-whatever engines hit the market. The DLE series seams to be standing on it's own now but it will take a decade of quality, performance and service to be half what DA is now. My next engine will likely be that shiney new DA-60. I will not be this knock off paper weight/door stop advertized on NP.

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Come on, If anyone buys that thinking you're getting a DA,, they shouldn't be ordering online

NitroPlanes is an Honest Vendor,, lets give them the benifit of the doubt and say that maybe just a typo

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There is a tab with the 'reviews'
One reads: Not a real DA, should be renamed
Other: It is a good engine

They do not write 'Desert Aircraft' anywhere on the site. I do not know if "DA" is trademarked by Desert Aircraft or not, even though most people who know about gasoline engines would draw the connection.

Do I think the site is misleading? Yes

I took a picture from the Desert Aircraft page http://www.desertaircraft.com/engine...p?Page=DA-50-R and pasted it beside a picture from the Nitro site. I tried to attach it but the server is not cooperating. Anyone who actually knows what Desert Aircraft is would never be fooled.

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CMP and Nitroplanes are the same company. The company uses different names to confuse the buyer because the bad rap, and they think we can't refuse the low price and pray on us Westerns because of it. If you see Nitroploanes, CMP they are all one company. Don't be fooled. I'm not sure if Flyboy Models is the same company, but the quality is just as bad and they too are from China. I'm suspecting they are from the same company but I can't proove it.

I do think that many of the E-bay aircraft we see on the market is Nitroplanes/CMP. So I don't buy my planes from E-bay either just to be safe.


Pete

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I think some here are getting their knickers in a knot over perceived blasphemy of vaunted DA. Initials in a name are rarely copyrighted and if DA has the copyright a cease and desist letter from their legal mind would end it so it is doubtful they have it. Asking them to stop using it carries no weight if you don't own the copyright.

DA makes a good engine and provides good service. If for the money I want bragging rights I will buy DA. For an engine that lives long and prospers I will buy 3W and Zenoah. For knock around sport work and easy RTF resale, DLE, DLA, CRRC-Pro, Turinigy all work just fine for me.

Never done business with Nitro but in looking at their products at the AMA show in Ontario, Ca., there was a wide range of quality, from cheesy on the cheap end to very good on the higher end. They aren't really much different from other direct Chinese vendors.

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That is completely wrong. CMP, Flyboy, etc. are all separate Chinese manufacturers.

NP operatates out of the U.S. West coast.

This is how misinformation gets perpetuated around here.

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No you are wrong. Same ARF made by 2 factories under one manufacture. For instance you buy a Chevy and I by a Buick- it's still GM. Flyboy Models is the same quality as Nitroplanes/CMP. Terrible! So yes, I still stand by what I said. CMP and Nitroplanes are the same.


Pete

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What do you expect from a government owned and run company?

This is what happens to anything that should be privately run that is run by any government

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Sorry but you are wrong, repeating misinformation.

CMP and Flyboy are two completely different Chinese companies which manufacture different lines of products. The GM analogy is erroneous.

NP is just a box and go reseller with a rather small staff. I've stopped by there.

If you don't believe me you can shoot Tony or Eric @ NP a message and ask them yourself. Head over to RCDiscuss and post there.
They DO answer.

CMP is not "Terrible" though their models do vary in build to the point that some are much better than others.

Have a look at my photo gallary for CMP planes that are fairly well built.
I'd be happy to point out what I've found that is in need of improvement, but "terrible"? No not at all...

The foamies, particularly some of the Art-Techs, I don't care for at all... though the other higher priced spread are not bad.

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Did you miss the first post???

Desert Aircraft has asked them a number of times to please remove the misleading ad and they have not.

When you blow off the real DA you know; This is NOT a mistake by Nitro

That is what gets me upset.

BTW there are many many factories in China. Not every brand is even made in the same factory. A really great product designed and sold by Goldenskiesrc.com is the Crossfire. Lee Schantz has talked with us and he has to work very hard to make sure he gets the quality he wants. One factory even shut down and took $25,000 from him along with his fixtures.

So it is tough to know who is doing what in China. Goldenskiesrc.com is finally coming out with the Falco this fall (yahooo). Only two years after he wanted it out. Sounds like he has to have one factory do the fuse (fiberglass) and one do the wings. So Nitro could be the one importing CMP. I would go do some more research before I stated something like that as fact or not. However, I do not believe that Nitro has a lock on CMP. Look at all the other stuff they grab. Some good and some terrible.

I think it is dumb to say that it is ok to say you are selling a DA Engine and not state that is is not from Desert Aircraft. Desert Aircraft even now gets people who what support from them for DL and DLE engines. The DL engine is so much a copy of the Desert aircraft engine that some parts will exactly fit. So DA should be allowed their name. US made, designed, and so great that DLE couldn't improve on the design and ripped off DA. So much for patent and copyrights with China.

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CMP  = Cheap Model Planes?
CMP = Crashing Model Planes?
CMP = Cheezy Measy Planes?
CMP = Chinese Manure Productions?
CMP = Crappy Made Products?
CMP = Cheat Me Please?
CMP = Can't Make Planes?
CMP = Crash Motivated Products?
CMP = Chinese Means Pathetic?
CMP = Call M Pathetic

Care to add your own?

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i have bought a few planes from them,that wouldn't fly. I complained with no results. that was in 2009,i see they still are selling sub standard arfs

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Just buy AMERICANMADE!!! DEASERTAIRCRAFT, problem solved. You only get what you pay for!!

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I always understood the nitroplane brand was cheap.they are pretty much a slam bam putogether product.yes I even dislike hobby king.they screwed 2 twice and made my list of "never to buy from"..

I wont lie I have bought rc stuff from foreign vendors on occasion butI also knew what I was getting and sadly most of our goods come from china tiwan japan etc.we did it to ourselves and unfortnuately that part of american culture is hard to change.everyone talks begs for us to by american but theres not much left that is american made and by our very nature we want products cheap.sam walton figured that out along time ago.

its a vicous circle .I would love a real DA50but atover 500 to 600 or more its not possible.

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As far as the DA issue goes they should take it down plain and simple. On the subject of whether they should be avoided, I've only bought one plane from them and that was a few years back. A fellow club member had bought a 90 size Extra from them that looked very good graphics wise and his looked fairly well built and was reasonably light for a small 3D bird. The hardware was junk but heck for $124.95 I could replace the hardware and still come out ahead. I won't get into specifics but I had a bunch of fun with that thing and it flew very good. I definitely got my moneys worth.

If one is careful and knows how to avoid the JUNK that is also available when ordering online, deals can be had. I surely WOULD NOT recommend them to a person new to the hobby especially one who is not familiar with avoiding all the potential Chinese crap that is out there.

Hobby King is another story. They do have some really good items although there is some JUNK as well. I've gotten some of the best LiPo's from them of any I've owned and I'm including the big names like ThunderPower. In some cases the ThunderPower product turned out to be worse than the 1/5th price Turnigy NanoTech product. Their Zippy Rhino batteries have proven VERY good for me as well. The Rhino was one of the cheapest batteries when it first came on the market but was at least as good as any of the big names out there. There are vultures right here in the good ole USA that will take every last dime grandma has if she is naive enough to let him. We MUST learn to be watchful and question a deal to make sure it is a good one before jumping in. Getting a good deal is not for the faint of heart nor for the weak in mind and body. Getting a good deal is not a right nor are we ENTITLED to a good deal, we have to work for them and be smart enough to recognize snake oil salesmen when they appear.

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I have to disagree with some of the comments here. First of all Desert Aircraft, while they make a great engine, cannot ask NP or anyone else not to use the initials DA. Good grief, who would be naive enough to think they were getting a Desert Aircraft engine for that price? Secondly, most of us out here in the real world, cannot afford the price of a Desert Aircraft engine for our leisure time activities. Does this mean the rest of us should not be able to fly a gas engine in our aircraft? Of course not. The track record for the DLA and DLE engines has been very positive. I'm not going to question anybody else's choice, but I have heard many Desert Aircraft engines at mid-range blubbering like a newborn baby. Most of the DLE and DLA engines I have seen and heard have been crisp and responsive. I know mine have been.

Now, a word about CMP quality in their ARF's. I have had very good results with what I have purchased. Agreed, the hardware has left something to be desired, but as far as fit and finish, I have been very impressed. I have had at least one of just about everybody's ARF and the quality has all been similar.

I wish I could buy American all the time. I love my country and wish to see us all prosper, however, we have to face the fact that we now live in a global economy. It's tough and it's competive. If I am to be able to enjoy my hobby, I am going to have to spend my money as wisely as possible. I can't always afford the best products, so sometimes I have to purchase the best for the dollar. I think there are many of us now that are forced to do the same.

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I bought only one of their planes a few years ago, it was the cessna 182. The hardware was terrible and some of the parts fit was rough but when it was complete it was one of the best looking models i ever owned.That being said,on the first flight flying straight and level the wing tube broke causing a catastphic wing failure.All I was left with was a smoking hole.Engine ruined ,reciever smashed 2 servos destroyed.When I called Nitro to talk about to them about it they didnt want to hear it.They said it was builder error I did something wrong,so no mater how nice their models look Im one and done with them.

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I have not bought a Nitro for quite a while but the few I bought (low wing trainers when I was just starting) flew well , but I always went in with lots of CA and reglued everything I could reach and replaced all the hardware. So time in the future I may buy a nice build up P51 from them. I cannot bring myself to by a foamy, I do have the build up,not foamy 40 size Spitefire from Phoenix and have a OS 65AX in it and love it. I going to save a few more bucks and buy Hangar 9 Saratoga to put on floats first before I buy the P51.

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LOL! you pretty much nailed it! :D


Don't forget China has a Socialist Government. The Government owns all factories and controls what they do. Also don't forget that China Government hates the US and they are not our friends.

What they are trying to do, ( and I wouldn't doubt it) is to take all of our money so they can destroy us financially. We did this to Russia back in the mid 80's and helped destroy the communist regime.

China is doing it to us the same way, and they do it not only from our Government borrowing money from them, but from them selling us fake or poor quality products and they are trying to destroy the dollar for the Yen. It's been proven that they manipulate the Yen. What the heck, most of the children toys that come from China have, or have had led paint. They'ed rather kill our kids then sell safe products. IMHO

Let's tell it the way it is. This PC is going to be one of our downfalls in the end if we don't do something about it.

Some products are more regulated from China than others. I doubt that CMP/Nitroplanes has any Quality Control at all. Some people can't help from buying Nitroplanes/CMP products dispite the majority of the warnings we pass on to others. It's like Bugs seeing a bug zapper. The zapper for us is that so called bargain. Never mind the majority including myself that thinks CMP/Nitroplanes is a big rip off.

We have to see the big picture here and tie it all in. So people, should we trade with people that don't like us? I would be very nieve to believe that we should trust them with their goods.


Pete

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This is the best, most common sense post I have read in a long time.

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Again more misinformation....

CMP and Nitroplanes are not the same company, one is a US reseller and CMP is a Chinese ARF manufacturer.

Exactly HOW MANY CMP planes do you own that you can pretend to speak with so much authority?

I can cite well over 28 that I own. How about you?

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I had 3 over the period of 10-11 years in the hobby. If I was smart enough to begin with, I would have bought none of them and would have listened to the majority in here. To prove you are wrong about CMP and Nitroplanes being the same, compare websites. You will find that some of the pictures of the airplanes to be the same. Only the brand has been changed. GMC has less models than Chevy, but they are both GM and one is made a little better than the other using the same models, just different name.

CMP and Nitroplanes ARE from the same factory.

I did a rebuild and modification about 8-9 years ago in RCG called "CMP 70" FW-190 Build Along." Most of them were building the large 70" CMP FW-190 version. I bought the Nitroplanes 70" FW-190 version and it was the very exact same thing. So yes, I write this with quite of bit of knowledge about them. I also know they hardly know any English when you call the California Warehouse, besides that of having poor customer service skills.

Do you work or are you a Dealer for them? :D You do however work so hard in defending their non-existing honor. I kind of suspect you have something to do with them. It also seems that you mostly own CMP/ Nitroplanes in your collection. Seems kind of strange when they are so many quality ARF's on the market and you only choose them. It all makes sense to me now.


Pete

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I actually bought a plane from them and in the box was a QC sticker

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There you go! In my Nitroplane FW-190 Box, I had both CMP and Nitroplanes advertising flyers in it. LOL! I forgot about that one. I had the QC sticker in all 3 of mine, but that doesn't mean anything. They were still very poor quality ARF's. As you know I'm sure, anyone can slap a QC sticker on anything.


Pete

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Typical chinese manufacturing imo, sell cheap, deliver cheap. They have the ability, but can flood the market, it hurts the hobby is what i think.

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Purchased a Edge 540T Arf from them, make's a nice paper-weight with 1 lb of lead on the firewall to balance it. Money wasted and Nitro could care less what they sell you, and the price for shipping is about the most offensive amount charged, lower the price of the ARF and increase the amount on shipping to compensate. hmmmm...sound familiar people...lets take a trip to Walley World..yuk yuk yuk. Nitro.....will never see my business ever again, if I wanted to fly a paper-weight I would have put wings on a rock.

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You are very misinformed. I'll make this simple....

CMP Website ===> [link=http://cmpairplane.com/]Click here[/link]

Nitroplane web site -> [link=http://www.nitroplanes.com/]Nitroplanes web site - click here[/link]

Not even remotely the same.

CMP manufactures planes under the "Flying Dream" and "CMP Pro" ( aka CMP ) brand.

Nitroplanes SELLS planes it imports from CMP and other Asian vendors.

CMP -MAKES- planes, some of which Nitroplanes sells.

You will not find a "buy now" or pricing on the CMP web site, and they traceroute back to China.

Nitroplanes is in California and IMPORTS Asian products.

Get it?


Wrong.

Nitroplanes IS NOT a manufacturer, they are a re-seller.

If you go to Best Buy, you can purchase TV's from many Asian manufacturers, but those TV's are NOT "Best Buy" branded TV's, nor manufactured by Best Buy. Get it?


Wrong. And I've been through this myself... Nitroplanes sold a CMP version and a ( believe it or not ) knockoff of the CMP version produced by another Chiniese company called Triones...

See: [link=http://www.trionesmodel.com/]Triones[/link]

I ordered CMP Warbird and received the clone instead, I contacted NP and they sent me out the correct plane ( they let me keep the old one if I absorbed the shipping charges, which I did. )

That is what you received... the TRIONES version.... though very similiar there ARE differences.

If you check out the links I've posted you'll find planes identical to those sold by other U.S. vendors...

e.g. Ak-Models, etc.

Are you going to also tell me that AK-Models and CMP are one and the same too?


That is very true.

Let's see...

1. No I do not work, am not a dealer nor have any affiliation to them.

I could play the same game and imply that maybe you work for a competitor of theirs?

2. I do not"defend their honor", if you bother to look you can find many threads where I've done say a comparison of the Nitroplanes sold Ultimate versus the one sold by World Models ( the latter is better ). I've more than one of both btw.


3. When I've had problems, I've contacted them and patiently dealt with them. Each time I've been more than satisfied with the resolution as they have gone out of their way to correct problems once you contact the right people.

4. You are incorrect in your assumption that I own planes mostly sold by Nitroplanes. I have a lot of them but also equal amounts if not greater from other vendors too.

Don't make assertions and try to imply things that are neither factual nor helpful, it undermines your credibility.

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Ok , I am not taking sides , just some clarity for the facts please :
CMP is not NItro planes and let me explane.
CMP =China Model Products -they were distributed in the states by Giant Scale Planes on there first entry into the USA , then they lost there exclsuive right and Nitro planes along with AKM received the rights to distribute CMP .

Nitro planes and the confusion of the name is much more serious then earlie menthioned . At one time the dreaded and worse seller on ebay , RCU and probably the world lol , was ues indeed ( I am going to say it ) RAIDENTECH !!!! They my freinds are one and the same , and they have about 10 ebay names .
With the evolution of epo foam warbirds and the great supplier of FMS now sold by Nitro under the Airfield brand , Nitro has gained a good reputation in eletric forums with a new young staff and the excellant line from FMScalled airfield by Nitro planes .

I wont buy anything nitro related from NItro Planes lol , they are really now getting known in the eletric forums and I dont see them long term in the fuel forums .
There sister company HobbyParts also has a great rep in batterys and e-supplies like the Monster Motors that are copies of the Horison eflight line .

So again not takeing sides and they will swear they are not related to Raidentech but I even caught them in one post sign off as Raidentech (on another RC site ) and when I questioned it my post was removed because they are a major sponsor of the other site .

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Opjose you are 100% correct and copies are CMP were also sold by Alex at AK and CMP under another factory release known as FLYModel , they also (NItro ) models picked up closeouts from a factory called Willshobby , that was sold on ebay under the Name NewYork Grace , again one of the worse sellers on ebay in history .
Many of the knock off CMP Planes were ok but not the quality of CMP (and I know useually you dont use CMP and quality in the same line ) but in the later releases of the BF109 and the 71" P40 , the models were very very nice for the money.

For the record anyone in this post with cash can be just like nitro planes , all you need to do is go to the international model show , meet with a major factory, agree contrcatully to the factory MOQs (minimum order quanity) and you will have to exceed that if you care to keep the contract or beat someone that has it . The you set your distributor buiness up , add mark up in customer servace , create a brand name , work on exclusive model and name for your products ect , opps I am very sorry , lol I just described Tower , Horison , Hobby Lobby , Hobby People -ALL IMPORTERS AND USA EXCLUSIVE DISTRIBUTORS OF THERE OWN PRODUCTS AND OR FACTORY LINE EXCLUSIVES

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