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Offends? I don't think that is representative of many, there may be a few vocal types that spurn anything of an RTF nature. And it goes ditto the other way.

I would say it is more in the realm of preferences, of which there is much freedom in. Main thing is to enjoy what you are doing, whether it is ARF and ARF parts, building from kits or scratch and repairing, ARF flying and self repairing, etc. If someone does like it, and if we aren't doing something wrong like breaking rules, then tough grits to others. Life is too short to let others control one's happiness.

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Just read the reviews....why would anyone buy from Nitro, banana, etc. Every time someone brings one in the shop
looking for alternative parts that never work, I ask did you see all the bad reviews? Answer "yes but I thought I might get a good one" DUH!

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I noticed you have referenced a Colt and have your nice big dog as your avatar. So you buy quality guns and have the biggest dog you could possibly feed, yet buy the cheapest model airplane you can find and then bitC H when it isn't up to snuff.

I see, I see.

Chris...
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One of the problems with arf's, they deprive one of the ability to problem solve with true building (or rebuilding) skills. And creates a dependent market.



Steve

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My wife bought me the Dynam PBY from Nitroplanes for Christmas. (It came in two days and was really well packaged and so far it all works as advertised.) It's really cool. When I flip it in the drink (it's a flying boat, for the uninitiated) and the esc's or motors, or servos quit, I'll know it was my fault and I'll fix or replace them with my own dough, because the replacement parts will be sub-standard compared to what I can buy at the store.  And, it'll be my fault that they quit.<div>
</div><div>When I stuffed my Park Zone Bf-109 (difficult to fly for a new to R/C guy, I knew that going in but even if I didn't it would still be true and my ultimate responsibility), it was pretty smashed, many pieces, but I glued it back together with 5 minute epoxy and flew it more. When I cratered it at the paved field, it needed parts, all available from Park Zone. I bought what I wanted, fixed the rest, painted it a little to take the edge off of the repairs, and flew it more.</div><div>
</div><div>Moral of the story, this ain't a computer game, it's toy airplanes and they get smashed. Fix or replace. Welcome to the jungle, baby! Buy from China on the cheap or buy from Illinois for a little bit more, it's your choice.</div><div>
</div><div>Chris...</div>

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I just read all these post and nitro is a mixed bag of god and evil i bought a electric plane from them and it was pretty normal ,so i ordered a 55cc ultimate bi plane and a tiger moth. I opened the boxes soon as i recieved them because i was going on vacation well the tiger moth looked like itwas missing parts the hardware bags opened and nuts bots pieces parts were everywhere and no manual, not that it would have been any good to use for other than inventory. My ultimate was pretty much the same so i called and reported it to them and was told they would send them out or i could return the planes but was told they could ship missing parts right away. this all started june 1 2012 well seven months later and twenty conversations and 12 open tickets still no parts the final call was me chewing them out and then telling the girl im not mad at her but that nitro is a company that leaves a bad wake behind them she said she would fix this and by golly she got parts sent just that they are not for either plane i ordered and by the way the hardware for the tigermoth 120 looks rusted and it either not there or your shorted i spent 100.00 or for hardware but put nice stuff on it. the ultimate is really nice hardware will use it all but no wing tubes and some hardware missing. The price of these planes is very good the ultimate is a really good buy if you know up front what you are up agaist dont be in a hurry to put it togeather or be prepaired to wait for ever for parts they do not have and if its a fast moving plane they will sell out and the policey is to never take parts out of a boxed plane sp i know people that bought planes months after i did and i was still waiting for mine.I will never buyfrom them again its not worth the frustration. My friend bought the giant cubwing was damaged in frieght they saidthey would send a new set he repaired the ones he had he recieved the set8 months later wish i knew thiswhen i was looking at them to purchase.I know that some of you may love nitro but i now know that there are alot of people who do not.Just ask around !!



CONS PROS


1 parts are hard to get in a desent time frame 1 very low price some planes are very nice
2repair parts are hard to geton fast moving planes
3 some of the hardware is very bad and rusted
4 they can sell but they cant sevice you
5 YOUGETWHATYOUPAYFOR!!!

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Hey Stuntflyr,
 What is so cheap about Horizon's F4U and T-28? Both are great flyers and yes I can fly as well as anyone. Yet crashes are part of flying.
What part of spare parts from a distributor do you NOT understand? And how is that related to taking responsibility? I crash, I repair.... it's that simple; even simpler if I can get parts. I would suggest you open a window when using CA. These simple princibles may become clearer for you!

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Hey Sarg,
How did you get from expecting "good service, customer satisfaction, and parts support "to lack of responsibility for a crash? BTW, I'll put my flying skills against your any day.
Let me know what dimension you're from so I can visit the land of "no crash".

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I actually have a chance to vist the main distributing wharehouse for Nitro Models in San Gabreil Valley.  I have met and talked to the owner and observed the operation.  It is a LARGE internet distribution center.  They do try to do spare parts but because all the merchandise comes pre-packaged from China the only way to do spare parts is to open a new kit and sell you a parrt out of that; which they will do ocassionaly.  If a spare part is requested a lot they my get a shipment but it has to come from overseas.  I also know the owner of Banana. 

Lets face it we created this problem and passed it on to the new commers.  the first generation ARF's were cheap and bad, but as the quality came up we kept buying and now only dedicated builders can compete. If you talk about time and price it is not even close.  It is really a drag when you work on a sratch built project for a couple of years to have a unique airplane then some ARF company floods the market with your pride and joy made out of foam jusrt before you finish.

Bottom line your airplane was dirt cheap; so you should buy a whole new one and start over.  We want it cheap ,we want it fast and we wan to fly it now,and then we expect customer service SHAME on us.

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Reminds me of the movie. Good call brother. You have taste. :D



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBLMRBjjeoo

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Now you're at the point where you apply your clever, creative hobby skills. Fix the wing, or if it's not fixable.......build an entirely new wing. And don't waste time obsessing about companies like Nitro Planes. Lower your expectations of NitroPlanes, fix the wing yourself, be proud of your clever wing-fixing hobby skills, and have fun.

Welcome to the sport Junior Birdman!

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Now if someone will start another rant, we could share a couple more. http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...sn/biggrin.gif http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...sn/biggrin.gif http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...sn/biggrin.gif

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R Pilot,

Check the following at KillerPlanes.com. They're actually quite local to our club and we invited Steve and Denise to attend one of our meetings and explain his products and what he calls crash-proofing but in reality is more like crash-toughening since nothing is actually crash proof. The price isn't too bad and he does stock spare parts. Make sure you check out the video, it's got some pretty impressive flying characteristics. The guy flying is Steve the company owner. He likes to goof around for sure.

http://www.killerplanes.com/product/...po-rc-airplane

Good luck and happy flying.

Regards,

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I agree that Nitro Models Inc., owners of NitroRCX, Hobby Partz, Nitro Planes, XHeli, etc....is a "mixed bag".

Many forum users have had great experiences with the distributor. I, personally, will never order from them again.

If you absolutely love to talk on the phone, while a customer service specialist holds your proverbial hand, then I recommend Horizon Hobbies and their respective brands. HobbyZone, ParkZone, E-flite, Hangar 9, etc....

If you prefer to fly, crash, repair, and repeat....then the monetary savings from Asian distributors is worth the lack of product support.

But, make no mistake! All ARF and RTF models are made in Asia! Taiwan, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Vietnam .... whatever.

Hobbico, Inc. also provides decent customer service, but you will pay more for their excellent return policies and expedited communication.

The previous suggestion, to buy an entire replacement plane, is a good idea. Nitro Models constantly discontinues older products, and fails to remove the merchandise from their website. So, find any spare parts, while you still can. And, the cost of major replacement parts can often justify buying the entire ARF, anyways.

Also, learn to repair you models, because this will help you become a better builder!

Multiplex products are quite an exception. EPO foam is so durable, that you will never have it that "Easy" again.

The more obvious sailplane to fly, after - hopefully - mastering the Easy Star, is the Easy Glider. But, be prepared to spend2-3 times the money!

Or....clip the Easy Star's wingtips, add ailerons and a brushless inrunner, and four-channel radio....

The major problem I see with Nitro Planes, is the strictlydot-com business model. I, literally, found it easier to reach their employees throughsocial networks, rather than a traditional business channel, like telephones and e-mail. ????

The company survived a change in management, and promised better customer service with the new management, but the people who actually do the work, are still young and inexperienced.

And, obviously, so are you .... keep flying, and after you master a primary trainer - then and only then -decide if you like this hobby for the longhaul.

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[quote]ORIGINAL: kwblake


[quote]ORIGINAL: GaryHarris


Reminds me of the movie. Good call brother. You have taste. :D

Wow. Those legs go all the way up. Last time I saw Sarah Connor, the Terminator was chasing her.

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OztGJhiBQTo

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Nitro planes , hobby king suck ! Cheep schit !

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Learn how to build n repair. You'll always crash. I bring a garbage bag with me flying. When I crash I put it all in the bag, n spread it out at home to see if I can fix it. AFTER th emotions are subsided. If the foam is not smashed into lil pieces it's easy to repair.
Maybe this place can help with a new wing. https://www.flyingfoam.com/
Good luck!

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Either you can't read or you are blind, as I stated..I have crashed. But I don't go around pissing out of my mouth like many new flyers do when I crash. I don't talk ***** about the company I bought the plane from when I crash.
Crashes happen and when they do I'm skilled enough to fix it. Or better yet I will give the crashed plane to some newbie flyer like the op, then go buy a new plane.

I hope your flying skills are better than your grammar.

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sorry your having ahard time. however, nitroplanes doesnt manufacture the plane and most likely their supplier doesnt offer them parts. you buy cheap chinese crap your gonna get crap. best of luck to you.

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yeah I have noticed you bit ching and crying about nitroplanes alot, when anyone has anything to say you jump on the band wagon and complain about NP. I think its time to dry your tears youngster.

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There's a lot of merit in what you say and with your methodology. It is amazing in crash rebuilding how that with the smaller fragments, one can piece together wing ribs, bulkheads, longerons, etc. and salvage a lot of work up front. From the other pieces unsuitable for reusing, after piecing together, one can use them as patterns for cutting out new parts or reinforce them through a variety of methods. So it is worthwhile to pick up all crash damage parts as much as possible. More often than not a wreck can be rebuilt successfully, and with less trouble than building a whole new kit.

The old scratch build masters such as Walt Musciano and the late Keith Laumer used to have chapters in their books on techniques they used to rebuild wrecks.

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I have also ordered from Nitroplanes along with many others at my field and there have been no problems other than the restocking issue. Sometimes you wait years for a product to come back in stock which really sucks but other than that they are a pretty good company. They have a few websites they own like XHeli and NitroRCX. I ordered a car from NitroRCX once and it stopped working (Receiver was acting funny) so I sent it in and asked if I could get the Glider in return, not the money and they agreed. Now that's some good service..<div>
</div><div>If you are a beginner, I would not recommend buying from Nitroplanes if parts are a necessity but if you are experienced and know how to fly, you will have no problems with nitroplanes. Beginners should stick with Horizon Hobby Brands or Hobbico Brands because they both supply parts with their airplanes.</div>

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Well, I don't know that they are required to stock spare parts. If that was a concern, perhaps you should have checked before purchasing. I have had trouble finding parts for items I purchased from T and HH before also.

As far as buying from American companies - they are all having the planes made in the same or similar factories as Nitro.

Now, I have had issues with Nitro myself. Once incident was a plane that would not balance without a TON of lead in the nose. That one was never resolved. The other was that they shipped me the wrong plane but they quickly corrected the mistake. I don't like ordering from them, but when the price is $100 difference on a $400 item, I took a chance.

And - welcome to RCU R Pilot.

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Sarge, once again you are either blind or snifing to much CA. Again I'll ask;
How did you get from expecting "good service, customer satisfaction, and parts support "to  "lack of responsibility for a crash?"
I thought my grammer was quite clear!  Even my 10 yr.old GRANDSON can comprehend the question. As far as youngster goes; I noticed you joined in 2012 vs.my joining in 2009. I've been flying since 2008, bought a few ARFs and even built a few from scratch and plans.
As a newb in 2008, I got suckered by Nitro with a YAK that burnt a motor and could'nt get a replacement..... only a moron would believe that a new plane would would'nt have the same problem.
The standard business model most companies follow includes after the sale service. How would you feel if after having a NEW HVAC system installed you were told to buy a new one because a $25 part failed?
I learned my Nitro lesson the hard way and hope others will not make the same mistake. Do you have a problem with that?
Those who support Mediocrity will never understand excellence!!!!!
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83scamp, Very well said.

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What this guy needs is an instructor and a trainer plane that he can build from scratch or a kit, and before building it, trace the wing ribs on the plans before building and if anything happens then the replacement parts can be built in the amount of time fussing and talking over this china crap company bashing, and besides who cares enough about a cheap plane like this  to bash a company for your crashing into a tree! welcome to rcu

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Eventually we all die anyway, so why not enjoy the time we have here on this blue marble? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S_rmdM6LBw

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Sorry for your disappointmet with Nitroplanes. I think you won't get much sympathy here because most of the old timers have spent years in this hobby without any concept of "replacement parts"

For over 30 years the planes I flew were built from balsa and if you broke it, you had two choices, fix it yourself, or throw it away...

Having easily available spare parts for foamie aircraft is a very recent development in this hobby..

Its a matter of perspective.. I have bought many planes and helicopters from Nitroplanes and they have all been excellent value for money. I wouldn't call the company "bad" simply for not stocking spare parts... To me and many others.. there is no expectation of readily available spare parts..

Here is one idea...

Next time you buy a plane, buy two or three the same.. then you will have a full set of spares for the entire aircraft.. - I am being serious.. this is a fair option with the price of foamies so cheap nowadays.

I did that with the helicopters I bought from Nitroplanes and Hobbyking.. I'd always buy two kits (Average cost $29-$59 per kit) and that let me build one and have a box of spare parts for the entire heli for minimal cost...

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I noticed your second plane was a foam t-28. Good job on moving up.

My second plane was a 30cc extra 260.

Good luck with your foam flying skills!!!

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You started flying in 2008!!! Haha that's funny, your STILL A NEWBIE. You have much more to learn. Let me know when you get 13 years flying and building then you can talk ****. Until then go call nitroplanes and get your self another plane. Your such a joke. Laughing out loud at you!!!!!! :)

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13 years flying...... just a pup...

Try 35....

Lets try to support each other fellas, we all share this great hobby and should help each other enjoy it.... what is the point of trying to make someone feel bad by laughing at them?Is that the type of person you want to be?

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lol

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rc planes arnt like cars..where the manufacture is required to make parts for the vehicle for a number of years...... i should be mad at hangar 9 when i stalled my f-22 and it hit the ground...i need a new fus...and they dont make the plane anymore.

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I've been doing it for 48 years, but the amount of years doesn't necessarily equate to the quality of build and repairs. I've seen some with only a few years experience really turn out nice results.

Agreed.

Going back to the original poster, there are always repairs that someone who is inexperienced can do, with basic adhesives such as epoxy and carpenter's glue for foam, plastic packaging tape, scrap Styrofoam, plywood, etc. The more difficult repairs might provide a challenge beyond their abilities, but there is a certain self satisfaction when one accomplishes a repair that allows them to continue flying the same model.

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I know it is frustrating when you cannot get parts for a plane. I just cannot see the justification for stocking parts on a RTF $100 plane. You get up to the $500 ARF Planes and you expect some parts to be available. Many parts from similar aircraft can be made to work. An ESC or Motor... that is too easy to substitute. Foam wings glue together very well and adding some packing tape it is strong as new. I have got to chuckle at the guys trying to protect their perfect plane. It is only a matter of time before the new wears off. Just how much flying time should you get before you got your moneys worth. I am much more careful with my "good" airplanes, but I have more fun with my crashers! I certainly don't try to crash, but generally, a crash is not that devastating. Just pick up the pieces and stuff them into another airframe. Don't know how? Show up at the field with parts, tools and glue and someone will show you how.

It is a throw away society... why should the hobby be any different?

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Back in the day, kit manufacturers would offer wing kits. I always needed fuselage kits as my wings would always remain in tact. You could get the wing kit though, but you had to build it.
Times have changed. That is for sure.

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A lot of spare parts for FMS,and other Chinese Airplanes can be found here:  http://www.hobby-paradise.com/en/index.html?javaID=d9bd62a154d23498bd15e6fcc498bbf1 <div>
</div><div>There are other websites that stock spares for the aircraft Nitroplanes sells. Use Google, you will find what you are looking for....</div><div> </div>

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Ok Sarg, Get your laughs, since that is all your IQ seems to be capable of. You still don't get it, and can't answer a simple question. For one; I wouldn't support Nitro if they were the last distributor on earth.
I may be a newb after flying RC since 2008 but I flew O2As in Nam and Cambodia and later refurbed a Cessna 337 I've been flying since 1975.
It's not how long you've been in the hobby that counts, but rather what you've accomplished and learned. Some people learn faster than others, obviously you have'nt learned much about medocrity vs. excellence nor the value of a dollar. So, laugh away "crash and buy child"!!!!

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I have a friend who can't see paying the price for a Tower Hobbies or Horizon Hobbies plane and thus has purchased only planes by Nitro Planes an Banana Hobby. Of the 3 planes he has purchased from those places, none are currently flying because he needs parts and can't get them. His most recent buy, a Corsair from Nitro planes crashed and messed up the wing. He can't find a wing anywhere for his plane, not even in their classifieds section. The only plane he has that still flies is the one he bought from Tower Hobbies, a Flyzone Cessna 182 Skylane Select Scale. He just recently bought the Hobby King Dago Red P-51 plane and is afraid to fly it for fear of crashing it and not being able to get parts. I the meantime I continue to fly my Flyzone and Parkzone/Hobbyzone planes with confidence, knowing that parts are only a trip to my LHS or a phone call to Tower.</p>

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I have bought a number of things from NitroPlanes and HobbyPartz as well. Everything came through OK.  The ARF planes were double boxed too.

Unfortunately quite a few ARF and RTF planes sold by many companies and stores do not have spare parts either. One has to double check, if they expect to need spares before the purchase as they don't always advertise it. There are some stores that stock spares for some planes, but you have to check to see if they have spares before you buy. Sometimes they never get the spare parts in too.

Now one time I ordered some retracts from HobbyPartz and they were backordered for a long time. I inquired about it and they refunded the money after a couple of weeks. So it wasn't a big deal to me.  But I haven't had anything damaged yet that I got from them, so I haven't tried to get anything resolved as far as that happening so far.