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Ok guys, time for me to step in here for a bit. There are a few people in here that can't seem to keep personal emotions out of a discussion, and have decided to take out their problems on those that they don't agree with. Let me put it this way. If you can't discuss an issue as this one without resorting to attacking those that you don't agree with, then I would suggest you refrain from entering into the discussion at all. Because if I see any more of these personal attacks I'm going to start handing out some timeouts. This is a simple matter people, and if you don't agree with what some people think that is fine and dandy. We are all entitled to our own opinions. But that doesn't give anybody the right to attack, insult, belittle, or speak badly to anybody whether you agree with them or not. So plain and simple guys, learn how to get along with each other. Otherwise you won't like what happens.<div>
</div><div>For those that are simply trying to discuss this issue I apologize for having to come in here and say this. Unfortunately some have made it necessary for me to have to do this. </div><div>
</div><div>Ken </div>

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That's where I think, earlwb that those who want to take a chance on purchasing planes from some of the volume internet houses that lack spares should expect to be able to repair these ARF's when they crash. Those who don't, then spend a little more on established vendors who do carry spares.

Otherwise, the ones who benefit are those who can repair, who receive these donor crash victims freely for their own use after repairs. :)

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that brought the thread to a screeching halt! We are all too scared to post anything now... ;-)
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Nitroplanes like many others simply don't have a "support after the sale" business model. My only problem with cheap planes is that I wish the companies would put some sort of disclaimer out there. For instance if you bought plane X, then it could state: "This is an AS IS sale and no parts availability offered." Then I know that if the plane comes with a damaged fuselage that is my responsibility.

There are good arguments involved around buying new items. Some use the analogy of buying an appliance and not be able to use it because of a bad 25 dollar part. I think the vendors should do a better job of documenting the ins and outs behind the models they sell. If I purchased an appliance and it stated that there were no parts availability and no support, then that is on me and would drive my decision.

If you knew the manufacturer you may have some recourse but many of the Nitroplanes el-cheapos - you just don't know where they were made. Some manufacturers are good about helping you after the sale if you have photos, etc., but the bad thing is that it may take a long time to get anything done and a lot of labor can be involved which may not be practical and so you have spent more than you would have if you had of just paid more from a reputable supplier.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. I simply do not buy from Nitroplanes based on what I have seen over the last few years from them. I find hardly anything in stock and the few planes I have seen that others have purchased have been as close to pure junk as I even could imagine with the occasional exception. I do buy some cheap planes just not from them. I have learned with any cheap item just not to go in with a great deal of expectation.

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I tell folks this all the time (generally those new to the hobby) buy a system/plane/accessories that are common and repairable.  Normally Specktrum, Futaba, HiTec....Also as to planes the ones that come RTF more times than not from some website don't have buddy capability or spare parts so buy at your own risk.  I normally recommend E-Flite, Great Planes, Hangar 9, the big guys who are hobby grade.

Helis are worse.  I like the gents who pay $100 (slight exaggeration) for a 450  heli yet complain when it doesn't perform or when they crash and can't get parts.  You might as well throw it in the trash...Again stick with the hobby grade stuff.....and dealers...Is paying half the price still a deal when you have a crash - which you will - and you can't repair it?</p>

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IMO only for those who insist on personal attacks instead of participating in the discussion.

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I don't think that would stop the resourceful. It might take a little searching among spares for other helicopters, to find a workable match. A college student might do that to keep within budget. But you are right, find a suitable compromise that allows support along with a reasonably costed heli.

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to rc ken ,how come a newbie who wants to get into a new aspect he knows nothing about and does not take the time to search it out, then gets what he thinks is a bum deal, now has all the time to check it out and complain. if i can not say what i think is his mistake, then why is it ok for him to slam a company for what he thinks is a bum deal , where others have had no problem. when ever i buy r/c products i am not familiar with i search it out and ask questions. it has always worked for me.

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I never said that you couldn't tell him he was making a mistake. Read what I posted again. I said you can't attack, insult, put down, or belittle somebody you don't agree with. I never once said that you could point out they were in error.

Examples
<div style="margin-left: 40px;">"I am sorry, but what you have posted isn't correct"

"Hey, you're wrong you stupid idiot".

</div>Do you see the difference?? It's quite possible to point out that the person is not corrrect without insulting them. And that is the basis of my warning. If somebody can't figure out how to discuss this without insulting those that don't agree with you, then you should avoid discussing the issue. Because the name calling, insults, and personal attacks are done and won't be allowed here any longer. The choice is entirely up to those that want to participate in the discussion.

Ken
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I recently purchased the 50 cc Zero when it dropped to $254.00. I knew I was taking my chances when I did, as I've read plenty about NP. When it arrived, I was pleasantly surprised. It was such a nice plane, I ordered a second, so I would have spare parts. (Thats two 82 inch Zeros shipped for under $600.00)<div>Does this mean I'll by more items from NP? Probably not, but it sure would have been hard to build one at that cost, let alone two.</div><div></div><div>In the end, I got exactly what I paid for. A cheap Chinese ARF , that if I bust up(flying in the tradewinds of Hawaii), I won't be upset.</div><div></div><div>Casey</div>

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Interesting that you fly in Hawaii, Casey, the public model plane field east of the Pali Pass? I used to fly there in the late 1970's, early 1980's.

Of course if you have repairing skills, you could extend the life of both of those ARF's. At least you made a smart move in saving costs and still being able to fly in those 15 - 30 mph Trade Winds with the bigger planes.

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Ken, I was so looking forward to some great entertaining conversations where folks would call each other idiots, dumb____, jack____, etc.! [X(] :D

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I vigerously agree. :D

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I vigerously agree. :D To each their own. I don't understand why people who choose to do as little as they have to on the building/fixing side are villified. It doesn't really affect those that still like to create sawdust.

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Me too but you forgot one word - F.O.G!!
People like them all but ruined our flying club. No one wants to fly there because of a few bad seeds that the club will do nothing about.

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Ok, I may have a brain cramp going on here. What's F.O.G?http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...n/rolleyes.gif

And yes, I realize I may regret asking that question!!! :D
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I think it means "f-ing old guy".

Your warning was effective. The offenders aren't posting and if they do, they owe everybody an apology.

Mike

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That is exactly right! The offenders are as stated. Hopefully they will just keep to themselves. Our club has a few of these guys that have nothing but time on their hands and they are just waiting for someone to make a mistake or to say the wrong thing so they can pounce. Kindof like the kid that got beat up in school and becomes a bad cop!

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Thanks . Reading through this several days after posting and seeing all of the nasty comments I thought I was on another site ! It would have been nice to see more folks trying to help the kid/guy .

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I have bought many planes from NitroPlanes with near 100% satisfaction. Their customer support works fairly well too. I got one of their Tech One planes with damaged decals. They quickly shipped me a replacement decal set which was the wrong color. Once notified they quickly sent me out another correct set.

Had another one where the canopy that came with my Starfire was terribly foggy and I requested a replacement. It was sent out quickly but was hilariously worse than the one I attempted to replace in the first place (hence why it is silver).

NitroPlanes will continue to get my business.

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Not always are US hobby suppliers good.

There was one hobby supplier on E-Bay I will never buy from again. Showed a half dozen tires in 1.5 inch size in the picture. Mentioned nothing of quantities in the description. The only hint was in the item title, something like 35mm lightweight rubber tires in plastic hub (2). I paid around $5 plus several dollars shipping, got only 2 tires. Explanations I got was rude, "anybody who's been in the hobby knows that tires are always packaged in 2's, in essence I should know better. I gave him a marginal rating, he gave me no rating.

Next time I'll buy tires from a China supplier.

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No offense, but that seems like a pretty clear hint.

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With a picture of six (6) tyres? There is a conflict.

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This is where the misunderstanding with NitroModels Inc. originates from.

NitroModels Inc. does not follow the "standard business model".
And, comparing HVAC service to an online-retail business is a poor example.

Many online retailers, including NitroPlanes use a "direct distribution" business model.
HobbyKing goes even further from the standard, and uses a "drop shipping" service.
In other words: the merchandise you receive maynotactuallybe stocked byyour online retailer.

"Wholesale-to-the-public" is a much better comparison, when referring to American distributors of Chinese products.

Nitro Models is -in fact- an online distributor, as well as a retailer.

The customer benefits from a lower price with direct distribution; however, the possibility of brick-and-mortar or on-callcustomer service does not exist.

No warranty, express or implied: http://www.nitroplanes.com/teandco.html

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You could have checked first to see if you could buy replacement parts for that plane before you purchased that kit.

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If you want good flying and spare parts, get the Hobbyzone Super Cub LP. That plane is a great trainer and is a hoot to fly, it also has great low speed characteristics which is a real help when learning to fly. When I was training with it, I went through 7 cowls, 2 wings, and 3 tails, and you can order it all from Hobbyzone's website.

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Quite simply, you get what you pay for in many different ways. Best of luck.

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I'm on my 4th big AT6 in the last 5 years. They are cheap and fly great. Can't ask for more than that. Not their fault that bad things happen. Paul

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Should not have hit the tree I have a 1/3 scale cub from them with a dle 55 on it and theres nothing wong with the aircraft and as far as nitro goes I would have no problem ordering from them agian!

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I didn't know they sold a 1/3rd scale cub.

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It's a cheap $195, it's throw away basically, they have replacement parts, buy another one. Here is some free advice, don't fly into houses or trees, join the AMA and fly at a sanctioned AMA field without obstructions and get some flight instruction.

I would buy from Nitro Planes but they don't keep anything in stock to buy.

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I've purchased fromNitro planes twice. My first kit (T-45)  arrived with shipping damage. Due to the cheap box the Chinese manufacturer packaged the kit in. Nitroplanes shipped out a replacement THE VERY DAY MY DAMAGED KIT ARRIVED BACK TO THEM. And the second kit arrived,withe very similar  damage. I talked to a manager in customer service. He had another kit pulled from inventory,inspected before shipping.And actually ADDED EXTRA BUBBLE WRAP IN THE THIRD KIT. I don't know how you can expect any better service than that. The third kit arrived in perfect condition. To show my gratitude I promptly ordered another plane (Dehavaland  Beaver) It arrived in great shape. As far as I'm concerned NITRO PLANES WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR ME. I highly recommend them. For the price,the ARF's were nicely built,and look great. I am a long time builder (40 years) and am amazed at the quality of some this ARF stuff out nowadays.

Oh yeah, Nitro Planes is NOT an honest company!!!!!! Over a year and a half ago I ordered a new cowl for their large AT6. I've been given every dumb excuse for over a year. They have had my money, but the #$&*($# won't ship me my order!! Tried to go to their web site and customer service and get this "RC Discuss" and they are a computer support company. So I can't get in touch with them via E-mail. Brother, what $#&^%$ !!! JMO.
Motorhomer

Nitro Planes Hmmm....

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Nitro Planes Hmmm....

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