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I am getting ready to move away from my trainer is the twist a good idea the guy at our LHS says because my radio has dual rates and to set the travel low on the elev and ail that is will fly pretty easy what do you all think, I have a sim and have been flying a simalar palne and other than it responding MUCH faster it seems to be no problem. let me know
thanks

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Keep the rates on low and you'll come to love the Twist.

Peace

Downtrodden

Cannons, huh, tell me more. (You're not the folks that produce replica cannons are you?)

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missouricannonworks, no matter what some folks say, I think a simulator is a very useful learning tool. It can shortcut a bunch of trainer time. I wouldn't go any lower than the given low rates. I don't see a problem as long as the cg is near the front of the given range. You can move it back later.

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Tim C, I hope I didn't imply that the rates should be lowered beyond those recommended. That was not my intention. Peace.

Downtrodden

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Not at all Down. I was just suggesting that one might think that if the given low rates were good, lower yet might be better. Someone new to 3-D type planes might not realize that at the super slow speed they fly (below stall speed), most of the control comes from big throws and prop wash. What looks like way too much throw for a sport plane, is just right for a Twist. I've always thought a good rule of thumb is that when the prop pitch goes down and the diameter increases, the throws can go up.

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Thanks alot that is exactly what the guy at the LHS said. Tim I agree with you about the simulator 110% I had flown twice (if you wanna call it flying) on the trainer link with our club prez and then bout the g3 sim used it till about 3 in the morning that night and of an on a more days, the next time we went out the prez was amazed he never had to take the plane from me at all, I even tried a few little loops and rolls which took him completely by suprise... 5 days later I was on my own landing with no troubles! all in less than 2 weeks! now Im screaming for something that will turn alot faster and will do what I want it to when I want it to and I think the twist will do just that!
Again thanks alot guys!

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I think some of the old timers get hot about new pilots advancing so fast with the help of the simulator. New pilots now days with the help of the sim, ARF's and RCU can move up in the hobby fast. Soon they are doing things the old timers will never be able to or want to do. I think some of the enjoyment of the hobby for them is to mentor and pass their knowledge to a new pilot. Well, the new pilot might just want to fly, not build, and wants to fly a different style (3-D) than the old timers. This kind of leaves them out in the cold.

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Tim C,

You're on the money with that statement.

Peace

Downtrodden

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Well Put Tim,

as for me, I consider myself a not so old timer yet, but I do love to teach people how to fly, its fun, especially when they start getting to try and land, and their first take off, the look on their faces are great,, such a feeling of accomplishment to them. so when a newbie gets there, and pulls his new ARF Or plug and Play out of the box, and then takes to the sky like he's been flying for 50 years, Thats when the Great Waldo Pepper makes his appearence and blasts the newbies plane out of the sky:D:D There,,, Can you do that I say. :D No,,, I'm just kidding, sounded good though.

Missouri,, The Twist is an Excellent slow flyer, and Explosive when you want it.
get yourself a Twist you won't regret it.

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Waldo,

I'm noticing an agressive side to you. As I look into my crystal ball I can see that combat is in the near future for you. (Or at least a crash that looked as if it resulted from air to air combat.) *Again, a blanketing statement that proves the mastery of the obvious*

Mornings aren't so good when my back is already protesting today's bathroom remodel. (Cast iron tub removal to boot!)

Peace

Downtrodden.

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Welcome to RCU Missouri . I just in the last month graduated from the trainer stage . I went to a 4* .40 next because it is recommended as a good 2nd plane, more aerobatic than a trainer and good low wing trainer . I only flew it for 2 weeks when I got my used Twist for only $20 and have only flown the 4* twice since . At the advice of the great guys here I set the CG at 4 1/4 set the rates low and then added my radio, servos and an OS .46 AX engine . I love this plane and like it much more than the 4* . For me the Twist was just as easy if not easier to fly than the 4* and easier to land smooth . If you do get the Twist remember you have to fly it %100 of the time there is 0 self recovery if you get in trouble so fly it 3 mistakes high till you get use to it ;).

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Yep, and the sad part is I read it three times. You see, I am a visual and kinesthetic learner, so the picture Tim put up made sense before I even finished it. I do however, applaud you instructions. Very detailed.

Down, thanks for the info. I'll replace the carbon tube, but I'm going to use your wrap and ca method. Upon further inspection, it split straight up the side.

Dean

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Jack you never did answer my question the other day about getting the Long EZ up in the air. When is that going to happen? I bet you guys had a fantastic day flying, huh? You must have bettered your record today! Warm, sunny and calm.......mmmmmmmboy! What I wouldn't have given to have been there! I was ripping up pee soaked floor boards when you were soaring with falcons, but aside from thinking about fuel-soaked balsa I couldn't draw any other parallels to your day.

I was able to get three flights in with the foamy and ended just a few minutes ago and that is reason enough for anyone to invest in one. Just walk out the door and hand launch....away you go. I was landing on the changing house roof (6/12 pitch) and using it as a takeoff ramp, what a riot! The worst part of it is, without a spotter people walk up behind and around you and take up runway space. They can land vertical, but it's unnerving having people so close. Next time I'll take one of the kids as a spotter.

Peace

Downtrodden.

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Gotta Short Story. My son & I was flying behind the house yesterday afternoon. We had his 4star up & I was bringing it around to land, Well I landed in a tree (stuck way in top of it). After my son stopped laughing at me I got a rope and hooked a tree limb shaking it to get the plane to fall, Well when it did that sucker hit me in the top of the head, D--- near knocked me out. Well my kid is telling everyone we see about it ( Dad crashed my plane and it hit him in the head). Spent all day rebuilding it. Almost ready to go again.

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Good move kshahan. Your head helped to soften the landing of the 4 star. Kids sure love having something on their dad. They really love it when they out-fish you.

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Yeah, Down, we had a good day, Kev, Rick, and I. Rick maidened an F-17 look-alike (tricycle gear) with some small engine. Did well.

The .50 on the Katana is shot, though, I think. Making awful sound in the air, though it did yeoman service for two flights. Then I put the Twist on the table only to discover the port aileron working weird--as if it had a broken gear. I HAD an extra servo in the Jeep, so I took the one on the Twist apart--and found NO broken gears. But I DID find an alien piece of something, soft, not hard like a gear tooth. I inspected and reinspected those gears, then put it back together with the same gears. No problems. Go figure.

Rick had trouble with his Taco engine, too, several flameouts--and no smaller props. It was warm, for sure. Then he worried about his Twist--with the 13x5 prop. He had no real problem with it, but changed to my 12x7 for fun. ALL the engines felt hot to the touch--even richened a bit. That's why we were worried about prop loading. But there seemed NO difference between the 13x5 and 12x7 on his Twist. We need a heat sensor--to be sure. I had a flameout with the 12x7 prop on the Twist--WITH the pressure check valve and two clunks. That whole problem is STILL a mystery. A PNP Twist with the 46 Evo is in my future, methinks.

I have to read up on props, engine loading, and heat.

I could NOT find a reasonable. dependable thermal, believe it or not (flying at 3 pm), with the Hirundo, though, for the first time this year, I flew in my T-shirt. The wind was out of the NE, off Chassell Bay, which upset the places where they USUALLY are.

I took a basket of fruit to the Larsons and met one of the boys, thanking him for the use of the field. He LOOKS like Ben, but said he's a "first cousin." Anyhoo, you owe me $3.50 [$25/7] for the fruit basket.

And, for Twist's sake, save us the commentary about outhouses and pee-soaked wood--or balsa--or I'll sick JJ on your boots again.

J

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kshahan, great story. I'm still laughing.

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Oh, Down, the Voyager: the Pitts muffler came in today, and I found the cowling, so I'll try to get it on for the weekend--and break in that engine--with the vicious pusher prop. How about I let YOU tune that engine?

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Flying tomorrow morning? Laurium? I'll be there I think.

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Down, I'll be there--about 9.

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See you there

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kshahan,, Now thats using your head, You see fellas, that is dedication to the hobby, using the ol noggin to break the fall of a craft, very well done, and i'll bet you are the talk of your kids school too. [8D] glad to hear its almost back together again.

DownT I don't really have an aggressive side, but I do joke around alot, See I'm a late 60's hippie, it takes too much energy to be aggressive,[8D] I do however have a big mouth, I seem to find humor in everything, including the cast iron tub issue, Just before we moved, a friend of mine asked if we wanted a Cast iron tub he was getting off a job, my wife of course immediately accepted, I of course tried to decline, but I was over ruled, [&o]The new tub was going to be on the 2nd floor of the huge garage we just built, I pictured a nice plastic tub and shower combo thing, (nice & Light) it took 2 of us to haul that baby upstairs (19 stairs) that was a long way up with that hunk of iron, and yes, my back screamed at me for days, so I flew the twist for the next couple of days, just to regain my composure.:D

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I flew my Twist yesterday and was having such a good time with it. I was wondering if anybody has sealed the hinge lines on the ailerons and elevator and if that makes any difference in the way it flies.

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I am amazed at the difference temperature makes in the performance of a glow engine. It was about 80 degrees and humid yesterday evening at the flying field. I set my os .61fx at it's normal mixture setting, and took off. I wasn't pushing it real hard, however when i would do a close flyby I noticed the engine sounded a little funny. Almost like it was missing a little bit. The engine was really hot when I brought it down. I let it cool for a while, and then put it up with another quarter turn of richness to the mixture. This helped a bit, but I noticed a definate difference in performance. The motor would not spool up near as high, or as fast. I am using an APC 14x4 as suggested by you guys, so I shouldn't have it over proppped. The motor probably has 50 tanks of fuel through it or so, so it is realatively new.

Does this sound normal to you guys? Should I expect these power drops on warmer days? Anything I can do to help this?

Down and Jack,

According to your posts from yesterday, you guys are probably getting set up to fly about now. 9am start time on a friday, must be nice! I will be thinking of you guys as I am stuck in my windowless office. Hope you guys have a blast.

Jack,

Be careful, I think you are about due for another crash. It has been about a week now hasn't it.;)

Happy flying,

Adam

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Adam,

Whoa! We suggested a MAS 13x5 for cool/cold weather, not 80 degrees! I'm currently using an APC 13x4, but you have to understand that we are located on the southern shores of Lake Superior and 60 degrees is a beautiful summer day, here! Jack has switched to a 12x7 APC, but it's performance isn't what I would consider ideal. (For my type of flying, anyway.) That 14x4 is what I think Jack uses on his 82 Saito, ouch....I hope you didn't do any permanent damage to that engine.

Windowless office? I think Waldo has one of those as well...what's up with that? My view on life is to enjoy retirement as much as possible each day and not wait for some arbitrary age to do so. It's also why I drive a $100 aircraft carrier (Chevy APV), you see I doubt anyone will look at my life and gauge it's success by financial appearances. (Debt has made a lifelong friend of me.) I pity you though, but you have a valid arguement in which to spend time in the sun.....either getting a tan or absorbing that vitamin (A?) and fortunately you can do both while flying!!!!

I must commend you on your accurate assessment of Jack's flying ability, but unless he had another flight after I left him, he took all of his birds home intact, today. (But, hey.......now that I think of it........he has already planted one bird this week!) You'll have to wait until next week.

Everyone that flies up here acknowledges the poor influence (flying everyday...all day) Jack has on them, but until our signifcant (female) others say something...we figure we can live with it.

Peace.

Downtrodden.