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LuftwaffeOberst

You can check all my Post, I usually just post on my own experience with models and keep my comments (good / bad) to Models I have experience with, flown or built. I have noticed that you for some reason hate ALL CMP models and always trash them all. Have you built them all or any? Which have you built? You stated 2! Which 2? Did you finsh them? Could you please list the ones you have built and flown.

Myself I own the 72" ZERO, 73" P-40 Warhawk, & Gee Bee. CMP or knock off version. Check my profile or my web site and you will see video or picks of my flying & building. I myself think these Models I have described are a great buy for the money.

I noticed in your profile that you have 2 yrs building experience. There are no photos or models listed. Is this just building & flying High wing trainer type planes< ie trainers /cubs ect? I could not find anywhere in your profile other planes you have flown or built. Now forgive me because I just search a few threads we have been on together not the whole of RCUNIVERSE. Please this is not an attack on you just trying to gather information on your experience with these models so if myself and others are to follow your instruction we know where your info is coming from.

I myself have no afiliation with CMP / KMP / or other knock off versions I just like the ease and time these models I have built have saved me.

Now I must admit I do change hardware and advice from some other Club members and others who have built these models for advice on making it the best model I can and of course use some of my own ideas. I myself have yet to own a bad model from these guys. Maybe I'm just lucky or go a little farther and create a great model.

Now I am sure there are bad ones produced and if you search RCUNIVERSE you will find all models with this same outcome. Goldburg ( early days complaint they were built way too light & would not hold up to stress in the 3D models) & Hanger 9 ( Mustang & Corsair ) you could find page after Page on them and landing gear problems and rebuilds. Greatplanes I don't even want to go there with models with problems too many to list. All of above SEARCH PROBLEMS and you can find them.

There is no doubt in my mind that you have purchased a cmp or knockoff version and had a problem. Was it the kits problem or your inexperience only you truly know this. My only concern is that you are bashing all CMP in every forum you can find something listed on them. If I only listened to you stating how they are all soooo bad I would not have owned any and had the fun building and flying these models and would have been cheated by your comments.

Anyone who visits this forum and would like advice from me on MODELS I HAVE BUILT please feel free to PM me or comment here and will answer you...

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For MY $$ I will stay with the quality kits and afrs. I have had one CMP, It flew like a rock, heavy. This is just My personal experience. Someone with more experience than Me could have better luck. To Me this is not personal, it just My experience with a Kat 50.

Peter Dowling makes a good point. BULL-RCU makes a good point.

john

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Thank you John

I agree about certain arfs that are not built for certain People or types of flying. I owned a VMar 540 edge. It flew very heavy and snap at a dime. Now I had a 61 2stoke in it and it would fly, but not as well as many I flew. It was built like a brick and a 540 should be light on it's wings. Others like some of the VMAR planes they buy... For the same money I could list a couple simuler planes to that 540 edge I think are a better value. I do not bash the whole line of VMAR I have not built or flown them all.

Is there something simular to the Kat 50 that you have found that you think flys or buuilt better?

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Hi Bull-RCU - I just wanted to thank you for the PM you sent me earlier on. I do not like to bash anyone, far be it , for I am not perfect in my building and flying. But I agree with you, certain ARFs are not for certain people or certain types of flying. I guess many new builders think that ARFs should take a couple of hours to build and be ready to go. In my experience, I'm lucky to be able to cut off about 1/3rd to 1/2 of the building time from a kit. I will be the first to say that my Zero took about 20-25 hours to get ready (but this also included my painting and set up). Personally, I still love to build kits, but sometimes that ARF is so much better than my skills especially in fiberglass. I can honestly say that my CMP was a very quality kit (with the exception of some of the hardware). The instructions need some work, but then again, the pictures did better than the translation. I know that some others have said great things about other companies ARF's and I'm glad that they were happy with them, but then again I have been disappointed with some ARFs that I've built. To each his own I guess.

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No problem Bassfisher I'm glad I could add my little bit of experience to add a hand... Some day I may recall the favor when I build something you have built...

I have 2 Projects in the works a Scratch Built Lazy ACE Biplane 8ft wing span top and bottom. Still in the framing stage... AND very excited about the KMP STUKA coming out. Will buy that right away from KMP. Would love to have a knock off come out without the extras and pay $250 for it insted of $500. I'm sure I will modify the KMP too.

Send me a couple photos love to see your ZERO. Can't wait till spring to get mine back in the air... It's a really nice flying Warbird.

couple photos Not of my Lazy Ace but what one looks like. My zero at a fun fly this summer What a Great VIEW from the field. My buddies Corsair What a monster and 2 yrs of part building...

PS: Handsome guy in the photos LOL ME

PSS: LOVE The passion of all in this hobby. It is such a great society. Most do not say things to hurt it is with the intent to help and guide. Just as we find in the world today easy to find fault rather then the good. People love to dwell on the bad and relish in it rather then the good.

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CMP good or bad , I guess its in the eye , experience and feel of the purchaser . I am not going to defend CMP anymore because I dont get paid by them lol and some people just get to emotional over the entire thing lol [X(].

For the original person who started this post please understand , in my humble opinion , remember its all me , I love them !!!! . I dont want to define you as a modeler or not by unknown ability on my end , i dont know you personally or your skills .
I will say this , CMP or any arf , need to be tweeked --again in my opinion , again my opinion and experience from building planes and assembling arfs and reading every post of interest from skyshark , H9 , CMP , VMAR ,VQ , evergreen , ect ect has shown me that many of the members on rcu will not fly any arf out of the box with out some safety mods, hardware mods or reinforcement .

Does that make those who dont any less or better , no its just my experience . I have had my H9 corsiar for two years problem free ...why ??? because i glassed the firewall , the retracts bays , rails and front gull bend and guess what , no issues ect ect .
I have had my VQ p40 , flying 3 years , same deal .

If I invest , spend , steal a plane for $75 tp $300 bucks from a shop or ebay , do you think I am going to risk it on one or two simple elements that I feel are less them quality or somewhat in question .

If you read the post and articles on guys who never crash (thats not me by the way lol :eek:) you will see one resounding similarity ----redundancy in there dedication to check and recheck everything . Because I dont build in this time of my life and my planes range from 90 to 180 4 stroke size engines , I feel for the safety of those around me to check everything .
As a result I wont trust any hardware , wood , or any thing to chance , not just to save my model , but to be responcible ... again in my opinion .

Therefore , with my redundency (spell check ) I will invest in any hardware , flberglass or anything that makes my planes better .

So with a littel TLC , in my book CMP just like H9 and many of the others are great values for your money .

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I'll throw my 2 cents in.And just say that the CMP line is getting better since the first one I Bought 2 years ago on ebay.I just bought the 120 size Hellcat from AK Models and for $218 to my door and deliverd in 4 days right after Christmas I would say,WOW. Like all the other arfs it needs some work to make it your own.You don't really think GP and H9 build their planes here do you? I did alot of searching and Alex at AK has the best prices and a fair shipping cost. There you go.

People don't care what you know,until they know how much you care.WWJD

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I think several of the ARF companies are improving the line of stuff they sell. LDM basically said how I feel on the matter. I don't get a dime from CMP either. They all need some work before I fly 'em anyway so why not save a few bucks by buying a CMP once and awhile. I just built another one. A little 50sized Mustang. Had all the stuff laying around so the whole thing ended up costing $119.95.
Posted some shots of it last of thread. Came out a tad nose heavy even with the scale forward mounted tailwheel .(stearable) Just perfect.

[link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_5275496/tm.htm]CMP P51-D Mustang 50[/link]

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i thinkluftwaffeoberst got either a bee under his bonnet or trying to force the poor bloke in to buying some thing that he does not need.There is nothing wrong with cmp planes i have got many of them. so some of the hard ware might not be up to scratch but if you don't throw them aroud they will last{ flying scale like} if you are going to 3d them then buy better hard ware

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davo , Luff purchased one CMP , the FW , he actually threw the plane away based on a screw not being long enought for the control horn thru the wing surface .
How many time does that happen , even with goldberg quality parts .
Like I said , experience will cure many problems along with some patience and plenty of RC friends .
Its a shame that he did not reach out and simply ask how to recess a horn and reinforce the area , or where to get a longer screw lol :D

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too true... you got to check every thing before anything else

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we are only human but to throw something away that don't go right the first time an't right

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amen to that

hey davo! i love that Aussie accent ;)

V.

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47 years to perfect it lol.. no really born and bred here but if have money will want to visit and fly there

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Well, I don't know anything about Luff, but I will briefly state my RC experience: approximately 10 years, I started in the late 1970's for about 5 years, left the hobby until 5 years ago. I've built lots of kits, now I just assemble ARFs. I fly only 3D, so I pay a lot of attention to how my planes fly.

I bought two CMP ARFs, a Katana 72" and a Giles 40 size. I completed and flew the Katana, I got about 10 or 15 flights on it before I crashed it trying to pull out of a knife edge spin. Sure, the Katana flew, and for someone who just flies circuits, they might find it to be okay. But for any sort of aerobatics (not 3D, just basic aerobatics) it was a piece of junk. It was way overweight, about 2 lbs heavier than it needed to be. It was constantly wanting to snap unless I babied it. Also, the initial Katana had a major design flaw - the wing wasn't strong enough. CMP came out with a reinforced designed, but the distributor that I bought it from demanded $20 to get the new wing. Not that it mattered much, the wing weighed almost 1 lb more, it was obvious that the designer didn't know how to reinforce a wing.

I had to replace a lot of the hardware on the Katana, it cost me at least $50 extra. And no, I didn't use my parts bin, I don't have one, I only assemble ARFs now. I must have missed the part on the box under requirements where it said "requires comprehensive parts bin". Apart from replacing some 2-56 pushrods on my U-can-do 60 with 4-40 parts, I have never replaced the hardware in other ARFs, and I really push my planes.

I never built the Giles. I looked nice, but many of the same plane were built by club members and they had a bad reputation - much to fragile. But I must admit that this plane was much better designed than the Katana.

Since my club is located very close to a major importer of CMP, they were initially very popular planes. Most days I used to see at least 2 or 3 CMP planes, now, I rarely see any. Even the warbirds have a poor reputation - they may look okay but they are far too heavy.

Malcolm

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The history of CMP is very long and boreing , if you want to know how the planes evolved and how they compare today just ask me so I dont feel I will take over this post .
I have been to the store , talk to the original owner and despite many people not likeing him he has some great insight into the RC demographics and import success .

The sport planes are probably there worse but soon to be all composite and very high end quality .

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Cam could you tell me what you think of the 330l i'm interested in getting one

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i have a cmp yak 54 .50 is the worse i ever have flys like drunk bird in the air up and down all the time .
to landing is terrible you can't have control the airplane in low speed is too heavi

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I have a extra 330 50cc. its poo-poo.

Totaly crap. Worst plane ever. There is no more paint on it, it fell off.

But i also have a cessna, and its one of the best il ever seen:) Just love that plane!

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Well I had a 330L until today. Yes I crashed it. The hardware was POS and the instructions are just inadequate. I worked with this model for about a month trying to get the weight and CG right. I could not get any tech support from CMP or the company I got the 330L from. I guess you get what you pay for.

On take off the right wing clipped the runway and at this point the wing tube bent. Then the plane snapped and ripped the left wing off. It did not even hit that hard but the model was trashed.

I can not recommend to any one to buy a CMP model.

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Some friends of mine have tried the sailplanes from CMPro... I am happy they did and not I. The wings were flexing alot, at high speed they did twist so much that they had problems recovering at all. And yes: the painting fell off like dandroff...
I pay 50% more and get gadgets which work.
But I have heard people who are quite happy with some of the warbirds from CMPro!

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This is the way My experience has been with CMP

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I'm interested in purchasing a few CMP 9g servos from Nitroplanes.com, any thoughts as to the qaulity of CMP servos?

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I have three CMPs: 50 sized P40 & Zero and a 90 sized Hellcat. The Hellcat was my first and had some alignment issues, but is a great flying plane. The P40 has been a REAL project plane and has yet to impress me. I did do some major mods to the wings and fuse to get air retracts and flaps on the plane. I just upgraded the motor so I am hoping to get a better flying plane soon. The Zero has been great, no problems from the start. It flys awsome and is very fast and lands easily. All my planes are electric conversions so there has been some motor and battery installation issues, but otherwise good planes for the price. I think the 50 sized are a little small for air retracts and wouldn't do that again : )


Jeff

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Received my first CMP model today, a 140 size Extra 300s. Scanned the manual and airframe briefly (delivered to work) and first impressions were good. A few addendum's to the manual detailing upgrades, and it looked complete enough for anyone with some experience assembling ARF's. The packaging was really quite good, and the model itself looked great, without the "old lady in a shower look". Looks like some improvements over the past posts have been made, at least on this model.