CMP..Good or bad?
 

Ran across China Model Products planes at Raiden Tech inc. I really like the Passion from CMP.
Does anyone know how their quality is ? How do they fly? Ya know, the important things ... I can find no reviews ,and the price seems good..but a deal ain't always a deal.. Thanks for any help. MG ps.. anyone know why Raiden Tech would list the Giles 202 (same plane ) twice (different price????

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Raidentech is a legit supplier. I've bought 3 planes from them with no problems. I only buy CMP warbirds from them so can't say much about the other plane types. But the CMP line is well known in warbirds forum for quality kits and excellent flyers, not bricks with engines like some other lines. Their planes are really the best bang for the buck. I don't buy goofy planes from GP, H9 anymore after seeing what I can get from CMP. Hope this helps.[:-]

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Yeah Thanks... I was curious .. so many companies out there trying to make a buck with cheapie-stuff. I really would like to find their Christen Eagle... I doubt I could get it in the air and NOT kill it, but Man -o-Man!! is she a pretty Bird! Thanks again,kmtranmd, for the advice.. Regards, MG

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CMP planes are fine ... they are all ok ... no need to really worry, they are slightly over the ideal weight only and they fly well.

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There quality is good they fly well i had the extra 73" a little heavy slow to pull out of a dive or bottom of a loop.
The advertised flying wait of mine was 5.2kg but when built with the supplied hardware no servos, radio or engine it was already 5.1Kg engine fitted and radio finished at 6.4kg

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Does anyone know what kind of covering CMP uses Chinacoat, or Ultracote/Oracover?

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I have the Passion 60, it's alot of fun but you need alot more motor then advertised.

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I have the CMP Spitfire, Corsair and Giles 202 1.40.

All are very well built. The Spit is the only one I have flown as yet, and it flies great - very scale like with a 1.20 4-st.

I'm just putting the Giles together now - superb quality. I'll post some pics when it's finished.

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I just ordered the CMP P-51 from Raiden-Tech. Anyone have thoughts on this plane. Exspecting it in Friday. Seems heavy.. but looked pretty nice
Thanks

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I have an Extra 300 that I bought from a seller at Ebay for about $135 to my post office box. I may have paid a little much for it but I can't complain. This is my first arf so I am not at all qualified to say much about it. Itlooks great. I am useing a Saito 100 GK mounted inverted and I had to do some surgery to the nose to get the tank lower to keep from flooding the engine. I gave the dowel rods to my blue and gold mcaw because it looked like a major PITA to get it ran out the back.He took care of them in no time.;) I cut some of the covering on the bottom rear of the fuse to get some ni rods to the elevators and rudder.I guess I can say I am happy so far with this plane but it has yet to fly so we'll see.

Bill

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I've just started assembling a CMP Corsair 120. So far the kit looks good. I've ordered a BCMA 26 for it. However, given some of the threads that I've read regarding the delamination of the wing I'm a little scared. I was considering ordering the CJM retracts for it but I think I'll wait and see how it all turns out.

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Pilotbum:
I just finished a CPM120Corsair. It seems very strong but I would suggest another method of hooking up the flaps as the cable they supply and the guide tube will flex when pushing the flaps into the up position.
I'm going to install two servos into the wing just aft of the flaps.
I installed the CJ retracts and they work fine. I had to build up the landing gear area to fit the retracts because the flanges are outboard instead of inboard.
I flew it this past Sunday and it flew very well and was very quick with a 1.00 Evolution. Would fly scalelike at about 1/3 throttle.
It weighs 12.25lbs dry with 8 oz up front to balance.
I just ordered a heavy hub to replace some of the lead.
I'm also getting other stars and bars as the one with the ARF IMHO are the wrong blue.

Happy flying


Tom

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CMP stuff is fine I have the ZERO with century retracks... I spent a little extra time weathering it but worth the work... Throw out most of their harware... JUNK. I would be more worried about the company you are ordering from... If item is in stock you are fine if not they will take your money and send it when it comes in... I ordered my zero from them they sent me a fake order shipping # after 1 1/2 months of emails and phone calls they finally refunded my money saying sorry not in stock.

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Pilotbum:
By the way I had to move my servo location for the rudder and elevator aft (built another servo tray) to allow for the retract valve and servo. The throttle servo was fine at the pre-set position.
Good Luck with yours.


Happy Flying

Tom

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Hi Guys,

I just picked up a CMP ~75 " Ws Corsair 90/120 from a felow in a trade. The plane is partially assembled, but there are no instructions or plans with it. Does anyone have the instructions / plans for this bird?

Thanks,

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I have the Spit and FW190. The Spit has a 25cc Brillelli gas engine and the FW190 has a Saito150. They both fly well and seem to hold up to extreem misuse. I don't think they are for the first or second time builder since they do need mucho TLC to prepare them for a solid carefree flight. I used SpringAir retract units in both with Robarts struts on the Spit and custom built 8" Robinaires on the FW190.

tIANci said it very well. (quote below)

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You buy cheap, you get cheap and it will take considerable work to get CMP's flying properly. Also, you can not use all the Hardware and the Paint chips off easy.

You have to fuel proof the entire aircraft, because CMP doesn't do it... so it seems, and the directions are Vague. ( If you even get the directions) The CG (Center Gravity) wasn't listed, and the manufacture requested CG is way off. The DC ( Dead Center) on the Firewall is way off, so engine mounting will be a little tricky. The Flaps, Ailerons and Elevator measurements are off from each other, and all CMP's take a lot of additional modifications to be structurally sound.

My suggestion is, don't be suckered in because of the price. Save your money and purchase a Hanger 9, Sig, Goldberg and Great Planes. Sure most of there planes cost more, however the quality is much better than CMP... and you don't have to worry too much about any paint chipping off and you can use ALL the hardware. I bought two CMP's and the quality was the same. [sm=thumbs_down.gif]

If you buy a CMP, forget about buying parts... they're non-existant. That's unless you buy another kit of your plane, or find a wrecked CMP on E-Bay etc.

Also, look for any reviews in any of the Magazines or On-line, you will find that they aren't any, however the other companies I mentioned have mostly good reviews.

So if your looking for a plane that looks good, and you want to go to the field in a couple of days and don't want to spend a ton of money on Hardware and paint etc, buy what I suggested.

So I disagree what has been written so far from my own personal experience. Sorry for throwing the Dog Poo in the middle of the Parade, somebody has to explain his question a little better honestly.

Watch it kmtranmd, Sales people do come in to some of these Forums, and if they can sell you there brand, they make money. ;)

Good Luck,


Peter Dowling aka Luftwaffe Oberst
AMA District II # 865404
Aero Modelers Club
Pulaski, NY

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China. Compared to Ultra, I don't like it very much. It wrinkles like a Bull Dog out in the sun, however not as bad as the Ultra or Mono.



Peter Dowling aka Luftwaffe Oberst
AMA District II # 865404
Aero Modelers Club
Pulaski, NY

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The covering on my Passion 3D has been tight as a drum since the day I got the plane. It has more hours on it then any of my planes.

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I've bought about a dozen CMP planes in the last 4 or 5 yrs and they are all fine. You have to understand that they are sport flying planes. These aren't TOC quality planes, and the price reflects that.

I've been through 3 of the little 40 size 3D Giles 202. Great plane for learning 3D. I just bought the blue 50 size Giles 202. It great too!! Awesome covering and a great design on the airframe.

I don't think Sig or Great Planes or Hanger 9 is any better. When your looking at these smaller models in the 40--60 size, the quality of the CMP is just as good as the major brands that are twice the price.

Hardware problems? When was the last time you bought a 40 size ARF that had decent hardware in it? I ALWAYS replace the hardware in these ARFs. Yes, even the Hanger 9 ARFs have junky hardware. Even the Seagull ARFs have junky hardware. And we're gonna pick on CMP because their hardware isn't top notch? :eek: For planes that only cost $100--$150, I think I can afford to spend an extra $20 on nice hardware.

I can't wait untill Nitroplanes or AK-Models gets that 50 size Yak 54 back in stock sometime in the next few months. I'm gonna snatch one of them up. And the 50 size Extra 330L that they just released--I'm gettin' one of them too. Man, this little 50 size Giles 202 that I just got--$119.95 shipped to my front door!! How in the heck can ya complain about THAT? And the Yak is $125+ shipping----who would complain about that?

I wouldn't buy a Great Planes ARF again if somebody gave me a free gift certificate. I'd sell the gift certificate for 50 cents on the dollar and go buy myself something nice. [X(] Did I say that out loud? [sm=lol.gif]

CMP is great stuff for sport flying.

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Besides what some over-opinionated and often inexperienced bags of wind might lead you to believe, the quality of the CMP products are more then fair for the price. Yes the instructions are a joke but after putting two or three arfs together you should catch the major drift of what it takes to put one together. Some of the more simple minded folks might need to be led step by step down the path of least resistance, but if you have succesfully put together two planes you should have no problem with the instructions. They fly great. If you want to talk about high quality then you need to talk about high-bucks as well.

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Hi Tom,

Can you tell where the CG is on the 120 Corsair? I have one that is half built and need some help as I have no instructions.

Thanks

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I just ordered the extra 330 50 from Nitroplanes.com. I havn't received it yet but if anyone has this plane please let me know how it flies.;)

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I just got the Quest ... its very nice for the price. Got no complains ... I had the Swallow too, did not fly or build it but the quality was very nice. CMP is ok for sure ...

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Hello,
I think CMP Models are like all other ARF's.
Some kits are good and some kits are bad, all of them are very low costs.
I have a 140er P51, which is good to built and flies very good.
Also a 120er Zero, which have a wrong C.G. from manual instruction.
A Macchi 200 Saetta ( airkill 90 ), I think she is also from CMP, with no given C.G. point.

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I have the 160 AT6 from CMP very nice plane flies very good looks are first rate instruction are an exploded view but all you really need. Retracts were a problem couldnt find anyone who made them so I modifyed the wing to except Robarts.Happy with the plane and price. Jet hobbies in Vancouver BC is a good place to buy from.

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Heavens! How did an 18 month old dead thread get opened up?

Peter,

I have followed your posts for a while. You initially seemed to like the CMPro products out of the box. You also said you were so frustrated at building it that you trashed it before it was finished. What I don't know is if you have actually flown a CMP product.

I purchased my first CMP Corsair a few months back after reading a bit about them, including the post where you said it was a good band for the buck. Some of the hardware is unacceptable, and some is OK. The directions are the worst part. It seems someone must have used a basic language translator . For Instance, "Use to the shortest best fit". Also, parts shown in the "directions" may or may not be what is in the kit, if they are there at all. The Tailwheel on the corsair is utterly rediculous. I had to engineer something on my own, and I am not sure yet whether it will work over time.

If your idea of instructions is an exploded view, then this is your kit. This is my fifth warbird. I am using techniches from a great planes corsair I built a few years back. I could tell immediately that the finish was delicate. I coated every surface with a flat clear coat which has made it very resilient on the workbench.

It is really one very nice looking bird. The paint and finish is top notch for a bird of this price. But it really should be considered a fiberglass kit since you must engineer so much to get it together. One very interesting problem was the retracts. I did finally get those working. I'll let you know how this one turns out.

The build is flimsier (is that a word?) than the World Models, but the look is very nice. (forgive the spelling, in a hurry!)

Bob

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I myself have built 14 different ARF's All needing something to satisfy me! Could they be built stock some yes / some no. My own experience with these models is as most. Think they are a great Bang for the $ Yes, they are some work, but my ZERO 120 I love! Great flying plane. I have not finished the P-40 yet, but after checking it out seems like it will be another winner. I've had just as much problems with my GREAT PLANES STUKA with paint coming off as my zero. There is good and bad in all... We just have to figure out how to make them as "WE" want to make it to our standards. If you need A+++ out the box buy that $700 arf. I spent $800 to get my Zero in the air, not bad for a 72" wing warbird gas powered.

All I can say is ask questions, sort it out and have fun...

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I would say without a doubt............ NO.
I see they let you back in RCU and allow you to post again LoofwaffleOberst. Proof positive RCU is an equal rights forum and can forgive just about anyone.
Out of the 295,000 members here, only one guy seems to rub me the wrong way.

Hint? The middle Brady Bunch boy.

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I built two, and both were the same in the Poor Quality factor and Yes, CMP looks good in the box. I won't fly a CMP... I'm afraid due to the poor quality that the plane will not fly well. It seems that CMP makes planes so they won't last long. The faster people crash them, the more money CMP makes off of you.




My Hanger 9 J-3 Cub, and my 40 Pulse... I both used the Stock Hardware. And it flies great, and the measurements were right on... right out of the box. Sure I had to do some reinforcing, but that was all... and that is normal for all ARF's that I'm aware of.

Peter Dowling aka Luftwaffe Oberst
AMA District II # 865404
Aero Modelers Club
Pulaski, NY

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What are the prices like between CMP and H9? I think we all complain too much. If its cheap then you can expect money to be saved on hardware. Heck, the Fliton Extra is not that cheap at all but they use lousy clevises. All planes have their own problems. I love H9 and GP stuff but its not cheap in Malaysia, CMP is cheaper. But to have to change a few items of hardware is not all that hard.

We are not talking about planes where you need to reinforce/modify to fit everything or where the covering comes off after 4 flights. If we want good stuff then we have to pay for it.

From what I have seen or heard the P47s (big and small) are nice, the C160 flies well, the big Zero is really nice, the new Lancair is really a stunning looking plane and is well manufactured and priced, my Quest did not need any mods other than to use normal hinges and to use better linkages/clevises (my own preferrence), the Swallow is well manufactured, Edge 540 flies well and is properly manufactured, Texan is really well manufactured, Giles flies very well with no build complains ... so is CMP really bad?

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Compared to what I've built in the past? The answer is yes.


Peter Dowling aka Luftwaffe Oberst
AMA District II # 865404
Aero Modelers Club
Pulaski, NY

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Well to each their own. I know many people who love VMARs ... You should see my Kyosho CAP, everything is coming off even before the engine has been fitted, the covering is total cr@p. Wing fits badly and that is a Kyosho. I saw the same problem wiht my pal's SU31, even his wing did not seat properly, he had to cut the notch and also the wing saddles.

CMP Quest 50 USD119.95 ... Fliton Extra 330 USD200.00 ... GP Super Sporster USD149.00 ... H9 Pulse XT 40 USD159.99

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To get back to the topic . I can say that my CMP Spitfire was my second warbird I ever owned. It has outlasted many others and took a lot more abuse than any of my lighter built planes. I will agree that when you spend the money on certain ARFs you get what you pay for and they go together better with less mods and added hardware. But if you like to create something that is personal and uses a wide range of power sources , then the CMPs are a low priced alternative to the fully monokoted , lightweight but expensive ARFs.
They are not for newbies and do not fly like a UCanDo. They fly more like the scale kits which tend to weigh more and look better.
If you buy one make sure it say's CMP or GSP somewhere on the box. A few rip offs are out there.

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I bought a 120 size P-47 and from what I've seen just by opening the box and checking everything looks good,very well packed.I will probably replace some of the hardware but for 198.00 I don't think you can beat it..............;)

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I got my extra 330L 50 size from nitroplanes.com. i have to tell you, that it is a very good looking airplane! I have not started the build yet. The first thing I notice was a .46 size engine would not be enough power to do 3D with this plane. As reported on all the other treads on CMP models, the instructions make no sense. But the quality of the plane is impressive. I haven't decided what engine to use. I was thinking OS 61 or The new Evolution .52. I will post a video of the plane as soon as I fly it![8D

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Peter,

I finished the corsair and have several test flights on it now. It actually flew very well. My Top Flight P-40 doesn't fly near as well as this. It is a very forgiving aircraft. I'll keep an eye on it and see how it holds up. Thus far, the only problem seems to be the aftermarket retracts which are giving me fits on landing. This seems to be due to the control rod flexing in the gull wing. It has to have a slight bend to make it through the wing, which creates weak points. On the long wing, I used nyrod thinking it would be the weak side. Nope! It is the side with the steel rod.

Bob

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I love CMP , ok first off try building a box of wood fiberglassing the fuse with panel lines for under $200 ...lol .
I have the hellcat , the 73" p40 and just received from Wifey/santa the spitfire . I am working on a willshobby Seafury as we speak , same concepts as CMP but less thought in the enginering . CMP seems to only get better , there latest release was the 73" p40 , look at the online comparison of the CMP P40 vs the basic skyshark P40 for $400-minimum very surprising to the reviewer and many on line is that there were differance but were they worth 2 to 3 hundred dollars(basic skyshark & upwards $400 on the delux skyshark kit ) ????

If you love to build but dont have time and you love to tweek and add details CMP is your plane !!!! They are coming out with a BF 109 in the spring , should be a winner .
I plan on getting the 75" corsair next its equiped with flaps and very nice detail .

As far as where you get CMP , the original store is in Pa(Giant Scale Planes ) , they had issues with major shipping charges , they lost interest in exclusive distribution(based on not being able to import volume as they once did ) and that is how ak and NitroRc /Raidentech/egrandbuy/Jaiderc got the rights to sell CMP .--Personally I would buy from Ak or Nitro ...ak is a great company with a long history of kits sales -most famous is the su27 super flanker , Nitrorc is cleaing up there act on RCU , they were the once famous Raidentch(and still use many of the names I have listed on ebay ) with one of the worse Ebay reps in the industry . Dont be fooled by the slight address change I have been to both , its the same company and Nitro cares about there rep on RCU unlike Raidentech .

I can tell you that CMP is in discussions with willshobby about all composite planes , first release will be sport then warbirds . Imigine all composite planes ...... perhaps someone will give the great quality and workmanship of the new KMPs planes a run on the budget side of the fence .
KMPS new plane are simply excellant I just wish the cost would come down :eek:

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After reading many posts (both good and bad) , I just purchased a CMP Zero 50 from AK. I know that some people think that the H9 are the best flying planes out there, but then again, maybe not. I'm looking forawrd to this plane and detailing it out. For the price, you really can't go wrong. I think that if you use common sense in researching the various threads, yuo can build a good flying plane. I'll hold my judgement for CMP until after I have finished my first flight.

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CMP, I've had two. First Extra 300 loved the plane until the fire wall came out. Second, Kat 50 the plane looked great in the box, it looked great on the runway. The plane never flew good. It was heavy-- flew like a rock. I will not buy CMP again. My last buy was SIG. Little more $$, a lot better quality. CMP makes a fair e-bay plane, just not for Me any more!