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the choice is yours and no one elses. if build or arf it is up to you. I have done both, ultra sports 1000 and also my baby boomerang jet is a arf. you will get some people like that , thats got nothing better to do but knock orther people for their choices stiff **** it is their bad luck if it takes them maybe two weeks or so to fly again because they don't like arf's I know what I'll like to do

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I don't doubt what you are saying one bit. This world is full of idiots with more pride than brains, just looking for chance to put somebody else down. Personally, I think most of them do it out of fear or insecurity. Fly what you want and have fun. Believe it or not, I've actually been questioned a couple times as to why I would bother building a kit. I had a guy tell me once I was wasting my time. The point is to do what YOU enjoy. Personally, I like to build stuff. That's just me and it's not limited to airplanes either. I have a couple ARF's too; I liked them so I bought them. We should all look at what others do. Maybe ask them about it now and then. We might learn something from them.

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i think i know how it works... those people who have spent all their time and effort building just to take to the air, feel like their effort has been wasted if you can just pick up an arf and glue the wings on etc .... i think that the proper way to see it instead, is that you no longer build to fly, but you build to gain respect of those who didnt build... since everybody can fly nowadays, but the builders are comparitively few and far between...

the same thing with modifying arf's , or any other model that doesnt need to be built, its about making a statement... like those people who rice out their cars with ridiculous body kits and decorations, but in this hobby the statement you make actually has a useful function beyond attracting attention... those people who build should let their builds talk for them, not them talking down those who didnt build...

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So the general consensus to it all is we're "darned if we do and darned if we don't?" [sm=cry_smile.gif]

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Occasionally, a little bit, but I don't give a crap.

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Heck, I ridicule myself for flying them!:)

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Frustrated Guru Syndrome. Some of the kit and scratch builders are mad that the newbies don't come to them for help with building and tips on how to make a better build. They feel put out to pasture.

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At least with an Arf , we can place blame. If you build your own, it's a direct reflection of your skills and knowledge. From some of the kits I have seen in the past, they look much better in the air than up close on the ground.

Ya know, the next time you see some ol fart stuff a kit. Go out their with him and look it over and say "oh thats how you cut this piece!":eek:

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Gents

I would suggest not even paying attention to this sort of beavior and responses from the peanut gallery. I see it this way...until one these gurus starts paying my mortgage and for my hobby I pay 0 attention to what they have to say unless I asked for an opinion or repsonse from them.

if it wasnt for ARF's I would not be in this hobby. :D

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You know, if I didn't have all these Arfs, I'd probably have one really nice plane!:D

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You guys should all line up in a circle, so you don't hurt your arms trying to pat yourself on the back for flying ARF's.

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I don't think anyone here is. What they are doing is discussing how they feel concerning ARFs and why they do or do not fly them, particularly as it relates to some jerkoff insulting them just because they didn't build it from a kit, plans or scratch.

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I'm an old phart. Old phart are a-holes. 99% of them anyway. So ignore them. Who cares? Do your own thing!

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think the whole point of the thread was brought home by HighPlains comment. Very typical response as indicated by some in the thread..again..let it be. The peanut gallery will always be just that!

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It's like this I fly what I want to fly, wether it be afs or kit built, I enjoy both. I don't have the time to spend months building when I could use that time tearing up the sky. If the critics want me to fly kit built then they can take their time and build me one, If not then have a big heaping cup of shut up.:D

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It would appear that some of you guys are carrying a serious chip on your shoulder. If you would stop and read what has been said by the builders here in this thread, you might find out that the more serious builders do not have a grudge against those who choose to fly ARF models. We have proven again and again that we are willing and ready to help with any issues that you might have (especially when you are starting out). Why not give us a try, and ignore the a**holes who give yo a hard time. We will occasionally give you a good natured jab, just as we do to each other within our own groups. It's a hobby for Pete's sake.

Bill, AMA 4720
WACO Brotherhood #1

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I'm finishing up a no-name arf presently. I got to redesign and build/rebuild this thing. The tail servo locations are in a place that will have the servos hit the wing when it is installed. The rudder is supposed to be pull-pull, no way. The wing will have a slight amount of anhedral instead of dihedral, don't know if that is normal but I doubt it. The aileron horn bolts have nothing other than thin sheet to grab onto. Really doubtful if the firewall would have stayed attached.
So I got the best of both with this one. Price of a kit- about $60.00 and the long build time of a kit. OK, that doesn't sound like I got any ARF advantage.
Anyhow, it is getting close to completion. I hope it flys well. I had to make a bunch of mods and want to get this in the air.
MikeB

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Precisely.

Let's not support the notion of "Us versus Them". I fly all kinds of models. ARFs, RTFs, Kits and my own designs. I do not worry about what other people think - why? - because many of them do not think.

One thing about human nature has always bugged me. It is the apparent need for some folks to always try to find some devisive line between people. If it isn't brunettes versus blondes, it is blue eyed folks versus brown eyed folks. What a load.

I try to find the things that we have in common, so that we can unite and be friends. I have little time for those working it from the opposite angle. No, I don't argue with them about their stance. They can think what they want. Their thoughts are inconsequential to me. I'm there to enjoy models and camaraderie - not politics and devisiveness.


Ed Cregger

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We live in a culture where most families are separated by miles of distance. Mom and Dad don't live with their adult children, therefore the latest generation of kids grow up not knowing anything about old age and what it does to people. People that were once very patient and kind, can become grumpy and irrascible as their arteries harden and their abilities decline. There was a time when children were taught to respect their elders and the kids knew why because they lived with them as they aged. Grandma and Grandpa could have grouchy moments (constipation/arthritis) and could have a bad mood now and then. If they were grumpy to the child that lived with them, the child knew that Gramps would be fine in a couple of hours, once things passed, so to speak. Today, kids have grown into adulthood and have not experienced watching their elders age and eventually pass on.

The guy at the flying field giving you a hard time misses the old days. He misses his friends, his family, his prowess at building and flying. Growing old can flat out suck at times. His comments are really directed at you. If you will pay attention, he is missing his youth and his previous abilities. He is missing a time when he fit in, as you do now.

Instead of taking him seriously, just acknowledge what he said and treat him as though the whole thing never happened when you see him next time. He will have forgotten too and he will appreciate your friendship, far more than you may ever realize. Those of us that survive will be in the same position as that grumpy old fart you see at the field one day. Wouldn't you want someone to overlook your idiosyncracies then?

On the other hand, some people grow up being wiseasses. Sometimes this does not disappear over time. Such people should be ignored. It robs them of their goal of agitating you. <G>


Ed Cregger

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Some of my club’s Dinosaurs dislike or distrust ARTFs.
Take no notice of them. Our hobby has changed forever and they can’t seem to accept that it is FLYING and not building that is the main interest for most. Most of the above reptilians spend so much time building and so little time flying they can barely control their models.

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Man Ed,
You really nailed it...

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I underlined one of your sentences. Thanks for brightening up my morning, Ed!

Dave Olson

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Yup, Ed, I liked your comments :) The way I have dealt with these characters in the past is I just give them a smile, fuel up my plane and go fly, while they still lean up against the bench that they put their plane together on an hour ago and still haven't fueled it up. Honestly, the more I get the comments, the more I think it's an age thing. I don't think some of the elders are very happy about the way the hobby has advanced, too much change for them, and the fact that people at younger ages are buying extremely well built planes that puts them in an advanced flying status rather quickly.

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Before a young person gets all smug and conceited over their "advanced flying abilities", they should understand that their advanced flying abilities only manifested themselves because of the opportunities that the old farts worked hard to provide.

I see lots of folks hovering models and strutting around proud as a peacock, yet the majority of them couldn't successfully trim an old timey trainer if they tried. Why? Because they have no experience in that area. This isn't simply a matter of the young'uns being smarter. Without a good credit card, most of the young'uns would still be on the other side of the fence staring at the old farts that made pieces of spruce, balsa and pine fly. I'm not saying that the old farts are better than the farts in training.

The truth of the matter is, we need each other. Neither group could probably keep a flying field without the other group's membership dues and support. Naturally, the older members are going to miss mentoring the young folks. That is how nature designed us to be. They feel cheated. They do not get the respect that they feel they deserve, by instinct.

It would be nice if all parties would back off the wise cracks and hostilities. To the outside world, we're just grown up idiots playing with expensive toys.


Ed Cregger

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hmm... its an age thing? is this something like Eustace from Courage The Cowardly Dog?

i think there might be a difference here... like, the 'young ones' who are blatantly ignorant of the old ways of building to fly and pissing off the majority of the 'old farts' , or just the one or two 'old farts' who percieve this to be the case and start attacking the 'young ones' ...