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Do you get ridiculed for not building?
At the last field I was flying from, it seemed more like a social call, then a flying field. Guys would bring out their planes, get all set up, then sit down and talk for hours. A lot of the guys there would ask me if I built my plane, knowing full well I didn't, and then grumble when I would say " nope, it's an arf". My first Midget Mustang crashed from a faulty switch, and I ended up almost needing to get a shovel to get my engine back, lol. One of the seasoned "fliers" was standing there looking at it all, and said if I had built it instead of buying chinese crap, it'd still be flying. He was serious. I had been flying there over 2 years at that point, but after I packed up my other plane that day and left, I have never been back. The new field is much bigger, but has alot fewer fliers, but I still get that seasoned flier every once in awhile that feels he just has to jab me because I have NO desire to build my own plane.
I was at a Big Bird fly in this last summer at a local club, and couldn't help but realize that out of the 59 airplanes, I counted 2 that were kits. This includes the four 40% demo planes. I think that speaks volumes for arf's. I am very proud that I own arf's, I enjoy them and i think they are getting better than what alot of people could build. My last 3 planes U Can Do 60, Seagull SuperStar and GP Cap 232 have all been built and required no more than 1 click of trim in any direction. That's pretty darn good. Just thought I'd throw this out there, Mike. |
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There are ignorant pompous asses everywhere. I just ignore them.
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ORIGINAL: mtwister One of the seasoned "fliers" was standing there looking at it all, and said if I had built it instead of buying chinese crap, it'd still be flying. He was serious. given the choice between a kit and an arf, most people would choose an arf, back before there were arf planes , everyone was forced to get kits what most people want is just a plane, not a flying piece of art... |
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Man after building quit a few planes im finding arf's are the way to go for most planes. I always bash them somehow though.
My field is about the same as your's. Lotsa visiting by some with little flying. There are a few however that fly allot. I have never seen or even know of any arf bashing going on. Our little group (maybe 20 people) is probably the best bunch you will find anyplace around here. I believe every one has built planes AND bought arf's. We don't care what you fly.We don't have a "club" either. No ama insurance needed. There are really two unspoken rules. No drinking if your flying and keep it safe or your going to hear about it from more then one guy!!. Anyway find a new field. There are better ones. Pat |
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Wow Twister
Dude you are so spot on it isn't even funny,,, you have the good,,, the bad,,,,, and the ugly. People have just gotten to busy to spend hours and years building planes,,, I have both. There is no greater pain than seeing 6 months of work hit the ground. But building is a true work of art and to some a real pleasure, when my daughter told me about what happens at dog shows and the way people act,,, I just looked at her an smiled. My friend Jim and I show up at 7am and when the rest of the crowd show up and start tunning there engines,,, we smile and say Howdy and go home. Dave |
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The last club I was a member of was not really that way as far as planes go but the type of flying you did.
The new club I belong to still has few of the older members that think anything that is an ARF should not be flown until one of them saw my Comp-Arf. He went completely ballistic when he looked inside and saw no stringers or longerons. He said it would never hold up. He did notknow I had already 30 flights on it Anyway, I flew it a few minutes later doing high speed high "G" tumbles, snaps, KE spins and all sorts of very stressful stuff but no down in your face 3D. When I landed he came up and apologized then said it still will not hold up very long. I tried to explain to him that there are C-Arf models out there with 1000's of flights on them and still trucking along and his apology did not mean much because he turned right around a berated the model anyway. Needless to say I was on his "list" from that point on and no matter what I do I am wrong. The latest is planes do not do 3D so I pointed him to videos on Kirby Chambliss wringing out his full scale Edge, Shawn Tucker abusing his bipe, etc... I just ignore him anymore...It's not worth it Point is no matter what you do, there will be someone that thinks it should not be done that way and nothing will ever change their mind |
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Exactly. That's the mentallity at most the clubs I frequent. At my club, it's funny, the guys will fly their 20 year old trainers so high that you can't hear the os 40 running at wot, and they're doing long lazy figure 8's. When I fire up, and start doing my 3D type flying (yes, past the runway) most of them pack up and leave, even if they've only been there a 1/2 hour. It's not like I fly when they do, I wait for them to land and start their 2 hour talks and criticizing my flying.
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I have built about 20 or so kits over the years and have a few more in boxes but they may never get built because of the ARFs that I fly now. There are always going to be a few that think their way is the only way but I just question them as to why they drive that ARF vehicle to the field. Don't they know about "kit cars"???
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Guy's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, when I start my turbine,,,,,,,,,,,, good Lord watch out
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why they drive that ARF vehicle to the field |
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I 2nd. that, and hope you don't mind If I borrow that :D
ORIGINAL: bubbagates why they drive that ARF vehicle to the field |
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if u set a person straight off the batt this stuff is then nipped in the butt right away....
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ORIGINAL: mtwister At the last field I was flying from, it seemed more like a social call, then a flying field. Guys would bring out their planes, get all set up, then sit down and talk for hours. A lot of the guys there would ask me if I built my plane, knowing full well I didn't, and then grumble when I would say " nope, it's an arf". My first Midget Mustang crashed from a faulty switch, and I ended up almost needing to get a shovel to get my engine back, lol. One of the seasoned "fliers" was standing there looking at it all, and said if I had built it instead of buying chinese crap, it'd still be flying. He was serious. I had been flying there over 2 years at that point, but after I packed up my other plane that day and left, I have never been back. The new field is much bigger, but has alot fewer fliers, but I still get that seasoned flier every once in awhile that feels he just has to jab me because I have NO desire to build my own plane. I was at a Big Bird fly in this last summer at a local club, and couldn't help but realize that out of the 59 airplanes, I counted 2 that were kits. This includes the four 40% demo planes. I think that speaks volumes for arf's. I am very proud that I own arf's, I enjoy them and i think they are getting better than what alot of people could build. My last 3 planes U Can Do 60, Seagull SuperStar and GP Cap 232 have all been built and required no more than 1 click of trim in any direction. That's pretty darn good. Just thought I'd throw this out there, Mike. My wife loves me very much (I think):eek: But at the same time, I can accidently bring her to tears out in public. Could be a restaurant, movies, mall whatever. We all run into people every day who criticize. They get away with it because the majority of people they say things too--don't give them the respones they deserve. We were in a grecery line one time and my wife is extremely passive and avoids any confrontations (except with me of course). So the line is moving slowly and her cart barely brush up against this lady in front of her. "Why don't you watch what your doing" she replied embarassing her and not expecting a response. I was turned the other way looking at a magazine but heard it and immediately replied, Just shut the ____up and get moving. Of course that comment had that lady, the cashier, a few others in earshot and my wife all looking at me like I started it! I'm approaching 'ol-fart status" myself. Critcs come in all ages. I probably wold have told that guy,"when you crash, it'll take you 6 months to build another one, I'll be back here next weekend." |
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Hummmmmm I guess our field is a little different hear in Atlanta.....we have a lot of retired Delta Airline pilots, and they are vary quick to point out they never built the 737 they flew!!!!! A WWII B25 Mitchell pilot at out field was ask why he no longer builds and he said at 89, are you crazy!!!!!you think I going to spend my last days in the basement building.....your out of your mind. I see his point..... everyone is at a different point in life and the jacka__es of the world need to get over it, or at lease take their medication. LOL
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Bwahahaha get in that basement and build you lazy sack of fertilizer!!!!!!! lol
ORIGINAL: Checklst A WWII B25 Mitchell pilot at out field was ask why he no longer builds and he said at 89, are you crazy!!!!!you think I going to spend my last days in the basement building.....your out of your mind. I love to build, but I'll be damned if that's all I do. I like them all. At this point, however, I think I'm either going to plan/scratch build my planes, or buy ARFs. As far as the composite ARFs are concerned, I don't believe any wooden plane will compare to the composites. That's not from firsthand experience, but if you think about it logically, there is no way you could come to any other conclusion. If some elitist jackass wants to insult you for flying an ARF, ignore them, then point out that many of the TOC level pilots are flying... you guessed it, ARFs! |
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this topic hits the nail on the head for me.
now as a serious Free Flighter for years, there is no way i could buy and fly a Free Flight in ARF form. precious time goes into those models. same is true when building RC, but for some reason i always felt nervous flying my hand built RC planes, mostly for fear of crashing. with ARF's, i buy 2 at a time, build one and feel a lot more relaxed knowing that i can always get another one in the air within days vs months. funny thing is, i can't build and hardware out a model of choice for the price of the ARF. the last field i flew at was a sad experience for me. a flyer was there with his Super Sportster, and i was there with mine. this bozo took an immediate jealousy trip towards me. was it my fault that he never used a sanding block on his model?...........when i flew my bird he started riding me to the point where i landed, packed up and never returned........... i'm currently talking to a few others in my area that have gathered to a secluded field, and it looks like it'll be a fun summer.........oh and these guys fly ARF's as well. |
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if u set a person straight off the batt this stuff is then nipped in the butt right away.... That say's it all guys . Then they will either loosen up and get to know and respect you or label you an a**+ole anyway which tells the other side of the story . Which is there are a lot of little retired boys in their 60's out there that don't want to share . Our field doesn't allow kits. They crash too often.:D |
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Anyone who ridicules you for flying an ARF needs to get a glass navel so they can see where they're going with their head up their a**. I'm a long time builder and still enjoy building even if it takes a year or two and I fly what I build, but I have a lot of friends at our field that are builders too and we all have gotten caught up in the ARF movement. At this moment I have about 6 ARF's and enjoy them all. I'm assembling the last one I had now and will be returning to building, but as said previously....if one dies an unfortunate death, I have another to fly while I make repairs. I do disagree with one statement though that ARF's are getting better than built kits........simply not true and never will be. They are adequately built and beautiful and fly very well, but IMNSHO ARF's will never be better than built models unless you just can't build. Just ignore the ignorance of individuals that cannot see that ARF's fill a very important niche in this hobby and enjoy your choices of airplanes. Chances are you will get to fly a lot bigger variety than kit builders just because of the time involved.
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ORIGINAL: Sturtz That say's it all guys . Then they will either loosen up and get to know and respect you or label you an a**+ole anyway which tells the other side of the story . Which is there are a lot of little retired boys in their 60's out there that don't want to share . Our field doesn't allow kits. They crash too often.:D Bill, AMA 4720 WACO Brotherhood #1 |
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Hi Bill: I do not think That anyone in there right mind would feel any other way,,, This has been discussed before and its all about the
open communication between folks, But take our field for instance,,, before this year there was so much control that people just left, Lets face it if you had a field that looked like this would'nt you feel Blessed and happy. |
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I think that sentence sums up alot of Americas problems today. What ever happened to respecting everyone until they lose that freedom?
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder Respect is something that is earned, not given freely. Bill, AMA 4720 WACO Brotherhood #1 |
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Mmmmm, nice field! I have family in Sacramento... if I move there or even visit I am definitely coming by your field!
ORIGINAL: WhoDaMan Hi Bill: I do not think That anyone in there right mind would feel any other way,,, This has been discussed before and its all about the open communication between folks, But take our field for instance,,, before this year there was so much control that people just left, Lets face it if you had a field that looked like this would'nt you feel Blessed and happy. |
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Then it will be a two fold visit :D,,,,, Just don't tell them the last part
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ORIGINAL: oldtyme Anyone who ridicules you for flying an ARF needs to get a glass navel so they can see where they're going with their head up their a**. Cheers, Andy :D |
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I'm surprised you can find a quorum of people that actually build. At my field you can't. Personally, I would ignore those people, they probably can't fly well, anyway.
My buddy who is 85 builds all day, every day, mostly scale, canards and weird, and I do the flying. I, and just about everybody else does ARFs. He will do a few ARFs for me if there are modifications, making one into a twin, for example. Right now he is doing 2 Sonic 25 ARFs into a twin like the twin Sky Raider (T-Raider) in the photo. |
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