Greetings. After being out of the hobby for about 15 years, I am looking for a good trainer to refresh my skills on, but something a bit more advanced than the standard flat-bottomed wing trainers. I originally learned on a Great Planes Trainer 40 and Trainer 60 which had symetrical airfoils, and offered excellent aerobatic training, especially when removing much of the dihedral. Anything similar out there? I just built a Super Sportster 60, but would like to refresh my skills and confidence on more of a trainer. <input type="hidden" id="gwProxy"><!Session data></input><input type="hidden" id="jsProxy" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();} else{setTimeout('jsCall()',500);}" /><div id="refHTML"></div>

May be you should go for a Carl Goldberg Tiger 2.

The World Models Skyraider Mach-1 is a high wing trainer-type airplane but it has lower dihedral than most others and a semi-symentrical airfoil. It is capable of a variety of sport-type aerobatics. Best part is that it's fairly inexpensive. You may also want to consider a Stik.

Carl Goldberg Falcon 56

Semi-symmetrical wing
Ailerons
Trike gear
0.40~0.46 engine

http://www.carlgoldbergproducts.com/.../gpma1950.html

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXYXG3&P=RF

Review with videos here:

http://masportaviator.com/2007/12/01...erg-falcon-56/

Try a Goldberg Tiger 60.

It flies about like a trainer but a lot smoother and better.

And also, it won't tip stall on you plus you can land it on a dime!

big dan

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But I must say that FLYING the Tiger is a pleasure to behold! This airplane has NO bad habits. That is one of the reasons I like to train people with it. It doesn't fight you. When you want to turn, you bank the wings and they stay banked until you return them to neutral. The long tail moments make it a very docile trainer, and yet, pour on the coals, and this baby will do every trick in the book!

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=HAN4425

Not exactly what you're wanting, but might be something that would interest you.

Sounds like you just need to get in the air. Buy a used "anything" off craigslist and put a few tanks through it in the air. Then fire up the super sportster.

Thanks everyone! Very much appreciate the quick response. I do like the look (and price) of the Sky Raider Mach I that ChuckW recommended. Looks like a great price for a good quality ARF. I have a Rossi .40 that I have had for a long time (but is new in the box) that I would like to utilize. Using this, I don't have to swap out my OS .61 SF abc engine from my Super Sportser. Looking for a reason to use the Rossi. I'm thinking it should pull the Sky Raider just fine (I am in Denver at 6000' altitude). These 2 engines of mine are old, but new in the box that have never been used. I know the Rossi is a screamer and have the newer and modified muffler. The OS .61 SF abc at the time I purchased was what seemed to be a very good engine as well. It is in my Super Sportster 60.

Sweet covering job. The design really compliments the lines of your plane. Should be easy to see in the air too.

On the subject of "advanced aircraft", anyone who can fly precise aerobatics with a tired old trainer has my respect.

There's a real challenge.

Avistars fly real nice and can do alot of aerobatics.Thewing is held on with rubbr bands, in case you touch a wing tip. Slows down nice; forlandings and the price won't break the bank.

All previous suggestions are good, but if you want to use that Rossi .40 how about a 40 size Goldberg Tiger.

G'day

I have a Skyraider Mach 1 and I had one years ago. They are very good planes to fly. My current one has a Saito 62 which suits it perfectly. My original one had an OS LA 46 and that was a good match too.

They are surprisingly good at doing rolls and other simple aerobatics (I am not up to the really complicated stuff) and they are also quite stable if you need them to be. Windy weather manners are good too and the price is right.

And now the down side. They are "One Crash Planes". They are very light and do not tolerate crashing and sadly, I believe they have been superseded but I don't know what with. The Mach 2 low wing version (which is quite a bit smaller) is very popular at my club but I don't really like them as they are just a bit too small for me. They too have been superseded.

So good luck finding one but you will be glad if you do.

Goldberg Tiger and Sig Four Star are very similar in flight envelope. Decent aerobatics yet slow down for landings like a trainer. Both have a 40 and 60 size.


If you fo for a kit, either is an easy build.

Tom

The Avistar or the Mach I will do all you want. I saw a fellow reallly wring out an Avistar once. Don't know how the wing stayed on. You could also make a straighter wing joiner for the Mach I and do even more with it.

You can't beat an ugly Stick or whatever the numerous replicas are now called. Not only will it be fun to fly and relearn on, but you can use if for fun-flys and other fun events forever.

You're probably an old builder so make a square fuselage, I have used cardboard and foam board, make a few ribs all same size, and come up with a box airplane. Very easy to do. make the tail moment 3 times the nose moment and you have a replica of "Das Ugly Stick". Place the wing on top or bottom as you please.
When I lived up "Nawth" each winter we made a bunch for summer combat and fun-flys. Made square fuses from mostly cardboard, Foam wings we cut, glued on some poster board covering, sprayed a couple coats of Min-Wax, or mostly just covered with shelf paper, and we "flewed" 'em.

Young folks today have no conception of how easy and cheap and the fun that can be had with such models.

Thanks for the "reminders" of yester-year! I hate to admit, but I guess I am older. As a kid in the early 70's, we spent our time with control line combat. Must of been at least a dozen of us. Always copying and building the Voodoo combat model by Carl Goldberg. I think between us we only bought a couple of kits, and just kept cutting parts. I could build one in a day and be flying. We always built planes from scratch, experimenting with different wing loads, shapes, etc. Kids just don't do that anymore. What a shame.

I was looking at the Ugly Stiks as well as I know those fly great. Looking to get something without a lot of work as I am just starting a Balsa USA1/4 scale Sopwith Pup. Want to put my effort into that. Thanks!!!

Avistars do fly awesome for a high wing but they aare not immune to dumb thumbs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQe4q...eature=related

Was that you? Man, I've been there a few times. That sucks! Happens so quick. I feel the pain.

No, that wasn,t mine . The one I had kind of got smeared doing a nigh speedinverted low pass.