Aren't you guys sick of these popping up every day?

I'm flying a hobbyzone super cub right now and loving it.I have much learning to do still, but I'm starting to plan for the summer months. In May or June, once I'm more comfortable on the supercub, I'll be looking to upgrade and get a second park flyer. I really like the parkzone line ups andI like the durable and easy to repair.
To cut to the chase, I REALLY love the parkzone P47D Thunderbolt. I love the fact that I can get the electric retracts for it (added realism) and love the look of it. However, I've gotten mixed reviews from people online. Some say it's a fine second plane that you can progress to from a super cub. Others say no way! Start with something easier and make the P47D my third plane.
The other one I'm looking at is the parkzone P51D Mustang. While I like the looks of both,I really am not to keen on hand launching and belly landing.. I know that's my biggest hold back with the P51D.

So those of you who own or have flown both, what're your thoughts? I'm putting in lots of time on the simulator andI'm a very slow, patient flyer. I was thinking if I went for the P47D and installed flaps on it soI can fly slower, it'll be easier to control and might be okay as a second plane?

Or should Ijust not risk it and move up to a P51D first, then later to the P47?

Thanks again, guys (and gals)!

A very big problem with this question is no one here knows or has seen any of the question askers fly. Second plane for one person may be a hand full for another. After the trainer, a Sr. Telemaster as a trainer my second plane was the Up-Roar 40. I had some problems but I learned a lot from it so my third plane was another Roar. I had that plane for a lot of years. It did have several repairs but it flew better and better as time went on.
No one knows what you can or can't handle. One of my young students went from trainer to the 4*60, that lasted two weeks, he insisted on flying it too close and it got behind him and the sun in the eyes got him. Then he just had to have an Extra. By this time I let him do as he liked without any input. He was able to handle it for quite a while.
It's your money and choice. Give the 47 a try, if it's too much then put it away until your ready. If this was a big Gold edition kit that was going to cost time and money I would say forget it for a while but if you hammer it you haven't lost a big pile of time or money.
An Up-Roar back in my early days was a $40.00 kit and takes a few days to build. When I lost the first one I didn't feel all that bad. I had a new one the next week.

I'm not sure adding flaps makes it easier to fly.At some point flaps goes from extra lift to extra drag. Depending on the % you have dialed in. I would say forgo the flaps for now.

Both of the warbirds you have picked (the 47 and the 51) are very fast, agile, and will have no similar traits to the Supercub. As such, I would reccomend a low wing sport plane first, something with plenty of wing area, but still more powerful. As this would be your first aileron plane, you stand a much better chance of keeping it in one piece and having much more fun than going immediately to the warbird. A sport plane will be able to fly much slower when landing, and you won't have to worry as much about tip stalling. Look towards something similar to the Sig Fourstar 20 EP in regards to weight, wing area, and general configuration - You won't regret it!

Happy flying!

For what it is worth, with full size planes the military always went from primary trainer to intermediate before going to a plane with retracts, flaps and sell that stuff to keep track of. IN WWII you went from the Stearman to the BT to the full press AT6.

You might pull it off but not sure a war bird is a good second step.

Tom

I have the Parkzone P-47 and I would not recomend it for a 2nd plane coming from the Super Cub LP. Get the PZ T-28 and master that first. After you master the T-28, you can upgrade the motor and have a all new plane. Make the P-47 with retracts and taildrager your 3rd plane. I have tried a lot of props on the P-47 and like the APC 12X6-E the best. The stock set-up handles the load just fine (33 amps w/ fresh battery) and it climbs out straight up.

If you do get a T-28, once mastered, upgrade to a Scorpion 30-20-1100 motor w/ a APC 11X7-E and you will have a bottle rocket with wings! Lots of fun.

Good luck. Scoot

I agree. While a P-47 is generally one of less demanding warbirds to fly, you haven't even flown a 4-channel plane with ailerons yet. The T-28 is an excellent airplane that will allow you to learn a lot and you'll likely still enjoy flying it once you advance.
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Matt respectfully your logic was sort of doing OK untill you got to this line. Do this and you will have just sentenced your purty new warbird to an early death.

Flaps when used a learning crutch will in virtually every case be a complete disaster period.

True while flaps may allow an airplane to use an approach speed slightly ( no more than perhaps two miles per hour) slower BUT and this is a really big but! They will also increase the pilot workload ten times to be able to use that slightly slower speed and therefore will certainly cause crashes.

This does not even begin to explain the even more skills that will be required if you 'heaven forbid' should need to make an emergency go around while mucking around at the two miles per hours slower approach speed.

Flaps as a learning crutch are an extremely poor idea. Do yourself a favor accellerate your climb up that skills ladder and shorten your total time to acheve whatever your skills goal are by using appropriate aircraft for each succeeding rung up that ladder. Oh and save a lot of money along the way.

Get an appropriate next airplane and there is no need to explain what that is because its obvious you already know what is or you would not have posted this question in hopes of finding someone, anyone who would agree to the jump to your warbirds. Trouble is those folks are never around when at best you are gluing stuff back together or worst vacuming up all the styro beads.

This is not intended to sound harsh but it is in the hopes you will do it appropriately and succeed as thats what any of us want to see, your success as you keep coming back after each rung up that ladder

All very informative responses, thanks everyone. This was the kind of information I was looking for. I've never known either of the warbirds I've mentioned and didn't kno how they handled.

So is the t-28 a doscile low wing plane? Or is there another high wing electric parkflyer that can be recommended? This will be my first four channel plane, soI don't mind moving slow at all and getting another high wing plane. (like maybe the reliant BNF?)

My only criteria is bind and fly dsm2 compatible. I have a dx5e andI'd like to really get as much use out of it as possible before upgrading to a dx6i or dx7. I'd rather not have to buy a new transmitter for my second plane (that's the main reason why I'm looking at the parkzone or hobbyzone planes). I also really like the z-foam in terms of it's durability while I'm learning.

If the aprentive 15e came in a BNF, that'd be what I'd get for sure...

*edit* and thank you everyone for clearing up my misconception on flaps.. What would I do without this forum.

Excellent Matt now you are talking. The T-28 is a viable second airplane and has been used by many here when they are working with a mentor/instructor but the 51, F4U and the P-47 are not viable second airplanes in my opinion. Especially if it is the first full house airplane. I suppose the term full house is antiquated but applicable as it indicates an airplane with controls on all three axis'

I do not own any of them but have flown all of the above especially the popular T-28 in helping the fellows.

If you are flying without a mentor/instructor then I would defer from the T-28 and rather see you get a more conventional full house trainer type. I will defer to others for the type as I fly primarily glow.

John

Thank you for your input, John.
Can you clarify what you mean by "more conventional full house trainer"?
I'm going to be spending a few more months learning on the super cub, and more time on the simulator, but everyone was right. The t-28 is definitely a better second plane than the p51 or p47.

It really is too bad the apprentice 15e doesn't come as a bind a fly. It's a 4-channel, high wing plane that (from what I've read) handles VERY well at slow speeds. I really don't want to get into buying receivers and other electronic stuff seperately quite yet...

Sure, What I mean is most anything that is not a heavy wing loading and has tricyle gear It does not have to neccessarily have a high wing.

Agine I can,t help with what is out there for DSM2, I don,t use it.

You mentioned one that I have not flown and called it a Reliant. If that is an airplane about the size of the T-28 and it is a Stinson Reliant then I think I would avoid that. Its likely a handfull with the landings, simply because of the high deck angle and main gear well forward. Lots of folks don't realize this but aircraft with conventional gear that is excessively forward to prevent noseovers, then the landing will be boingers boing, boing, boing unless touchdown is perfect everytime. This is not a good setup for newer folks. Actually a main gear position further aft and closer but still in front of the CG is preferable and makes those perfect kiss the tarmac kind of landings possible however the tradeoff is ya gotta learn to hold that elevator full up taxing and during intial take off, hmm agine problamatical in a trainer type airplane.

John

I am new at the hobby too. I am learning with an Avistar
But I already have 2 second planes: the Big Stick and an Escapade. I have not flown them yet.
Do you have a sim?
I think it is the best way to try planes. They may not fly exactly the same, but you have an idea.
You will know how fast they roll, how responsive, how slow they land etc...
After so much time on the sim, now I know the Big Stick will be my second. I will wait for the Escapade.
Your choice will be easier like this.

Matt you could buy a tail dragger and put a fourstroke with a big prop in it.Fly it for a while and then you can buy anything you like to fly mate

John: Sorry,I should have been more specific,I was refering to the Stinson Reliant model by parkzone. However, after reading more reviews last night and this morning, you're definitely right about it having tricky landings. Not a good plane for a beginner.
The more I look at the eflite apprentice 15e, the more I like it.I've read some great reviews about it. The local hobby shop I go to is a very nice guy who does some deals that the larger hobby shops wont. (for example,I wanted to buy my HZ super cub as a bind and fly.he had none left, only the RTF, so he took the transmitter out of a RTF and sold it to me as a BNF. Sold the transmitter to someone else who broke one a few weeks later). I'm hoping, knowing him the way I do, that he'll sell me a ready to fly versionwith the DX5e(which I already own) and swap out the transmitter for a spare battery. The DX5e sells new for $59.99 here, and the spare batteries for the apprentice are between $50-55 so hopefully he'll do it for me.. Other wise I'll have to buy the plug and play, buy two or three batteries, a charger and a spektrum ar6000 receiver seperately (definitely the more exensive route..)

http://www.hobbyzone.com/rc-planes-e...ce-15e-rtf.htm

Thanks everyone for your responses and help, again. For those who didn't catch it in my previous posts, I'm looking for an electric, park flyer. Preferably z-foam material and I do have a simulator.. So nitro, gas, wood, anything else is not really being considered by me(but thank you for your input).