i'm looking for electric

Even for an electric you'll have a hard time finding something for les than $80. There are some smaller park flyers that would be good as a starter plane, but they aren't going to do anything to get you ready to fly an EDF later.

Ken

then what is my cheapest option for this?

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Hi kaianuanu,

You might want to start with something like the Parkzone Slo-V:

http://www.parkzone.com/Products/Def...ProdID=PKZ1300

My local Hobbytown stocks these for $94.99. The Slo-V has an almost four-foot wingspan and can fly outside in a breeze, but slows down well enough to fly indoors within the confines of a basketball court. They're durable, and they're easy to repair.

Once you get the basics of flight sorted out, and trust us all when we tell you it's harder than it looks, you can move up to something faster and more aerobatic. There are actually a couple of EDFs on the market that might be good second planes for you, but both are ARFs that will require some assembly:

Great Planes Electrifly Synchro:

http://www.electrifly.com/ductedfans/gpma1581.html

World Models Tame Cat EDF Trainer:

http://ecsvr.com/abm/shopexd.asp?id=3027

It's no accident that the Hobbico Diablo RTF "trainer" package was pulled from the market very quickly. Folks bought them expecting to be able to fly them easily, only to be very disappointed.

If you have to jump to an EDF plane right away, your best chance will be with the Synchro. Flying it with the glider wing on should be possible so long as you can have an experienced electric pilot help you build it, balance it, test fly it, and trim it before you try to fly it yourself.

Good luck and good shopping!

if you want some thing cheap get a parkzone piper cub they are dead easy to fly and about $95 dollars rtf they wont teach you as much as a .40 sized trainer but its much cheaper and can be flown outdoors in a light breeze. The erc micro stik is great fun and even cheaper and these are capable of the very basic aerobatics like loops. if you want more info just PM me.<div>
</div><div>just my two cents.</div>

But if i were you i would go 1/2a glow powered [nitro] check out cox international.<div>here are links to almost all you need for a good 1/2a trainer.</div><div>engine</div><div>http://coxengines.ca/product.php?productid=323&amp;cat=39&amp;page=1</div><div>ful tank</div><div>http://coxengines.ca/product.php?productid=300&amp;cat=15&amp;page=3</div><div>fuel line</div><div>http://coxengines.ca/product.php?productid=77&amp;cat=15&amp;page=3</div><div>reciever battery</div><div>http://coxengines.ca/product.php?productid=369&amp;cat=11&amp;page=1</div><div>servo [order 3]</div><div>http://coxengines.ca/product.php?productid=201</div><div>radio set or get another if you need quick shipping</div><div>http://cgi.ebay.com/2-4G-6CH-Radio-Model-RC-Transmitter-Receiver-Plane-Glid-/300532255962?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Radio_Controlled_V ehicles&amp;hash=item45f91e4cda#ht_2943wt_1141</div><div>plane kit[i recomend the "little esquire]</div><div>http://www.earlyrcmodels.com/id15.html</div><div>and last but not least a wing material</div><div>http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Top-Flite-MonoKote-/120673656080?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&am p;hash=item1c18b5dd10#ht_1232wt_1130</div><div>you obviously need a nitro starter kit but you can get them cheap for you local hobby shop</div>

Its not that i want an edf, Its that i want a semi-realistic fighter jet, I've been looking into foamie plans like this one:


[link=http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=782213]Micro F-22[/link]


How much do you think cheaper electronics something this would cost?

You were given sound advice early on in this thread. Most of those guys have more time in the latrine than you have on this planet. Listen to them and stop fretting about fighter jets. ******** is hard on folks with no patience. A failure to exercise common sense always leads to headaches and more expense so your logic about buying cheap holds no water. You'll crash the cheap plane and then beg your parents to buy another. Then your double in the hole.Trainer planes are available on the market for a reason... They're necessary or else everyonewould skip them and go right forJets, 3D,and warbirds. Electric or glow, they fly the sameand theinexperienced pilot will crash just the same. Heck, even reallyexperienced folks crash.The trick is not to crashbecause you've skipped three levels of experienced and went rightfor the hardest thingtofly because it looks cool. You maydislike what I've written or how I've written it but I don't care. You've been given very sound advice and then ignored everything said without even a thank you. RCKendidn't have to help youout, none of them did but they did because they want to see beginners succeed. At the veryleast appreciate when someone gives you advice and acknowledge it. Good Luck.

<div>     I have a twin EDF Su-27 that came RTF, similar to what you are looking for. When I first flew it, I nearly crashed, and I have been flying larger aerobatic glow models for years.  They are a completely different animal. You have no "pull" when recovering from a stall, and you have to keep the speed up to stay in the air. </div><div>
</div>    What you could do is go buy an RTF jet off of Nitroplanes, then cannibalize it for parts. Put these in a trainer. You can pick up an electric trainer, minus electronics, for next to nothing. You will need to purchase an ESC and motor-prop combo, though. Servos, receiver, and transmitter can be used from the EDF. <div>
</div><div>    This way, you get your jet, learn to fly, and then can transfer the electronics back to the jet when you are ready. </div><div>
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Which of trainer kit or ARF do you recommend to go with this EDF:

[link=http://www.nitroplanes.com/93a15-f15-skycamo-rtf-24g.html]2.4G 4-CH AirField 64mm F15 Ducted Fan RC Jet RTF w/ Brushless Motor, LiPo RTF (Sky Camo)[/link]

Check out the Youtube video posted above first.

That was made some time ago for people who were in your shoes.


Don't give up on flying, you'll find it far more satisfying than cars, but you'll need to adjust your expectations.

Obviously, kaianuanu is not interested in either the opinions of the experienced folks in this forum or in the idea that he should learn to crawl before he tries to learn to walk. I am half tempted to simply lock this down based on the wasted time and effort by posters to offer suggestions to someone that is just plain not interested in them.

kaianuanu, listen. Just about everyone replying to you has made suggestions and offered help so that your RC flying experience will mount to something that is satisfying to you and that is the best path for you to get flying that jet you are so passionate about flying. We can all understand that desire and, believe me, we've all been there... and most of us, if not all of us, strive to move up to the next step. But, we all began by learning to fly and using the tools that were going to offer the best opporutnity toward succeeding with that goal.

If you have not yet figured it out yet, we are not going to waiver in our belief that you need to begin at the beginning and learn to fly with something that will give you the best chances of succeeding, and, believe me, that ain't going to be with a sexy jet. Read the posts from the beginning and see what everyone is trying to tell you. If you don't want our help, then I might suggest you go directly to the Jets forum and ask there.

CGr.

I was planning to to what GraemeEllis suggested and get a RTF jet and a trainer kit or ARF and use the jets electronics in that untill I feel ready to upgrade. It will still be a cool decoration in addition to getting a functioning trainer. But is this still a reckless plan? And believe me when I say I know flying is harder than it looks, it scares me to death!

If you do it right, scared is not what will happen. You will have anxiety, which is normal, and once the first flight is successful.. and, again, if you do it right, the first one WILL be successful, the feeling of elation will be well worth it.

Just listen to what folks here are trying to tell you. Put the EDF jet on the back burner until you are truely ready.. and go for it.

CGr.

Tell ya what, go to a good hobby shop that has a Demo flight sim set up and try your hand at a jet, or a trainer for that matter. Bet you don't last 10 seconds before you "crash". The best bet is to buy a sim and learn there. The RED button is much cheaper than the VISA button.

Tim

Please check out http://www.********.com/forum/showth...1-EasyBuild-V2 for some cheap foam plans.  I have built many of these jets out of 1/4" blue foam from Lowes.  The electronics can be purchased quite cheaply on FleaBay, or other sites.  Please PM me if you would like any suggestions. (This applies to anyone)

Good Luck!

get a trainer like everybody tells you. learn and then move up. your asttitude isnt going to work in the military either. i went against he tide when i learned to fly real aircraft. a 450 stearman,,but have a million learned in the durring ww-ll and i made it ,,,but this rc is another thing,,,im still learning after many houirs. and half a dozern fighters sit in ther shop,,,ready to fly butt im not ready to wreck them,,,hehe. the 1/4 busa cub is still teaching me after 3 rebuilds from "hard" landings. thats what you call a crash. rebuildable because of the slo speeds involved. i bet i would have been thru 12 "jets" by now. the next trainer is my sig j-3,,,

http://www.hobbypeople.net/index.php...port-2-4g.html

As others have said, there isn't an EDF plane suitable for a trainer. What you're asking to do is akin to a 15 year old kid with his permit trying to learn to drive on a F-1 car. Disaster waiting to happen. If you're serious about flying an EDF, then get a trainer. You could probably find a used one at a local swap meet or something like that. Once you can successfully fly an aileron equipped trainer, there are slower more tame EDF that you could handle.

Such as: http://www.hobby-lobby.com/f86_skyblazers_edf_jet.htm

On low rates this plane is flyable if you have aileron experience. But I guarantee you if you get any of those EDF you're looking at, you will crash them and will have just wasted a ton of money. Invest in a good radio, get a used trainer from here, RCG, local swap meet, CL, etc and learn to fly with an instructor and save yourself a lot of headache.

Here are some inexpensive "possible" trainers. Get with a local club and they can teach you to fly it. All electric. The floater Jet could start you on your path.

[link]http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?idCategory=433&cu rPage=1&sortlist=&LiPoConfig=&qty=30[/link]

Small airplanes are harder to fly. So without help success can be VERY expensive.

I still go back to my original suggestion getting a 40 size trainer. Contact a local club, most hobby shops will know about local clubs. Look in Craigs list you can get trainer setups very inexpensively. Learn on that THEN switch to smaller planes.

Many people have trainer frames laying around. You can buy one of them and then set it up electric. It is very possible to set up a plane for the money you want. You have to be smart, do your homework, shop around and pay attention to advice given to you. You will then be successful at this hobby. Most people that try alone never make it. They get frustrated and quit. I had an instructor 23 years ago. I listened and learned. I soloed in a week. flying a few hours a day after work in the evenings. I still pull on his knowledge once in awhile. He pulls on mine because I have done some different things too. We still fly together to this day.

Good luck

You want to fly jets, and join the Airforce. There is an Air National Guard base north of you in Jacksonville that fly's F-15's. Join the Guard and go in as a crew chief or avionics tech, work hard, make a name for yourself, learn to fly using the G.I. bill, and as soon as a pilot slot opens up (usually one a year) apply for it. They try to fill those slots from within. To prepare you for all that work and patience, do what everyone here is telling you and work your way up to an EDF jet the logical way.

in my experience, dont go nitro. im new to the air, but have a nitro car and an electric car, have 2 electric planes, and love them. my neighbor has an electric heli and a nitro heli, and the nitro is not the way to go to get started. i could be wrong, but i would imagine that a nitro plane is similar. itll make you more nervous, and take longer to get in the air. viola!! http://www.hobbyzone.com/rc_planes_parkzone_slo-v.htm trust me when i say it is more worth it to get this ugly thing, learn it, fly it and then change to something better than to just go for badassery right off the start. i got an edge 540t as my first plane... it is in about 6 pieces right now. not a good idea 

Yes that is wrong.

There's a reason larger Nitro planes and Helis are still the primary training vehicle used by most club programs.

Their larger sizes tend to give more reaction time to the pilot, while presenting an easier to see frame, less buffetting by winds, ease of getting back in the air immediately, etc. etc. etc.

When people show up with electric trainers at our club sessions, we put them on Nitro planes until they have soloed, then help them through their first electric flights.

Not only do I do this, but I'd put an utter novice ( with a buddy box ) on my Big Stik .60 before I'd do the same with a small electric trainer, if I want them to learn proper techniques.

While larger electric trainers are starting to become a reality, the associated costs for a 40-60 sized setup and sufficiient packs for continuous flying, still makes nitro planes the instructor's choice.

Agree with Opjose<div>
</div><div>One of the BIGGEST MOST COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS is that a smaller plane is easier to fly. In literally every respect, except knowledge during setup, this is not the case. A 60-80 inch wingspan balsa and glow trainer is the best be for learning. Your chance of crashing one while be instructed with a buddy box is almost nil. </div><div>
</div><div>Maybe you could see if there is a local club nearby and you could try out flying a glow powered model? This type of aircraft is certainly more enjoyable and rewarding in the long run as you learn much more. An aircraft like this is not a toy, however, where you can crash and go buy a new one. It will last much longer and stay good looking for years. Foam ends up looking terrible after a single rough landing. Balsa and ply aircraft can also withstand accidents as well as or better than comparative foamies. I have cartwheeled large balsa aircraft at high speed, flipped on landing, plowed my sailplane into a tree downwind... They are really tough! Not to mention, a balsa model can be rebuilt better looking than when you started. Just strip the covering, sand, and re-cover. </div><div>
</div><div>Either way, Good luck, and enjoy the hobby!</div>