I have a chance to buy an original patty wagstaff 300s 1/4-25% with a moki 2.1 engine 2-stroke nitro for $700 all futaba servos no receiver built by a pro
never even started oiled every year. is this a deal or not a good idea this is the German engine .

worried mostly about the engine</p>

any advice would help. she looks beautiful.</p>

Gary I am not about to comment on what is a good deal in this economy where nothing is worth more than a fraction it was only just several years ago but I can comment on the Moki.

I operate a 1.8 on my 120 sized Wildstick and it is a fabulous engine that is very easy starting with gobs of power and excellent throttling. I use zero percent nitro or 10%, whatever is around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyvLW...feature=relmfu

John

I watched that video did you start that motor backwards? I just don't know if the motor is good sitting for 5-8 years never been started? or should I put the money into something new
$700 to me if the engine is easy to maintain and runs good seems like a good price i only have O.S. engines.

Thanks For any Input.

Yes Gary that is sometimes called bump or bounce starting where you bounce the engine backward (by using the spinner not the prop) aginst compression. It will bounce forward to start if you acheved sufficient prime manually.

That engine is one of the few that I can count on starting virtually every time when hand starting.

Whether or not its a good engine for you no one can say but you. Its old technologie in the sense that everyone these days wants small gassors. And it certainly is not economical in its fuel consumption by comparison.

It is a joy to operate and the gobs of low RPM torque is certainly fun. I love my single example and would love another perhaps the 2.1. But then agine I love flying my two little old diesels too! heck ya maybe one of the radial moki's.

Bottom line is whatever floats your boat and if its never been run I would not worry at all about it just sitting. Whether or not its a good deal no one can answer that but you.

John

If this is the Great Planes ARF they go $600 new.  The engine, if stored and installed properly is a good one.  So that leaves the servos.  You didnt mention model numbers, so we're talking somewhere between $100 and $1,000 worth of servos depending how the prior owner fitted her our.  Need more specifics.

If it is a first or second model - don't.

If this is your fourth model - go for it.

I guess what I'm asking is not about my ability to fly the plane its more like if you had 700 bucks in your pocket to put towards a plane would this one be worth the cash</p>

not sure what servos futaba x 6 here is a pic that's all I got right now</p>

here is a pic</p>

I'd need to know a lot more about it before the $700 came out of my pocket. The Extra 300 is a nice flying plane in that size model.

Kit? ARF? (It might well be the G.P. ARF - the turtledeck bulkhead has the same tri-legged reenforcement). Servo models? Linkages/connectors used?

Note that I have seen guys turn even nice ARFs into dogs by clobbering through the installations like apes. One image would not be enough for me. I have never bought used without being there in person. But that's just me.

Thank for the info don't know all the details of the guts the guy that put it together signed it says finished by and signed from what I was told is he is a professional builder that builds for a fee. I was thinking that there's no way I could buy the parts to build that plane for that money.

All the folks in China putting up ARFs are "professional builders that build for a fee" and usually for less than you can buy the parts. Give the builder a call and ask him for his thoughts.

If it's built the way you like with materials and components you're happy with - go for it. The only way to tell how a kit will fly is to fly it.

But it sure looks like a Great Planes ARF to me. Same wing access cut-outs and pattern in the internal frames. If so, it was built by someone in China.

http://manuals.hobbico.com/gpm/gpma1305-manual.pdf Check the parts view.


Not that there is anything wrong with a GP ARF - Ihave an Ultimate 1.20 Bipeand a Giant Super Sportster that are both dandy.

This type of pitch line to me is absolutely worthless and worse is sometimes used to cover things up.

As the fellows are trying to tell you its always about the components and exactly whats in it. If you don,t research that then trying to get reassuance here is a waste of your time. Do the research.

I suspect that its a reasonable buy perhaps a bit more than retail as a used item but you would not be stealing it.

Agine in this economic climate 'stuff' is generally worth only 50 cents on the dollar after you walk out the door regardless of how much work was done on it or by whom.

John

Sorry about that built buy a <u>local builder</u> from our air field he has over 60 planes in his collection. and its I believe it's an ARF.</p>

ill see what's in it before I buy my guess is its going to be all good stuff thanks for the input guys always appreciate the info and opinions.</p>

I think you're confusing "built" and "ARF".  You assemble an ARF.  You build from plans or a kit.

On the topic of value, it comes down to whether or not this is a plane you really want in your collection. At $700, it's not a "must buy" where it's so undervalued that you must snatch it up. But if this is a plane you've been wanting it's certainly a better buy than a new one, even if the servos turn out to be low end. If it were me, I'd pull the Moki out and flip it then install a Gasser to save some dough in flying cost.