Hello,everybody I have a difficult question for you all out there in rc land.If you heard of it is a AXN cloud floater a tame beginners plane,with out the mods that so many think is necessary.I'm not planning on putting fpv equipment on it,I just want a simple rtf or arf.Thanks

The Cloud Floater is one of many similar designs, pusher prop 3 channel planes with some basic self-righting characteristics. They are usually sold as "no experience necessary" beginner planes. The truth is they are very docile and slow, both in flying speed and in responsiveness. If you have a very large flying area and the self control to only fly on very calm days, you may do fine with it. There are better choices though for beginner planes. The best way is to work with an instructor who will teach you the basics of flying. That will let you choose a better flying plane that is more responsive and can power through more wind, giving you a lot more flying days per year.

The instructor around here is a ahole and charges you a arm and a leg.Besides you have to join his club to fly there for free.

An instructor who charges for his services? Does he, then, guarantee success?

Probably not!

It is very rare to find an instructor that chargess anything at all around here . We have always done it for the love of helping a newcommer into the hobby . It sounds like he wants to be a boss in charge of what everybody is doing . I would say to heck with that noise , You are done with the boss at quiting time . Find a different club if you can ..

i had this plane and was pretty disappointed with it. Low power, and not too responsive ailerons. If you want to do some work on it then it's not a bad deal. A better option I think is the Bixler. More plane for the money, much more versatile.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...50mm_PNF_.html

This is another option, similar to above. I've had 3 or 4 of these, and my club uses two as trainers (for free )

http://www.bananahobby.com/4-ch-blit...plane-rtf.html

The nice part is this package is RTF, you get a battery and transmitter as well. And it's $108.00 plus shipping.

Final option, a bit pricier, but I think the best "trainer" out there.

http://www.horizonhobby.com/EFL3180?...Fc5hfgodPi8JZQ

This one has the new "safe" technology, the first one I owned didn't but was still a *****cat to fly.

I actually paid someone to teach me to fly, but he was the owner of a RC shop and I didn't belong to a club at that time. After a few lessons he directed me to clubs in the area and once in one, was not charged. I thought it was fair to pay given it was his time and expertise being used. Most clubs have a training program in place.

Good luck, and welcome to the hobby.

I suppose there is nothing wrong with paying someone to teach you to fly. However, traditionally, your instructor was simply someone at the field who had the expertise to teach and a willingness to do so and often became a very good friend. He was usually someone whose personality complemented yours enough that the two of you could interact freely and with no issues. Introducing money into that equation would kind of put a damper on the friendship part, although it could be done I guess. It seems, though, that tradition is taking a back seat these days. Traditionally, presidential candidates did not engage in gross and personal attacks on another's family members, nor did they stoop to calling another candidate a liar or a cheat or ugly or fat. They had more class than that. So much for tradition, huh?

I found one who doesn't charge!

It's reasonable to ask you to join the club to be able to fly there. Flying sites cost money to acquire and operate, so if you use it you should pay for it.Usually training is really about gaining members in order to keep the club healthy. That's how the instructors at my club, which I've done before as well, think about it. There are a few people who have made a business out of teaching people to fly RC, but that's very rare. If the guy you are talking about has an education degree and is competitive at the national level in pattern or 3D flying, then I could see him charging you for his services. And that, of course, assumes that he works around your schedule and meets you for training sessions when you want for as long as you want. But if it's just a guy at the field who will help you when he's able to be there, the tradition is for that to be free.

It would help to know where you live.

You know getting on an international forum and throwing out something like the quote above and arbitrarily calling some individual an "ahole" tends to make folks shy away from helping you and does not bode well for your success no matter how free you think things should be or what you feel you are entitled to.

John

Oh well I suppose I am the next "ahole".

This hobby does attract people whose social skills are, shall we say, a bit lacking? The guy who trained me was as crotchety as the day was long. We flew when he got ready, often as much as 1/2 an hour after I got the plane ready. And he was a terrible teacher, didn't explain much and let me have minor crashes a couple of times when he could have saved it but just didn't really care. But he was available and I dealt with it, so now I'm a pretty good pilot and teach others when I can. But really, if you are looking for guys with great interpersonal skills this is not the best hobby for you.