4 years ago a kid in florida was killed playing marbles when his buddy's marble bounced and hit him on the temple.
No more marbles for me!!!!


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the point of my post was to explained the rareness of getting killed by RC planes and etc. I agree AMA should be a must .... its the only insurance out there thats I know of .....besides if some little punk crashes his plane into my car an smashes the window then I sure would be expecting him pay for it !

any body who havent read AMA's rules please take the to do so , it will save alot of trouble !

when some kid comes running up to me in the park while im flying I tell him to get back out of the way .

if an adult comes up to me while Im flying I tell him to stay behind me , this way the plane will me before him if this happens

good point Sketch but I felt metioning licenses and death was a little excessive .

I thought death would truly note the inherent possible danger of these things. Anytime you are around a piece of somewhat sharpened fiberglass spinning at upwards of 7,000 RPM you, and anybody immediately around you are in danger. Its an inherent risk you and those around you are normally willing to take to experience a little bit of fun, but things can and I guarantee they have happened that people don't expect. Nobody flies their plane with the intention of being unsafe or crashing it, after all you spent a lot of money to just smash it into the ground, but planes still crash. I'm not trying to imply that RC is a dangerous sport or anything, but people have been killed at golf tournaments.

YOU DONT EVEN OWN A PLANE ! SO HOW DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING :

lets be real SKetch , get your feet wet then your comments will be from experience not from what you feel ....go get your coach to teach you how to fly and Im prying he prepares for when wing folds up !or win your transmitter quits on you or when you fly in gusty winds and lose control or when .....must I go ..A teacher can only teach so much but these situaion will happen !

Ive heard about wings folding on planes for three years and didnt know what it meant .....well as of today I know what means ..twice this happened to me today....so how do I learn this form listening to some or just experiencing it ?

Ya, you have a good point. It is dangerous and should be respected. But liscense? That would be a pain in the butt. If you were going to the trouble to liscence, wouldn't you need liscense for each type of plane you fly? Who is going to issue the liscense? AMA probably and the cost for these liscense issuers will raise the cost of membership.

I think it would suck personally. It would probably defer a lot of people from even bothering. I think "liscense" puts a stigma on things. Makes it sound like a lot of trouble and people would probably be detered.

Just my opinion.


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also a license would include registrations and flying test . and inspections . so already we have just creat the DMV of RC ! =)

He don't own a plane?[]

You would think he had an entire fleet!

Wings,

LMAO !

DAYUM!!.....all this time we been talking to a "virtual" pilot?

thats a good one! [sm=lol.gif]

Notice again how I did not say that I owned or had ever flown a plane. Watching people flick start planes and reading stories of people getting hurt by props is enough to speak on their danger. Also the knowledge of a blade spinning at high speeds is enough to say that it is quite a dangerous thing to do, we don't playfully toss knives around in our kitchen because it would be a dangerous thing to do, the same as a spinning prop is dangerous.
I recall reading a story on these forums about a guy who started his plane then walked behind the flight line with his plane running, and the poster expressing concern that he doesn't like the idea of a spinning prop behind him in the hands of someone who obviously was running quite short of common sense that day. Whoever posted that was either an experienced flyer or somebody who happened to be standing up at the flight line for absolutely no reason while planes were being flown, and most likely he was there for a reason.

I need not experience these things myself to know of their existance, and again, I have never claimed to be a flyer, nor have ever said anything that would allude to the fact that I have done it.

I give up sketch ........Ill speak from my own experiences and tell you RC planes are as dangerous as you make them ..... just like guns , cars, knives, fist , rocks, matches , .....do you get my point and non of the later metioned requires a licences, except guns in some states, but they all can kill you !

Perhaps I was being somewhat drastic with the licensing idea, but that does not change the fact that they are dangerous, and in my mind need to be somewhat controlled, and I think that having insuracne is a great idea to save yourself possibly. You may never crash a plane in your life and spending money on AMA could have ended up being something you didn't need to do, but you may also crash a plane into the wrong place and end up with a nice lawsuit knocking at your door because your homeowners insurance refused to cover the damages. If you are always prepared for the worst then in the event that it happens you will be ready, and that is the way I like to view things.

now to get back to this amish thing.......Menonites...That's the term I was lookin for!!!!!hahahaha

oh, btw.....there have been 2 fatalities this year w/rc craft. 1heli and 1 trainer. I don't think licencing would have prevented either, although I do believe distance could have played a role in at least one.

There are inherent dangers in everything in life gentlemen. Following a few basic guidelines, using some common sense, and trying to learn from others mistakes will go a long way towards narrowing the risk factor for all involved. [8D]

Be safe and have fun!!

Bri

hehehehehe I guess the saying " learn from YOUR mistakes just flew out the window ....

Hmm, And all the young, future R/C pilots are trust fund babies, able to afford AMA, and to join a club full of grumpy seniors and know it alls. Not!!

AMA in my book is ok .......alot of people dont know A. you dont have to fly glow planes at a clubs site .... and B. all you have to do is get permission fron a land owner that has enough spaew for you to fly on and that is it !

I personally like to fly in shopping mall parking lots. There is nothing like buzzing a few heads while doing 80 mph or coming head on towards someone driving a new bwm or mercedez and pulling up at the last minute!
I get so excited I could taste it.

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well me ! I like traveling for an hour and a half to meet my instructor as he tells me to wait for the newbe with his instructor to finish flying and then I can get my only flight in for the day which will mainly be done by my teach , wow this is so much more fun than going to a park and getting in 8 successful flights in four hours , and wow [X(] I flew it myself DAD !

I will be paying for everything completely on my own, with money I have earned. If I didn't care for the magazine it would cost me $1 to get the AMA membership, which in all reality is not going to affect me at all after I spend $400 just getting an airworthy plane. You cannot use cost of AMA as an excuse to not have it, this is in no way a cheap hobby (if anyone knows how to make it cheaper I'm looking for suggestions...) to start with, so if you can afford it you shouldn't be fretting all too much over an AMA membership.

cappio: that was one of the funniest things i've read in awhile, sounds like great fun

RC-Fiend: some people don't live in an area with a lot of wide open land, or live in an area where all the farmers are old grumpy men that would never let you use their land to fly your newfangled planes. Another reason I have for joining a club (and therefore the AMA) is that I cannot afford to teach myself unless I can get it perfect the first time, which right now just given my sim experience I probably couldn't do, but even after I spend the whole winter building and flying the sim I'll get an instructor, and if the instructor tells me I'm all right to solo on the first flight then its all good, but if he doesn't tell me that then I'm going to be really glad that he was there to keep me from crashing

dude @ sketch....no one is telling you not to get an instructor ,,,we are all just giving oppinions about the post LOL , Im just fortunate not to have needed an instructor.......and BUDDY if you cant flyon a sim then my suggestion is dont even get the plane yet .....hopefully your instructor will tell you this ....
just like an experienced HELI flyer told my to get a sim learn to hover on sim and then I would be ready to fly a HELI. and with flying on a sim this also means landing where you need to land ...in the middle of a field some where ....pssssss Icant even do this on a sim yet .....but I can with my electric park flyer and thats no bull !

I can fly perfectly fine on a sim from take off to landing, but im using FMS, which notably does not provide wind conditions. I'm pretty sure on a perfectly calm day I could take off and land a plane completely on my own with maybe an instructor telling me where i should and should not fly in the field. I'm worried about learning how a plane will behave if it has wind with it, and learning how to control it from there, hopefully I'm borrowing another simulator over the winter though that allows me to set those conditions and learn how to fly with wind.

I can land on the runway for the most part, but FMS is harder because you can't look down and orient yourself with the ground, on the approach you have to bring it in real low where you think the runway might be and adjust the plane's position from there. In FMS it often takes me 2 or 3 tries to land the plane because I don't orient myself with the runway correctly and end up coming in for my approach at a wierd angle that would take too much risk to adjust for, so I just throttle back up and try to re-align myself. Thats one feature I've read about realflight G2 is that you can set your view to lock to the ground so you can always be able to see where you are in relation with the ground. I'd imagine when you are flying and coming in for your approach you look at the ground and know exactly where your plane is in relation to where you want it to land so you can make those adjustments before you slow the plane and drop altitude.

sketch , if you dont mind , how old are you ?

also those look down features and wind conditions are miniscule, the way I practice on the sims is to pick a spot and have the plane fly around as I try to keep an eye on it this is as close to real flying as you can get .....following the plane is fun but will never happen in real life , looking down at the ground is cute but is irrelevant in real flying. so I hope this helps you understand a little. [8D]

I wasn't talking about following the plane, I use the normal runway view, but once you get up to a certain elevation at a certain angle you can no longer see anything but the plane and the sky which makes it extremely hard to land because after 15 minutes of circling and doing loops and attempting rolls you can't tell exactly what way the runway faces, and since the camera freely rotates and you don't feel what way you are standing on the ground (because you aren't) you can't line yourself up with the runway unless you are low and close enough to see the runway, and then sometimes its too late to apply any turning you'd need to hit the runway. If I could stop the camera from rotating and make the field of view wider then this problem wouldn't exist because I'd always be standing facing the same way and would always know exactly where the runway is in front of me. Im not sure if you understand what I mean, but its not a chase view, its still on the ground but its like the camera is on a tripod on the ground with a mechanism to make the camera rotate wherever the plane goes, so its easy to lose orientation without being able to look at the ground at all, and all the fields I have in FMS the runway is right next to you so you can't see it until you are right up on it.

BTW: I'm 16, out of curiosity, why do you ask??

ummmm the run way is in front of you ....should I explain ?


and the question about your age was to get an idea of who I am talking to .....

Ahh, I really wasnt bashing, Thats my take on the whole thing these days. It is a real expensive hobby, and I think, If you can afford a model plane,helicopter, or even rockets, you should, at the very minimum, be an AMA member. Now, that being said, club membership is very expensive.
And for good reasons, like upkeep, land rental, Etc. I actually started flying Sailplanes at the local slopes. There were no glider clubs, and the slopes were open to anyone that wanted to fly their ship, and everyone is willing to help out one another.Radio safety was well in practice.Glider guys and gals, for some reason, seem to be more personable, than SOME of the people you find at clubs. From there, my first Powered flight was an accident. I was practicing taxiing with my first trainer, a PT-40, when I accidentally gave it too much gas, and lifted off. My glider experience gave me the tools required handle the situation, even though my knees wer shakin. In my opinion, a lot of non club accidents(sometimes at the club)are caused by lack of knowledge. Just because you have been flying youPT solo for 2 months, doesnt mean that your ready for a gold edition mustang(or a gold edition anything for that matter)
I`m not the worlds best RC pilot, But I do enjoy helping newbies as much as I possibly can. Not many people are willing to step up to the plate these days and show our next generation of ammeture aerodynamiststs the responsible way to persue the hobby.
This is what I do.
I have 3 students, ranging in age from 7 to 12, with whome I meet with for a few hours, every other weekend(weather permitting)And fly an all EPP B-52 that I scratchbuilt(cut) ,and an EPP electric tri pacer. It didnt cost me hardly anything to make these models, as I have collected a lot of the necessary equipment over the years, and had a lot of EPP lying around.
Just My $0.02,
Jim