Firebird outlaw
12-27-2004 | 10:23 PM
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RE: Firebird outlaw
I bought one and it flies very nice it is easy to control and for the money you can have some fun in your local park. For the money it is the best cheap flying plane. I think it would be great for a beginner just to get oriented.
12-27-2004 | 10:32 PM
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RE: Firebird outlaw
Well when you turn one way or another on the outlaw one propeller shuts off and the other goes full blast. You go left or right, just like you would with airlerons, so i dont see how it could teach you wrong. When you crash the outlaw it is a lot less expensive to fix than that $280 gas trainer. There is nothing wrong with the outlaw, 50 bucks is cheap to fly something!!
12-28-2004 | 12:12 AM
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RE: Firebird outlaw
One of our club members came into the club with the Firebird Outlaw, so I now
have a little time on one helping him learn to fly.
First, this is a really cute plane. However it is VERY light so that the
slightest breeze pushes it around.
While dif thrust works, I have to say that the motors are not really strong
enough to control the plane well in anything over about 3-4 MPH breeze. I am
sure someone will say they have flown in 10 MPH, but there just isn't enough
thrust.
Anyway, the guy was flying. He made an adjustment on the tail so that he got
some better climb and was really doing well. He got it up about 100 feet and
was having a ball when it just started to climb faster than he expected. The
plane had found a thermal.
He shut the motor off and was just floating along. He was loving it until he
realized he couldn't get the plane back down.
When I go the controls, the plane was up about 400 feet. I could not power out
of the thermal and was not able to induce a spiral dive since there is no tail
surface you can control, as there is on a Firebird, XL, Commander or
Fighterbird. We had contact from the transmitter because we could get the
plane to turn, but when it hit the edge of the thermal, it would be spun back
in. We could not break out of the funnel.
Despite our best efforts the thermal just sucked the plane into the sky.
For its intended purpose, a close in little fun plane, it is cute and serves
the purpose. However, be VERY careful with this plane if you get it above
tree level. It has so little power it can not fight against wind and can
easily be sucked up by a thermal.
It was an amazing sight. I never saw anything like this before.
have a little time on one helping him learn to fly.
First, this is a really cute plane. However it is VERY light so that the
slightest breeze pushes it around.
While dif thrust works, I have to say that the motors are not really strong
enough to control the plane well in anything over about 3-4 MPH breeze. I am
sure someone will say they have flown in 10 MPH, but there just isn't enough
thrust.
Anyway, the guy was flying. He made an adjustment on the tail so that he got
some better climb and was really doing well. He got it up about 100 feet and
was having a ball when it just started to climb faster than he expected. The
plane had found a thermal.
He shut the motor off and was just floating along. He was loving it until he
realized he couldn't get the plane back down.
When I go the controls, the plane was up about 400 feet. I could not power out
of the thermal and was not able to induce a spiral dive since there is no tail
surface you can control, as there is on a Firebird, XL, Commander or
Fighterbird. We had contact from the transmitter because we could get the
plane to turn, but when it hit the edge of the thermal, it would be spun back
in. We could not break out of the funnel.
Despite our best efforts the thermal just sucked the plane into the sky.
For its intended purpose, a close in little fun plane, it is cute and serves
the purpose. However, be VERY careful with this plane if you get it above
tree level. It has so little power it can not fight against wind and can
easily be sucked up by a thermal.
It was an amazing sight. I never saw anything like this before.
12-28-2004 | 04:53 AM
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RE: Firebird outlaw
ORIGINAL: aeajr
One of our club members came into the club with the Firebird Outlaw, so I now
have a little time on one helping him learn to fly.
First, this is a really cute plane. However it is VERY light so that the
slightest breeze pushes it around.
While dif thrust works, I have to say that the motors are not really strong
enough to control the plane well in anything over about 3-4 MPH breeze. I am
sure someone will say they have flown in 10 MPH, but there just isn't enough
thrust.
Anyway, the guy was flying. He made an adjustment on the tail so that he got
some better climb and was really doing well. He got it up about 100 feet and
was having a ball when it just started to climb faster than he expected. The
plane had found a thermal.
He shut the motor off and was just floating along. He was loving it until he
realized he couldn't get the plane back down.
When I go the controls, the plane was up about 400 feet. I could not power out
of the thermal and was not able to induce a spiral dive since there is no tail
surface you can control, as there is on a Firebird, XL, Commander or
Fighterbird. We had contact from the transmitter because we could get the
plane to turn, but when it hit the edge of the thermal, it would be spun back
in. We could not break out of the funnel.
Despite our best efforts the thermal just sucked the plane into the sky.
For its intended purpose, a close in little fun plane, it is cute and serves
the purpose. However, be VERY careful with this plane if you get it above
tree level. It has so little power it can not fight against wind and can
easily be sucked up by a thermal.
It was an amazing sight. I never saw anything like this before.
One of our club members came into the club with the Firebird Outlaw, so I now
have a little time on one helping him learn to fly.
First, this is a really cute plane. However it is VERY light so that the
slightest breeze pushes it around.
While dif thrust works, I have to say that the motors are not really strong
enough to control the plane well in anything over about 3-4 MPH breeze. I am
sure someone will say they have flown in 10 MPH, but there just isn't enough
thrust.
Anyway, the guy was flying. He made an adjustment on the tail so that he got
some better climb and was really doing well. He got it up about 100 feet and
was having a ball when it just started to climb faster than he expected. The
plane had found a thermal.
He shut the motor off and was just floating along. He was loving it until he
realized he couldn't get the plane back down.
When I go the controls, the plane was up about 400 feet. I could not power out
of the thermal and was not able to induce a spiral dive since there is no tail
surface you can control, as there is on a Firebird, XL, Commander or
Fighterbird. We had contact from the transmitter because we could get the
plane to turn, but when it hit the edge of the thermal, it would be spun back
in. We could not break out of the funnel.
Despite our best efforts the thermal just sucked the plane into the sky.
For its intended purpose, a close in little fun plane, it is cute and serves
the purpose. However, be VERY careful with this plane if you get it above
tree level. It has so little power it can not fight against wind and can
easily be sucked up by a thermal.
It was an amazing sight. I never saw anything like this before.
Did you get it back?
I can't believe you still had radio contact at 400 feet...
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12-28-2004 | 05:33 AM
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RE: Firebird outlaw
We had contact right up to the point where we lost sight of it. I believe the radio is good for 800 feet, maybe more.
Never got it back. That is the point of the post.
Don't thermal this plane.
Don't take it out in more than 5 mph wind and that is pushing it in my opinion.
Don't let it get down wind from you. (you should always keep the plane up-wind anyway)
You can have a lot of fun with it, but use it appropriately. You don't have a lot of power and you don't have a lot of control. Under calm conditions, in close, it will be a lot of fun.
The R/T Firebirds have more control because you can put them into a death spiral. We might have been able to get a Firebird out of this thermal by putting it into a spiral. There is now a firebird Scout at $59 I think.
The R/E/T Aerobirds have full control because you can put the nose down with the elevator to fight the wind or put the plane into a controlled dive.
Enjoy your plane!
Never got it back. That is the point of the post.
Don't thermal this plane.
Don't take it out in more than 5 mph wind and that is pushing it in my opinion.
Don't let it get down wind from you. (you should always keep the plane up-wind anyway)
You can have a lot of fun with it, but use it appropriately. You don't have a lot of power and you don't have a lot of control. Under calm conditions, in close, it will be a lot of fun.
The R/T Firebirds have more control because you can put them into a death spiral. We might have been able to get a Firebird out of this thermal by putting it into a spiral. There is now a firebird Scout at $59 I think.
The R/E/T Aerobirds have full control because you can put the nose down with the elevator to fight the wind or put the plane into a controlled dive.
Enjoy your plane!
12-28-2004 | 06:18 PM
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RE: Firebird outlaw
They are very easy to fly.
They will help with the left-right orientation thing a bit.
But they do fly differently than larger glow planes.
And the problems with not being able to turn or get down NOW Aeajr talks about are real issues.
The transmitter is not "standard" RC gear, you won't be able to pull the radio gear out and use it in another plane later on. This might or might not be an issue.
So, it's not a bad thing, but it's not quite the same thing.
The R/E/T planes are a lot more like the larger RC planes
Btw, R/E/T = Rudder, Elevator, Throttle. R/T is Rudder, Throttle controls
They will help with the left-right orientation thing a bit.
But they do fly differently than larger glow planes.
And the problems with not being able to turn or get down NOW Aeajr talks about are real issues.
The transmitter is not "standard" RC gear, you won't be able to pull the radio gear out and use it in another plane later on. This might or might not be an issue.
So, it's not a bad thing, but it's not quite the same thing.
The R/E/T planes are a lot more like the larger RC planes
Btw, R/E/T = Rudder, Elevator, Throttle. R/T is Rudder, Throttle controls
12-29-2004 | 07:26 PM
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RE: Firebird outlaw
Most definetly! Also, a GWS Slow-Stik is also a very well behaved trainer...that is if your getting into electric planes. If you feel you'd
like to try your hand out on building a kit, then the T-52 from JK Aerotech is for you. All foam and coroplast. Also has twice the durability than that of a slow stik or slo-v. Plus you'll learn how to do a little building in the process.
Dave...
like to try your hand out on building a kit, then the T-52 from JK Aerotech is for you. All foam and coroplast. Also has twice the durability than that of a slow stik or slo-v. Plus you'll learn how to do a little building in the process.
Dave...
12-29-2004 | 08:30 PM
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RE: Firebird outlaw
Got one for the kids one time,they would have had more fun with a paper airplane. any wind was was too much, simply would not go where you wanted it to.it will withstand alot of crashes,it has to because that is the way it landed every time. it is still in the top of a tree at my brothers house.
