Hi all, just getting started in RC Planes. After taking my fathers advice, I bought a Dynaflite Piece o Cake glider to "learn" on. It took me about a week and a half to complete the kit. We took it out the the field below my dads house to fly it, after about 20 minutes fighting with the engine (cox .049) it was ready. My dad threw it into the air and it flew nice and level, then he told me to start climbing, so not thinking, I just pulled the elevator stick all the way back, strait up into the air and onto its top on the ground. The crash didnt mess anything up, so we tried it again, this time with a little less elevator, but it did the same thing, starit up in the air... this time it broke the elevator and rudder off.
I have absolutely no knowledge of rc planes, so I decided to post here and see if anyone knew what the problem is.

Also, people have told me to throw the glider away and get a regular trainer, any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

being a very new beginner myself im going to give you the advice that was given to me by just about everyone here, find your local club, and seek an instructor, as for the glider VS trainer, id get a trainer.
good luck

any suggestion on what kind of trainer, .40 or .60?

The 60 size is a little more forgiving and easier to see. I recently tried a Sig 40 size Kadet which has a span close to most 60 size ARF kits to use as an intro plane after helping a new pilot with one at the field. This plane does come out a bit on the tail heavy side. Plan on using an Irvine 53 as it will also be used with floats.
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Powered gliders are harder to learn on. The .049's don't run
well, and won't give a steady supply of power. When their screamin', the glider will climb like mad....and are hard to keep level.
And your lucky to get a couple minutes of flight time in.

Keep playing with the glider, until you can get a real trainer.

I always recommend the .60 size, because they fly better than the .40's, and are easier to see in the air. Look for something
with a 65 inch or bigger wing.

Is your motor mounted in the nose, or on a pod ? The nose mount is better. I've never seen a pod mount that worked very well.

Good luck....Dave.

How far are you from Summersville, WV? That's where I fly and will be there this Saturday the 28th at about 10am until I can't stand it anymore. If you can get your glider repaired and want to bring it I'll be glad to help you out. If you can come, let me know and I'll give you directions to the field.

Hypter, you couldn't find a better fellow to help you than Joss Stick. See if you can get together with him.

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Joss Stick, Thank you, I just may take you up on that offer, I live way up north in morgantown. Its a good drive to Summersville, but I dont think I am doing anything else this weekend, but to be sure, ill let you know after I have a talk with the wife.

It is mounted on the nose.

Sounds Good! There are some friends coming from Pittsburgh to fly that day. You are only about 2 hours away.

We'll be heading through Morgantown about 8:00 - 8:30. Mike's a great guy and will give you tons of help. If you're a definate, I could possibly bring my Senior depending on the winds and the buddy box and Mike could take you up on that for a while if he doesn't mind. Let us know and I'll make room.

Hey Doug, He's coming so if you can stuff it in and have room for everything that will be great!

Consider it loaded. I'll find a way to make everything fit.

I want to thank both you guys, I will be there.

looking foward to it

Wes

Great! We're looking foreword to it!!!

Doug, we may have to strap Michael onto the top of the truck.........he he he.
Can't wait til Saturday guys!

Mike

Glowplug is the other buddy of mine that is comming Mike. See you guys on Saturday

WOW! There will be two Mikes and a Mike-ull at the field Saturday. Get Doug to tell you about Mike-ull. I gotta kid him about that some more on Saturday.

Hey guys, I took your advice and bought a Trainer. I ordered 2 of them today, one for me and the other for my wife. Tower Hobbies has a deal going on 2 for $98. they are .40 size kits, and I ordered all the accessories required to build 1 plane, wheel collars, covering, ca hinges etc. I need to get an engine and radio.. any suggestions?? It calls for a .40 - .46 2 stroke or a .52 4 stroke, is there any certain radio that I should get or just a cheap 4channel?

Not sure what kind of a budget you're on but. For a low cost basic engine I would recommend the Thunder Tiger GP42. They are about $50. If you plan on being ion the hobby for a while, it sounds like you are I would go with a TT PRO46. Quantum Models has them for $74.00. It is a great engine for the price and you can use it on your next plane when you are done with the trainer. We are using these on our planes and have had no problems. The Senior I am bringing down has a GP42 so you can see how it runs on Saturday as well as the PRO46's. The engines are very easy to tune and setup.

If you are planning on staying in the hobby for a while I would recommend a 6 channel radio setup. They will cost a little bit more than a 4 channel but they give you some additonal features such as dual rates that you can't get with a 4 channel. You won't really need all the features on a trainer but you will when you get your next plane. Once you figure out where you will be flying, I would suggest you see what is primarily being used there and go with the same brand only because it will be easier for someone else to help you if they are familiar with the radio you are using. My son and I both have Futaba 6xas since you can program up to 6 different planes on the same radio.

I'm sure Mike will chime in and give any other info I forgot. We can discuss indepth on Saturday.

See you then....

I see that the Futaba 6XAS is PCM but comes with a PPM receiver, would it be better off paying the extra money ($30) and getting the Futaba 6XAPS with the PCM receiver, also, what is the diffrence between FM and PCM, sorry for all the questions, but I dont know anyone that is into RC Planes.

Wes,

We just have the standard 6xas. I really couldn't tell you which is better FM or PCM. I know with the PCM you cna program a safe mode function into the radio so it will hold pre-determined settings for the control surfaces of the plane. There's alot of treads out here pertaining to the subject. Heres a link to one

http://www.rcuniverse.com/showthread...803&forumid=27]

Thanks doug, I think ill stick with the standard FM Radio.

Here are some pics of my glider that I will be bringing down saturday. Im not the best at covering, this was my first attempt at it, so its a real mess in some places.. well ok, all over the plane. Glad you cant really see the "professional" covering job in the pics, just have a webcam.

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• Both PCM and PPM are encoding methods running in the FM modulation mode. One is a bit more interference resistant than the other, but the standard PPM is the one 99% of us use for glow engines.
• If you DO use the PCM mode, you should make yourself aware of the advantages/risks of programing certain fail safe settings and in some cases not to use them at all (That's a whole different discussion that you don't want to start here...).
• If you choose a computer features radio the 6XA series is a very good one, but also consider that if you get a low end set like a Tower 6 channel with the standard servo airborne pack and later decide to upgrade, the only thing you make redundant is the TX. Comparing the cost of a new basic 4 or 6 channel system to an airborne pack such as you will buy for your second plane (oh yes, you will end up with many ships at a time ) the TX is a small price. Besides, you will want a second TX around sooner or later, so nothing will be wasted.
• I second the GP-.42 choice, it's a neat little engine to begin with. For my 2 cents worth, avoid the OS-LA.40 like the plague, but some like them... If you're in the higher $$ range, the Tower Hobbies .46 BBABC is a great performer for the price.

Still to come are the top end ships and all those pretty 4-strokers and gas engines... Are you sure you want your wife to know what it will all cost?

quint

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