i never asked you to criticize me. thanks.

Think of it more like "Tough Love"

how fast is a simple electric arf? not the one channel ones

Or a slap of reality.

You could get something like the firebird in the air quickly, and with help learn to fly it. They are slower, foam and would fly in a park. You could probably do that, or maybe something like a gentle lady glider or electric glider, but you still have the time constraints of getting it together and learning to fly it. They would be a heck of a lot safer for you in the time you have

flyboy answer the correct questions i ask or please get out of my thread. im trying to keep it serious and on topic

edit: thank you

what about a 4 channel park flyer

I think the bottom line is that if you're looking for something that will get you into the air quickly, affordably and safely, you may want to try this link.

http://www.richmondrc.com/vma/storec...vma%20d014.htm

I am curious what experience folks have had with these, they seem like great planes for teh cash. or am I way off the mark.

If you got one of these with the motor package and spent $179.00 for the Futaba 6EXA, then another $50.00 for field gear, you would be heading in the right direction. Please though, try and get some help learning, you will pancake this in on the first flight with out some help.


Tom

ive shied away from the gas trainers.

intrested in something simlilar a bit slower and electric

my sugestion is to seek out the local RC field and ask the questions of the fellows there and explain your purpose. we are builders of model aircraft and we are knowledgable about your questions. IT AIN"T a school yard project-- it costs money $$ and can be dangerous to spectators. we have to be resonsable to ourselves and to spectators. its not a school yard project. PERIOD. we will help you build but not fly in a school yard with student spectators. did I repeat myself enough to get the point across? dick

Tom, it would be as good of a trainer as most others that look like it, Eagle II and such, but he still has the same problem. Small area to fly, not enough time to learn it, and flying in front of a crowd.

I think a small electric park flyer would be a better choice. It would get him built in the time frame, and probably he would be able to learn to control it with help in that time frame, but with his attitude, he is going to have trouble getting help.

Arrow, tick off the people that are trying to help you by not listening and copping an attitude on them, and they will do the same thing Crash and I will end up doing. Walking away and thinking how we will spend our time helping those who apprecite it and deserve it.

i personally dont understand how im ticking off people as you are the people who are throwing the insults.
im just trying to figure out what has to be cut from the plan(gas powered, warbird, etc.) to get working.
good ok we figured out what i cant do... how about what i can do now?

Flyboy, yeah I see you're point. I suggested this becasue I looked over the posts and an hour ago he said he prefered gas..(read glow) to electrics. If he has changed his mind in that drastic of a direction within the last hour and 20 minutes, well you know the rest.

Good luck Arrow, I hope you can decide on something and stick to it long enough to get you're grade.

Why do I have visions of a smoking plane climbing to the highest possible altitude and soaring off into the distance never to be seen again?

Tom

Why do I have visions of a smoking plane climbing to the highest possible altitude and soaring off into the distance never to be seen again?


cause there have obviously been some horrible newbie accidents and now all newbs are stereotyped as immature and incapable of learning

You won't like the "wow factor" if the plane crashes into the school, someone's car, or even worse a person.
It's nice that you like gas, but you should abandon the idea of trying to fly a glow powered train at a school during the day in front of people. It's not safe and I'd be surprised if any teacher would permit it unless the facilities were right and you were able to demonstrate adequate proficiency before hand. With less than a month to learn, you're not going to get to that point. Something to think about is that an accident of this type is what leads to more laws and regulations against flying. Don't try something stupid and mess things up for the rest of us.

Additionally, setting up and operating a glow engine adds to the complexity of the project. If you're really going to accomplish this in the given time, you've got to go the easiest route. IMO, an electric trainer would be significantly easier to assemble and get flying than a glow trainer. Their significantly slower speed makes them easier to learn on, allows you to fly in a smaller space, and increases the chances that you could get good enough to even think about a demo flight. Said demo flight should not even be attempted in front of a crowd unless you can prove before hand that you are in FULL CONTROL of the plane.

My suggestion that you may be able to pull this off was only for a small, slow, electric trainer. It was also based on the (perhaps overly optimistic) assumption that you are mature, a quick learner, and able to understand and follow directions (both for assembling the plane, and of the person teaching you). Change any of these assumptions and you most likely cannot get to the point of doing the demo flight.

So, the bottom line is if you think you are going to try to learn enough to do the demo, go electric. Even if you don't get to the point of being safe enough to do a demo, you have more than enough material to complete the project. If you prefer glow, find an instructor, build a glow trainer, document the building process, and have someone tape some of your lessons (at a proper flying field, not the school yard). You could also go the tape route with an electric and eliminate any risk of causing problems at school. Present the project to the class in the form of an in class screening of the film followed by showing them how the plane works. Obviously, you don't want to be starting the engine during the in class demo, but if you went electric, you could at least demonstrate turning on the motor.

Liberator, have you been able to contact Richmond R/C lately? Their web pages are dated in 1999 and their phone numbers don't show up in the reverse lookup services. Looks like a good deal if still available.

ok.... so any choices on a preferably 4 channel electric park flyer?

what speeds do these reach?

edit: two kids in my cgrade are doing nitro rc cars which i would love to do. only problem is the teachers know i do them already since i drive it in the lot after school. i know ill probly be laughing at them when they cant get the engine tuned and started just as you are laughing at me

No Al, I have not tried. I was just looking through the pages and saw some things that looked interesting. Here is another link that is newer.

http://www.richmondrc.com/vma/site_news.htm

I was looking at the P-51 myself and I also like the fact that most of the stuff is aimed at the .46 to .52 size. Might be good for my OS 50SX.

Tom

Actually no one is laughing at you Arrow, we are just trying to help you have a good, safe and fun experience. [8D]

Tom

(to the tune of Rawhide) Trolling, trolling, trolling....keep on a trolling.

Some of the 3 and 4 channel park fliers can fly very slow. Don't dismiss the 3 channel ones. I learned on a 3 channel plane (with a 4 channel radio), it's surprising what you can do with rudder and elevator. I don't have either, but the GWS Estarter and Slow Stick are supposed to be decent. Check out the electric forums and the user reviews for more ideas. Add a basic 4 channel radio with a micro flight pack, a couple batteries, ESC, basic charger, (and ?... I probably missed a few things) and you're good to go.

the slow stick apprently hits "brisk walk speed" probly like 4-5 mph.... anything a little more visually stimulating? like near the 20 mph range?

richmond RC is still there. I bought a plane from them late last summer. I get newsletters from them all the time. They are cheap arfs, and the reason they're cheap really shines after you get the plane in your hand. Very weak wood, poor construction, and cheap covering. However, I had one for a second plane and it served it's purpose very well. It has since went on to live with the plane God's in heaven, but it taught me a lot about flying point and fly airplanes. I wouldn't be where I'm at today (which is just enough to be dangerous) without it. Don't be scared of them, but don't expect more than what you're paying either! Stay away from the vmax engines, though. You'll be ready to shoot yourself in the foot by the time you get that thing running how you like it.

ok if you are building an arf yea its possible, but that basicly isnt building, thats just turning some screws and waiting for glue to dry
on the other hand if you want a kit, .40-.60, no way will you have the time to build it
if you really want to do it, try something alot smaller, sig Rascel(not sure how fast it builds)
and this is nothing like building an rc car... i have a t-maxx that is taken down and back together in 12 hours, with a plane kit you are looking at 4+ times that, and an arf in about 10-20 hours (depending on the plane)
i also dont think you should do it... like was said, crashed into school, car.... that would go against everybody who flies not just you....
thats my 2 pennies!

For someone who has never done this before attempting it without an instructor... I'd say this it should be more then stimulating for you


I still think you should find something that takes less time to complete