Can you please explain
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ORIGINAL: JohnW
"Most people seem to think that because they get more revs using an APC then they must be better. What it really means is that, for one reason or another, the APC isn't as good at converting HP into thrust."
I don't believe we can draw that conclusion without more evidence. Why couldn't it be that brand X prop gets more RPM because it has less drag? That would actually make it more efficient in converting HP into thrust...
"Most people seem to think that because they get more revs using an APC then they must be better. What it really means is that, for one reason or another, the APC isn't as good at converting HP into thrust."
I don't believe we can draw that conclusion without more evidence. Why couldn't it be that brand X prop gets more RPM because it has less drag? That would actually make it more efficient in converting HP into thrust...
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So in other words the shape of the prop is not a factor in performance/efficiency, but the right prop/plane/engine combo is what ultimately gives you performance/efficiency. And conclusion of performance/efficiency is all achieved by trial and error or are there tools for this (like a tach for RPM)?
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ORIGINAL: flybug
So in other words the shape of the prop is not a factor in performance/efficiency, but the right prop/plane/engine combo is what ultimately gives you performance/efficiency. And conclusion of performance/efficiency is all achieved by trial and error or are there tools for this (like a tach for RPM)?
So in other words the shape of the prop is not a factor in performance/efficiency, but the right prop/plane/engine combo is what ultimately gives you performance/efficiency. And conclusion of performance/efficiency is all achieved by trial and error or are there tools for this (like a tach for RPM)?
Experience & ongoing test-trials are needed to get close, while appearance counts for just about zero in the performance game. For example, APC makes a range of scimitar-shaped props with significant variations in root-transition shape, blade offset & effective aspect ratio. They also make a somewhat similar, but less scimitar-like series of props with very slender tips. They all look somewhat similar, but also have clear visual differences. Without prior experience, or reference info from APC, you just can't tell which one (if any) will be right (or even close) for your application. They all will work, but not all will work particularly well.
The same thing holds for MAS, who also make both scimitar & conventionally shaped props -- and just to confuse things -- they also use two different kinds of synthetic construction material.
Looking at a prop and saying to yourself -- "that thing won't work, the tips are too skinny (or too wide)", is quite likely to be very wrong. Even experienced modellers will make mistakes in pre-judging prop performance.
Similarly, making sweeping pronouncements that APC, or MAS are superior to each other, is complete nonsense.
Getting back to reality, there are some rules of thumb that can be helpfull.
1) Don't get emotionally attached to a particular brand, and don't get a hate on for one either.
2) Size props for the correct engine load, so that the engine rpm falls between the torque & power peaks (if you don't have torque info, size the prop for somewhere between the advertised power peak rpm & ~2,000 rpm less)
3) In terms of engine load for mid-size 2-blade props (40 - 90 size engines), 1" of diameter is roughly equivalent to 2" of pitch. (eg. 10-6 = 11-4)
4) Select props for the correct end-use application. For example, with training aircraft peak performance is a secondary consideration to toughness & low price -- reinforced nylon is a good material to use here, regardless of who makes the prop. Don't use wooden props for seaplanes (instant destruction upon exposure to water spray)
5) Select props for the correct airframe application. For example, in training applications speed is an enemy, therefore larger diameter & lower pitch props are a better choice than smaller dia, steeper pitch props -- choose acceleration/deceleration & climb rather than speed.
6) If your model has a large blunt cowl, it is advantageous to choose a large dia prop & sacrifice pitch to keep the engine load in the right ballpark
7) Slim-nosed models can use small diameter, steep-pitched props, but will lose acceleration & climb performance in order to gain a little speed.
8) Under-propping costs flight performance and wears engines more quickly (rear crank-bearings on 2-stroke BB engines & valve-train parts on 4-stroke engines).
9) Over propping costs flight performance (particularly with 2-strokes), wears engines more quickly & raises combustion temps
10) Suck-it-and see



