Hi,

I was wondering, what will be the "perfect" 2nd plane as a warbird?

I already know the scale and warbirds aren't supposed to be 2nd plane, but I do a lot of real flight (around 30 to 45 minutes a day from about 2 or 3 months) I fly every warbirds in all the add-on/expension pack with easy, specialy the corsair, don't know why doh.

I can do many "stunts" or "tricks" like inverted flight, snap roll, spin, roll, loop,... so, I think I can handle one of those.

Actually, I've got a hobbico hobbystar (RTF) with the OS 65la and a futaba 6exa, and since my first solo, I flown about 10 - 15 hours.

I know that there is the Hangar 9 P-51 PTS, but I don't think that will be a great step up. If you think otherwise, feel free to tell.

Could you point me what you will recommend including a link to this bird?

Thanks for you advice.

SDG666

The Hangar 9 Is a nice plane but you may want to go with the ARF model & put your own engine in it & radio gear. I think the Evoultion .52 or something similar would be a great set up. My son has been flying his PTS for some time now & it has been a very dependable & great flying airplane.

Since you already know Warbirds are not second planes... I'll spare you the "well maybe you should try >insert suitible plane name here< first lecture. If your going to jump right in the Hanger 9 ARFs aren't to bad. I have the Spitfire Mk II .60 with a Saito 1.00. Another good choice may be the P-40 or even the "Jug" aka P-47 T-Bolt. The reason I am recomending these planes are the fact that they have big eliptical wings... like a surf board. With only minor tapperring they are a bit more forgiving than a P-51 which is what everyone seams to want to jump right into. Below is a link to my amature review I did on this plane after having maidened it and there is a link to a video of it flying at the bottom of the review. Also here is a link to Horizon for the plane. [link=http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HAN4250]Spitfire Mk II ARF[/link]

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_51...tm.htm#5108348

Okay, I can't help myself.

Put all of your gear into a 4 Star 60!!!

LOL you nailed Mr Stang,my second plane a Gizmo kit I built, alot like a high wing Sig Something extra,it was a great start and really is much more manueverable than either of my H-9 warbirds.
I would think as long as you have some solid instructional guidence,at least flying on a buddy box for a bit to get used to the more sensitive plane, then any of the Hangar-9 warbirds would be ok they are pretty easy to fly, but do have some quirks that for the inexpierenced can get you into trouble fast,there point and shoot planes and not self correcting like a trainer would be.
on the other hand there's some planes with symetrical strait wings that some consider second planes, that are alot looser than the H-9's when on high control rates.
my first warbird was a H-9P-40,I had alot of help with trimming it and with the maiden flight, after that I haven't looked back, but it was at least 2 years of flying and sim training before that,having pretty much mastered the trainer on take off and landing as well as the Gizmo.
being a warbird fan I would say you wouldn't go wrong with a H-9

LOL , How true. The PTS P51 is a good plane , but it wont be near as much fun as a 4* will be and the 4* will teach you more.

A Sig Hog isn't bad as a warbird trainer - low wing with barn door ailerons. The Top Flite Contender 60 is a warbird trainer (sadly not a tail-dragger). She's fast, has a low wing and the apron flap gets you used to thinking "I should do something with a switch before I can land" which is good retracts practice.

If you're looking ARF the 4-Star or a Goldberg Tiger, maybe a Kaos.

Warbirds have a high wing loading and fly "heavy" and don't do right-angle pull-outs and such. 3-D models won't help you there. With a "warbird trainer" what you want to do is pitch the prop up - like a 10X8 instead of an 11X5 - to give speed and less low-end torque. Then do a lot of landing practice with the throttle kept to about 1/4 up. You don't float a warbird in.

An AT6 or PT19 wouldn't be a bad first warbird.

Just remember that a lot of the scale warbirds retain flight characteristics of the full sized planes.

My Texan likes to tip stall on a slow approach.
We have lost a couple Corsairs at my field because members love the looks of the plane, and expect it to fly a lot like their second planes.
If you are inexperienced, you could lose it rather easily.

While I have never flown one, I have heard that the 4* is an increadible plane.

If you are still stuck on a warbird, as Mr. Stang mentioned, the Spitfire might be your best bet until you get a few more hours under your belt.

Bob

Note that on the "real" Spitfires the landing gear pivots in towards the fuselage (opposite of many like the P-47 and P-51). Made for a very narrow carriage and they have a tendency to dig in a wing tip on landing. Some of the R/C models have taken liberties with the scaleness, while others have kept true to design.

Look how many variations of the P-51 Mustang are out there. Just because a model has invasion bars painted on and a simulated belly oil cooler does not a Musting make . . . it. I have noted that when someone says "My first plane was a Mustang" it's usually not what I would consider a scale warbird.

the H-9 mustang,or any of the H-9 planes for that matter, is more of a sport flyer in warbirds clothing, at less than 8lbs it is a floater and has a slow approach speed for landing,and hardly any tip stall tendencies.

the spit on the other hand does have those splayed out gear and can be rather tricky to land,a club member had one that he ran electric,it flew nicely untill his battery went south on him, and he turned it into a pile of rubble, we have a bit of a trecherous field if you don't hit the landing strip.

the sim is a tool for advancement, its surprising how much I improved with practicing with it,and even if I don't fly for a while and just hit the sim to keep tuned up its like I never left the field.
there is no better way to learn then by actually flying but the curve is lessened with these tools, as well as these easyer flying planes there not like a 11lb Spitfire there so much lighter and easy to handle they really float and require less flying on the wing like a "real"warbird that when power is pulled back sinks like a rock and tip stalls.

First thing, The flight simulator on your computer really does not do warbirds justice in thier ground handling or stall charateristics. so don't use that as an indication of your abilities. An easy flying tailwheel plane such as a Sig 4-60 would be your next step followed by a high performance sport plane such as an extra 300, then onto a sport warbird such as a Hanger Nine P-47, Then maybe a Top Flite etc.

I still believe that this is a nice plane to fly as a 2nd plane. I trained my son to fly with it when he was 9, Now almost 11 he is flying the wings off it & grabs my Twist every chance he gets. I thought I would throw in a pic of my mustang.

To tell the truth, I was thinking about (I know it's crazy) the [link=http://www.greathobbies.com/productinfo/?prod_id=HAN2575]F4U Corsair w/Retracts ARF 60[/link]

I do love the "Whistling Death", this is my all time favorite plane (don't know why... maybe it's just the look or the fear I "feel" when I look at this plane, or mayby just I wish I could fly the real thing).

So if I understand, why you guy are telling my, an aerobatic like an EXTRA 300 or Yak 54 or CAP232 are more easely managed than a typical warbird?

And I should go to a "low wing trainer" like the 4*, or pulse or something like that, but it's not what I like about plane, I like scale and warbird, could I use a [link=http://www.greathobbies.com/productinfo/?prod_id=SEA11300]PC-9 Roulette ARF[/link], as it was a military trainer, it should be more "user frendly" than a typical warbird?

Thanks again

The H9 60-size warbirds all seem to be described by their owners as, "flies like a trainer".

I've flown the P40 and the P47 and darned if they don't fly as safely as my Tiger2, Tiger60, Calmato Sport, you get the picture. The two I've got experience with would work. They do so well, in fact, that I'm about to finish up the F4U Corsair. I know one guy I trust who has had one and he says the thing....... you get the picture.

WM T-34 might be worth considering. It`s a trike, that`s true, but flies a lot like some of the better sport scale war birds.

H9 Corsair, Would be an Excellent choice. But replace the stock retracts with bigger ones.
Just get some help with it at first.

2HI2C,
What part of the Sooner state are you from???

Ken

the down side to the 3 rotators(planes with rotating gear),the P-40,corsair,and the hellcat is the retracts that come with the plane.
there not too bad,meaning they will work,at least mine do on my P-40,but if you don't have any expierence with retractable gear, then simple one move gear is the way to introduce yourself to them.
the rotating gear require alot of messing with,and adjustment,I have to tweak mine after a couple of days of flying or after a hard landing on my P-40.
with my H-9 mustang I have bent the struts but the maintanence is minimal.
the mustang,P-47 Thunderbolt,or even a lesser choice being the spitfire,would be a easy choice for your first bird.
the Corsair does look prety cool though

My 2 cents - as a first "war-bird" and as a second plane, the PTS P-51 would be an excellent choice. At a hundred ft away, it looks like a scale Mustang (except for the wheels hanging out). Once most the the "training" stuff is off, it is a good flying bird. Sim time is great, but as been said before, the sim has everything perfect, I've never had the experiance of having a perfect plane right of the box. I tell my students every plane has its little quirks and that you have to learn them as you fly. I would not recommend a Corsair as a 2nd plane (they can be a handful). The Spitfire is a great plane to fly and all lot of the ARFs seem to have the Spitfire gear spread out instead of where they should be, so ground handling isn't that bad.

Uh, Charlie, the Sig Hog has strip ailerons, unlike the original . The instructions include an copy of the original build article and plans which do show the barn door ailerons but it will take a bit of work to modify the Sig wing to match the original.

IMHO, the original flies a better than the Sig version but is not as easy to build due to the more complex wing construction, especially the landing gear (and unless you have the Berkeley kit, you have to scratch build it).

Hogflyer

That's . . . that's. . . unAmerican! Damn kids! I didn't realize the Hog had been corrupted. Oh, the humanities.

First tricycle gear on Stiks and now this. No wonder I never see Hogs at the field anymore. ;-)

Well, they WERE good pre-warbird trainers. Maybe still if you power 'em at the low end. If you can keep an underpowered model in the air an overpowered one will be easy. And warbirds never seem to have enough power.