I been lookin at the ducted airplanes brushless ,like the mirage 2000 , or thre sabra 2and some of the efly planes like the epd-8 or midlet. what do you guys think i want to stay under $300.00 RTF Thanks

check the sticky at tthe top of this page some one was nice and made a really good list with links. my vote hagner 9 rtf alps 40 or 60

none of the planes you listed are remotley appropriate for someone that is new to the hobby.....sorry

As Exeter_acres said, none of the planes you listed are conducive to learning to fly.

I've put together a list of planes that make good trainers and second planes. All of them on the list are proven planes that are well suited for successfully letting students learn to fly, or advance to a second plane. Check out the list here
[link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4537845/tm.htm] Looking for a trainer- what's available. (Updated 12-26-07) [/link]

Hope this helps

Ken