Ive (knock on wood) have had good results using ebay, either buying or selling.

I know my posts sound contradictory but I spend my off site time looking for a deal on the super cub hobbyzone.

Im actually more interested in strapping a little cam to the thing and doing some aerial shots, than I am doing tricks but I had to ask about the hobbico and ailerons (4ch), mainly because its the same price as the 3ch hobbyzone. Ive looked at the hobbyzone super cub webpage and those folks have done it all to that little plane.

I began wondering if anyone used the foam wing and fuselage to form a mold, then use thin fiberglass/carbon fiber to make a plane, swap the electronics over and run it...but...I dream.

Anyone have any experience with the hobbyzone super cub and the hobbyzone MINI super cub? will the mini carry a digital cam? I noticed the motor seems alot smaller and the in flight time is substantially shorter.

Back in the early 80's I started with a cessna 182 foam. It flew but had a bad tip stall until I got the balance right. Then it flew well. DO NOT fear 4 channels. My trainer was a 3 channel and when I got a 4 channel I was shocked at how much easier it was to fly than the 3 channel. Just rememer to fly the wing tips and the nose. Do not try to fly the control box. I am teaching students that think they can learn the feel of the box. KEEP your eye on the wings. They must be level unless you intend to turn. If one gets high apply stick and get it level. If the nose is to high or begins to sort of shake it's about to stall. Keep the plane almost level on landings. FIRST download FMS, it's a free simulator and it works well. You can buy a controller for 20 bucks. Learn to fly on the simulator and go straight to a good stable 4 channel plane. To learn how to fly you must use the simulator daily. One hour several times a day and before you go to bed at night. When a plane is coming toward you, push the stick toward the low wing, Keep them level until the plane is past you. Then make turns. Learn to land with the plane coming toward you. I have heard good things about the Super Cub but not flown one. I have a wing dragon that is 3 channel and I like it but it's underpowered, most foamy's are unless they have a brushless motor. Some people like the 4 channel Wing Dragon but the radio is cheap and I think the plane is over priced at 120 bucks, at 100 I would go for it. If so you need to buy new servo's when you buy the plane. Both of mine failed within two weeks. Read forums to find out how a plane flies. Often a beginner rates one badly when an experienced pilot gives one a better rating. If a guy flies Nitro and does not like electric does not make him an expert. If one likes exlectric and hates nitro does not make him an expert. Read, and decide for yourself. One word of caution, in my opinioin the ACT on HZ planes is not a good idea but rather a good sales gimmic. On mine I cut the wires and tape them up as soon as I get a new plane. I do buy the Phantoms. Also I love electrics. I flew Nitro for years and the difference in problems and simplicity is unreal. I do not plan on going back to nitro but YES they are good planes. Balsa breaks and takes a lot longer to repair than foam. Coverings are expensive and you end up buying lots of that to make repairs. I left balsa planes behind and do not plan on going back. EPP or EPO foam glues right up and you go back to flying the same day. I just bought a Cessna 747 for $99.34 delevered. Do not know how well it flies but will let you know when it arrives. Yes it's foam. Never allow anyone intimidate you with the word "toy" plane. All planes that fly are either toys or real. Just talk to the owner. I love to fly often and keep a couple of 2 channel 30 dollar Aero Hoggs Bi planes from wallyworld. I have enticed lot of people into the hobby flying them. Great for kids. Often while my wife shops I fly one of them in the parkng lot using street light. I can land in my hat much of the time. Good flying is flying the wing. There are old and bold pilots and I am old. There is no need to do a lot of stunts to amaze non fliers..Yes I like a hot plane too and enjoy flying hot as much as the next guy, but I also like slow, easy, lazy circles. A cheap Aero Hoggs goes with me all time and often I carry a HZ Phantom (it should NOT be considered A TRAINER). It is a 3 channel but it is fast. I think it's more tricky to fly than some 4 channels. Sadly, it's sold as a trainer which supposedly eleminates a need for an instructor. I feel sorry for the kid that buys one thinking he is going straight out and be successful. The law of business is, the seller often needs your business and often DOES NOT know much about the plane. Often he tells you what he was told which may or may not be good advice. Experience is the best way to learn and a cheap plane can be a good plane. I can't see why anyone would not want a HZSC unless the price has gotten to high. Someone told me the servo's may be 5 wire instead of 3 and that could be a problem later down the road. CHECK that OUT it's hear say. I think the best advice may be from old guys who have nothing to gain by tellng you their opinion. GET a 4 channel..IF you fly the simulaotr FIRST and have someone who is GOOD to go out with you for the first few times. ALWAYS CHECK your Transmitter box. CHECK the trim tabs, check the directions of movements. Even experienced fliers have gotten flight controlls hooked in reverse. You dont want to give it right stick only to see it bank left. Then nervously apply MORE right only to suddenly be upside down. More right stick and you finally get the top on top. Do not make any turns just glide down and learn the alierons are backwards. YES< in about 1983. You NEVER forget those lessons. Any flier coming into the hobby is going to make mistakes. That is how we learn. Go fly. fear not, crash and rejoice, for you are NOW leaning the right way. Get what you want, you CAN learn to fly, pray for help and hope to meet the right people. LET them help you. LISTEN and take the advice from pilots YOU KNOW for sure can fly. Watch them fly before you ask. that is about as good as I can give. Hope it helps..

That was alot.

I decided to get decent electronics and build an easy inexpensive foam plane.

Thanks

Check this one out:

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Inexpensive, ample flying time, easy to repair, sold by various vendors, easily upgradeable ( click on his other videos where he shows the plane hopped up with a new motor and ailerons ), large....

And if you total it, it will not bother you as much as other planes.

While you are flying that, start working on putting together your own setup for your second plane.

This statement negates your opening questions! Why on earth would you be concerned about a more capable transmitter unless you envision advancing further into the hobby?

The other thing to consider is that the hobby is way more than just flying. Its about what it takes to fly, why things fly, what makes things fly better or worse, and how good you will be able to fly the way you want to fly.

When you build a kit you gain a tremendous insight to real aircraft design and construction. If you successfully build a kit you still have to fly it. With an investment in materials, time, and personal effort; struggling to understand manuals, plans, other enthusiasts comments and observations you will to a certain extent "worry" the thing into the air. You'll be amazed at the "test pilot" feeling you'll experience and the concern that you don't destroy it before it gets off the ground.

If these thoughts have no meaning or are of no interest to you just spend $200 and get the latest RealFlight simulator. (you should do this anyway)

You'll be able to experience flying in a very realistic setting more aircraft than you can imagine and if you do it with the mindset of really doing it and not just watching the purty little planes crash on your screen you'll be developing real skills that translate directly to the field.

But if you desire to truly "experience" flying an airplane as far as you can with a model ...build one, rig it up, and fly it. And I'll name names, models, and a brand for you all with the objective of you being successful in your very first effort with a minimal investment.

While the deals are still out there get an Airtronics RDS8000 transmitter/reciever combo and a Magnum .15 XLS, and four 94102z servos all from www.hobbypeople.net. Order a Dynaflite Butterfly kit and some ultracote, CA glue, 30 minute epoxy, a covering iron, razor saw w/mitre box, and an exacto knife from Tower Hobbies. Get you a sturdy 6ft long folding leg formica top table (like in a elementary school cafeteria) and a good lamp to illuminate your workspace.

Set down to it in your quiet hours of the day and take it slowly, follow the direction, and build the plane. Commit to it, don't rush, and just see how long it takes until your finished - NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES YOU. As you go along, realize you goof up, go to your local hobby shops and pickup the items you need. But as much as possible do it yourself without asking for assistance. When you finally bog down on something and have tried and tried to figure it out and just can't get your arms around it...Then get online and search out some build threads and research it.

When you finally have no alternative but to ask for help I bet you'll ask good questions and I'll bet you'll receive some good and much appreciated answers!

Then join the AMA, get to a club field and find out about membership and training. Let the members there assist you with making certain your plane is ready to fly, getting you in the air, and helping you to solo. But mostly LET THEM ASSIST YOU.

Truthfully I've given you an economical shortest route to a successful venture and one you'll have been proud to have undertaken.

Their are many routes you just have to choose one.

Best of luck to you,

Clay

Look at that 4 ch. on your ebay item: the horizontal stab / elevator is installed backward in the picture. I wouldn't trust it at all from folks like that.
My advice: stick with a known name product, from a source you have some recourse with. I personally don't do foamies, I bought a Stryker B model, I am not impressed with it. It does do what the box says it does. Nothing more. I will stick to my glow arfs and kit builts.

Hey inline sounds like you might be a little confused about the number of channels of the radio verses the number of channels of the plane. you can buy a6 channel radio and still use only 4 channels this way when you progress into another plane that you need another channel or two you already have them you won't have to buy another radio in the long run if your going to get into the hobby you might as well look to the future and get a good radio now.besides it's cheaper to pay a little extra now instead of buying a 4 ch and next year buy a6 or 8 ch radio just athought.

Heres my experience with my first kit build...
Total cost of build so far not including build materials,,, because those will be used over again.. hopefully ..

Kit HOB P-51 .20 43" $55.00 Tower
Transmitter Tower Hobbies 4 Channel $28.00 Ebay
Receiver Hitec Mini 6 S $26.oo Tower
Crystal channel 42 $8.oo Tower
Rx batt Hitec 4cell 4.8 600 Mah $12.00 Tower
Servos 3 sg90 $18.00 Headsuprc
servos 1 sg5010 $7.00 Headsuprc
servos 1 ts 53 Free coupon Tower
servo ext 2-12" $5.20 Headsuprc
Engine OS 25F with prp,muff,tank $40.00 Rcgroups Seller.. Nice fella lmopar69
Engine mt Dave Brown .20-.25 $4.00 Tower
Misc hinges, screws, control horns $11.00 Tower

Total $214.20....

I meant for this to be a budget saver... I guess for a first build I'm doing all right...
What do Ya'll think???

So far I have.

5ch TX, six channel rx, brushless motor, esc, four servos and I paid about a 100 bux.



Not really, Id like to get my best bang for the buck now, just in case I do plan to evolve but all this considered, Id say my future options are limited.

Just a word as I don't see that you have actually purchased the plane yet. I would still concider getting the SC if you haven't done it yet. ESPECIALLY if it is available at a local hobby shop.

Some of the reasons: Parts availability... since this is a beginner plane most hobby stores carry all kinds of replacement parts so if you have a problem you can go in and get the parts quick, no having to wait to order them. With a balsa wood airplane if you crash hard you can just about write off that plane, where with a foam beginner not only can it handle a harder impact, it can be much easier to fix. Also, it is a great flyer for a beginner BUT don't forget you can upgrade! Just because it doesn't come with ailerons doesn't mean you can't put some on later. This is something I have done. I have a SC that was upgraded with a brushless motor and 3c lipo. I also put ailerons on it and so made it a 4ch airplane. Best of all, when I go crasy trying to do stuff and crash, it won't kill my pocketbook to fix (just will take some small amount of time). I build mine from parts, not from a kit, and it took me about 2 days. It is in the parkflyer section, check it out.

Ive been telling inline to buy the supercub for a while now but he seems to be quite creative from what ive seen so far. His cardboard deltawing airframe looks quite impressive for a first attemp. I think he has good intentions but also underestimates the value of a good trainer/begginer plane such as the supercub or easystar. I say learn on something that you know flies well and then get creative and experiment. Just my 2 cents.

There is some major PROs on electric planes auch as the "SC" but if you wish to moved on to "glow" there a cheap way with a "spad" wich is a coroplast plane, really cheap, fun and quick to build.

[link=http://www.spadtothebone.com/freeplans.htm]Spad to the bone[/link] for some plans
Look at the spadet (about 45$ or less)

For the radio: [link=http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXSFY3&P=SM]futaba 6 exa 2.4[/link] 2604

For the engine: [link=http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKF97&P=ML]thunder tiger pro 46[/link] 95$

and your good to go

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