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Old 02-06-2009 | 04:29 PM
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Can you use one of those metal containers ( like the ones that contain paint thinner ) to store glow fuel in. I would get a new one to avoid any sorf of mixing of chemicals. The reason I ask is that I have seen it done and wondered if it was an acecpted practice. It is also about the right size for my field box, so I was going to do it as well if it is alright to do.
Old 02-06-2009 | 04:34 PM
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If you mean a metal gallon can then YES. Some manufacturers sell fuel in that type of containr. Most have gone to plastic because they are cheaper and don't damage easily.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXB895&P=7 This is the type I was referring to. (Or similar)
Old 02-06-2009 | 04:42 PM
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Oh, cool. Yes, that is exactly what I meant. I had only seen plastic being sold at LHS so I was going to try to go to a home improvment store and get one. Thanks.
Old 02-06-2009 | 05:23 PM
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You can use it, but (and this is a HUGE but) make sure there is no other chemicals in the can before you add the glow fuel. If not at the least you'll ruin a gallon of fuel, and at the most you may wind up with a bad chemical reaction that might not be too fun to be around.

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If you can find PowerMaster fuel, it comes in metal cans.
Each time your can gets empty, look inside it to see if it has any rust before you fill it back up. Glow fuel can attract moisture and the moiture can cause rust inside the can. Not good.
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Old 02-06-2009 | 07:36 PM
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the dave brown can looks nice, but these are a bargain, and they have several sizes to choose from http://www.yankeecontainers.com/PHP/...can&astyle=rec
Old 02-07-2009 | 11:06 AM
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Before you spend money ask at the club if anyone has one they don't want.
As 42etus says, some fuel comes in them and there may be some empties available.
That is what I use. I then attached a 5 cell receiver pack and fuel pump to the handle with zip ties.
It is great to use and very compact to carry.

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Old 02-07-2009 | 12:18 PM
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Thanks for the replies. I would not use a can that had ever had anything but glow fuel in it previously. I was just using the "paint thinner" can as a reference. I will ask around the club and see if anyone has an empty one and make sure there is no rust. They just looked like a good idea to doing something like KW_Counter did and strap a fuel pump to it. The more I think about it, with the potential for rust and denting the can and so on, I may just stick to plastic. There is a reason all of the manufactures I had ever seen unitl now were all plastic.
Old 02-07-2009 | 01:39 PM
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It's not metal, but I use one of [link=http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXJ810&P=7]these.[/link] Fits in the space on my field tote, uses the same size cap as the gallon plastic fuel jugs, and won't rust.

I also like that it's a half-gallon as it helps me regulate my obsessive-compulsive flying behavior at the field
Old 02-07-2009 | 02:52 PM
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You can get one of those gaRCfield is showing you at Wally World with 1/2 gallon of white wall tire cleaner in it for about .50 cent more. You can clean all of the tires at your house and the neighbors mabey even your in-laws then presto you have a fuel jug for your tote. Be sure and clean it out good before you put fuel in it.
Old 02-07-2009 | 03:39 PM
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Any metal can that had a solvent will be fine. From Acetone to paint thinner, once you empty the can and leave it open for 20 minutes, you will not contaminate your fuel. Do not attempt to solder any tubes to the can, but run them through the cap.
Old 02-07-2009 | 07:20 PM
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Yeah, after reading the previos posts concerning rust mostly ( I would not use a previously used can unless it originally came with glow fuel in it ), I was looking at the same thing that gaRCfield mention he used. It sounds like the plastic is just less to worry about. I am already terrified of the hundred other things that I can screw up with all this. Ha Ha Ha.
Old 02-07-2009 | 08:40 PM
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I use a lot of acetone and alcohol so I buy it by the gallon. For me I always get the cans with the big caps then I just buy the fuel can kit for a couple of bucks and it is an easy fit. After use I just leave the caps off of the cans for a couple of days so there is no left overs. I have made up a lot of these for other people with my left overs, sometimes I have a lot of empty cans around. This one shown is for gas and I have another one just like it in my big flight box. I like the plastic one Joe is showing you in the half gallon, it too has a big enough cap. I find the caps on my Power Master cans too small but if you have deep pockets there is a special cap or electric fuel pump for them you can buy so you don't need to worry about filling up your after market can.
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Old 02-07-2009 | 08:57 PM
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Good pictures Gray Beard

It looks like you used the Du-Bro kit. This is from their web site.

http://www.shopatron.com/product/part_number=192/101.0

When I mentioned using any solvent, I guess I should have qualified that to any inorganic solvent, since water is also considered a solvent.

But I go through enough acetone that I always have a can or two.

As to plastics, there are too many that are not compatable with glow fuel. Unless you buy a 5 gallon fuel jug from a speed shop that the plastic is formulated to contain methanol and Nitro.
Old 02-07-2009 | 09:55 PM
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You can also use the containers corn and saflower oils come in. Although I'd clean them out with some alcolhol the truth is they'd blend in just fine. I remember guys burning mentanol-corn oil or olive oil in their .049's years ago as an alternative to castor. I doubt a little bit left in a container would have a noticeable impact but swishing around some alcohol to clean it out is just too easy to do.

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Old 02-07-2009 | 09:59 PM
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ORIGINAL: MetallicaJunkie

the dave brown can looks nice, but these are a bargain, and they have several sizes to choose from http://www.yankeecontainers.com/PHP/...can&astyle=rec
I have one of the Dave Brown cans for glow and his Six-Shooter pump attached and have used it for years. I asked him why he didn't make a gas version even though he has a gasoline ready Six-Shooter and he said "you can use the can for gasoline, but I can't sell it to you for use with gasoline because of the new emission and container laws."

So mine has "GASOLINE" stenciled over where it formerly said "Glow Fuel" and all is right with the world.

Actually, gasoline is better to store in metal cans as alcohol attracts moisture/water and it can corrode the can.


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This is the setup I use. Plastic jugs, a separate pump for each fuel. Red cap is 30% for my YS engines, blue cap is 15% for everything else. Works for me.
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Old 02-07-2009 | 11:15 PM
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As Highplains and some other have indicated any metal hardware store solvent containers are no problem and require not much more than just being aired out. I have used paint thinner, acetone and lacquer thinner cans from the hardware store and although many no longer come with the large all metal cap some are all metal with serated edge and a plastic safety ring. This can be cut off and the cap can be soldered which I prefer to do for a cleaner and leak proof job rather than the compression thru fittings sold for the purpose (these are particularly leaky when used on plastic caps. This type cap can be seen in the close up picture of the quart can.

I do use Powermaster fuel almost exclusively but do no use their cans for my flightlne cans since these cans have molded and swedged plastic threads on the can and these will gradually losen and leak with continued use.

With the metal can a pump can be attached with a thick layer of RTV and nothing else is required (no straps) and the pump is much easier to use without the attendant wiggling.

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Old 02-07-2009 | 11:22 PM
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With the metal can a pump can be attached with a thick layer of RTV and nothing else is required (no straps) and the pump is much easier to use without the attendant wiggling.
Warning - Just had a Damn, why didn't I think of that moment.

Thanks John.
Old 02-07-2009 | 11:31 PM
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Aye mate, I love it just old Racers taking care of each other
Old 02-08-2009 | 05:48 PM
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This can be cut off and the cap can be soldered which I prefer to do for a cleaner and leak proof job rather than the compression thru fittings sold for the purpose (these are particularly leaky when used on plastic caps. This type cap can be seen in the close up picture of the quart can.

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I agree. The soldered fittings don't leak and last for years.

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TTJames,

The rust and previous contents are concerns to be aware of, not reasons to not do something.
I used to use an old Tide bottle. Loved its big bright red appearance for fuel.
Just cleaned it up really good.
As for rust, be aware of its possibility and periodically check for it before refueling the can.
These cans are usually coated on the inside. The coating varies with the intent of the original filler.
(I know this because used to work for an olive processor and packager.)
If you use an can previously designed for glow fuel it will be coated with a product that can handle the glow fuel
and reduce the risk of rust. It won't last forever but should give you a good life.

I prefer the metal can because the batter/pump fit on it better and it is more comfortable to carry.

Good Luck,
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Old 02-09-2009 | 09:28 AM
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KW_Counter, I think I will give it a try. I just liked the way I saw someone had thiers setup like yo usay with the pump and so on. Thnaks.
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Plastic don't rust... never. Just a thought.

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