I'm not sure you can help but here goes:

I'm not a big model airplane hobbyist - at least not yet- but I'm looking to try to get into the sport. I'd like to run down a PT19 Trainer made by Cox. I had one as a boy more than 30 years ago. Flew the thing into the ground, because I was only 8 and had no idea what I was doing

Anyway, I've always loved the PT 19s. If anyone has one they'd like to sell or knows where I can get one (already struck out on ebay twice), please let me know. I'm not a collector, so it doesn't need to be in mint condition. Iplan to fly this plane.

My next one, however, might be a collector's item, but I'm sure I'm going to make flying mistakes with this one. My second PT, however, may very well be a collector's item. Right now, I'd settle for a used one for my first. Any help would be appreciated.

Man, the PTs s still look great after all these years. Great colors. ... Brings back a lot of memories.

You may wish to turn collector, as Ihave heard that Cox is not in business any more. Look in the the Control Line forums to see if there are any there. Ihave one, but it is hanging on one of my walls. Ilearned engine tuning on one, after cracking up a Spitfire and P-40 as a kid. Then, I aquired many broken ones as other kids saw me fly on the local baseball diamond, and figured they could do what I had learned to do. When they couldn't, Igot the parts. I ended up with another P-40 and Spitfire, whole, after some contributions. I should have gotten a commission from the local store that sold them....While I was in the military, my parents moved, and Ilost all my Cox stuff. I found the PT-19 in a hobby shop while Iwas traveling about 4 years ago. Good Luck!
(Maybe you could build an r/c kit?)

If you're thinking of flying this as a control line model best of luck in your search...however if your thinking of making a Cox PT-19 into a radio control airtplane..well you'd be better off getting a current RC trainer aircraft like the LT-40....best of luck

If that's going to be your first plane and you want to fly it rc, from looking at it, you may have a hard time. I'd suggest joining a club, get a good instructor and fly a trainer like the Sig Kadet LT-40.

not only are the planes collectors items the engines are being sought after also a they were made better than the later engines.I have one here somewhere that has a quater size nick in the leading edge of one wing.

Appreciate the quick responses.</p>

A couple of clarifications: I'm looking for the PT 19 control line. I'm not interested in RC, at least at this point.</p>

Given that the PTs are hard to find, the reality of the situation,  I guess, is that I'm going to have to pay the collector's rate to get one. Hopefully, a used one will show up on Ebay soon.</p>

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Hi Mike,</p>

I had the same plane when I was a kid, this plane is now available again for control line or</p>

rc,but for electric flight only. (you possibly could convert it to nitro). If you look in this months </p>

Model Aviation magazine on page 118-119,it takes up both pages about it and gives their</p>

website....www.E-fliteRC.com. Horizon Hobby distributes it and you can call toll free</p>

877-504-0233 to find your nearest E-flite dealer. I hope this helps.</p>

rgds,</p>

Perry</p>

Here is a link, and some info, for the eflite model

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=EFL2675

Specs
Wingspan:45 in (1143mm)
Overall Length:36 in (914mm)

Key Features
Can be completed as a Radio Control or Control Line model—switch from Radio Control to Control Line and back again in just a few minutes

Perry, Carrell:</p>

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Thanks for the help. Interesting story. I saw a similar modern version of the PT in my local hobby shop, when I was shopping for a servo unrelated to flying. I asked about the old PTs. Folks at the shop said there were a few still around.</p>

Well, anyway got on the net that day and looked on ebay, message boards, etc. and got hooked. By the way, I think I've got a  good lead on an older, original, which is the one I want most. After I get the original Cox model, I'll go after the modern version you guys showed me. That one looks good, too.</p>

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Again, thanks for all the help.</p>

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Mike</p>

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...LXJ555&amp;P=0</p>

thats a pt-20 i dont know if they are the same. </p>

Yell if you can't find one.  I have 3 of them.  It was my first plane too, about 35 years ago.  I bought them quite some time ago and one of them was missing the pilot.  It would be a good flyer. I probaby paid about $50 for it nearly 15 years ago.  Its in the original box.  I have 3 of those, a P-39, and a P-40.  The P-40 was bloodey expensive!  I had 2 of them but someone offered me $250 for one of them.  I had probably $200 in it.</p>

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The only PT19 I know of is the Great Planes ARF. Had one with a 52 FS in the nose and it was overpowered. If you are looking for a bigger version this one is still out there and it could be electrified if you wanted to go that way. Wouldn't sound any where near as good with an electric motor.

thought of this post just this morning.....advertised in one of my magazines.....E-flight PT-19......can be control line....I suggest you try to google E-flight .......Good luck

Iappreciate everyone's help. Just an update. Ifound two Cox PTs - one through this message board. One plane has arrived; the second is on the way.

Also got my eye on the E flite PT 19, when Iget proficient enough to know what I'm doing, which may be a while. However, I found a CL instructor, who's going to help me out.

Again, thanks for everyone's help.

MIke

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Just wanted to thank everyone for their help.An update:Igot twoold Cox PT 19s. Neither had been flown. One is for display, the other for flying.


Anyway, Itook one out last week and got it flying. Got through two flights with good takeoffs and landings. However, Imust admit I was a little dizzy, particuarly on the first complete flight

But it was an absolute blast. After i get better with the old PT, I'll get the one from either E-Flite or Hangar 9. Again, thanks for everyone's support. Icrashed the PT Ihad as a kid nearly 40 years ago, never got it flying as an 8 year old in '70. Now Ifinally accomplished what I wanted to - just took a few years.

Mike

I remember the elation, when Ifirst got a full circuit w/o crashing, then, when Iran through a whole tank w/o crashing. Iused to fly from a baseball diamond. Take offs were from 1st base to 3 rd base. That was one rugged little plane. Congratulations to you for finding any, and succesfully flying it.

Bingo: I'm getting there. My takeoffs, particularly if hand launched, are shaky as are my landings. The PT doesn't glide real. My landings, despite my best efforts to back up and keep the lines tight, are rougher than I'd like. Fortunately, I'm on grass.

Any suggestions on the takeoff via hand launch or the softer landings would be appreciated.

Mike

Make sure you are using the Cox fuel, or as much Nitro as you can, it may have been 30%. I know it likes more than 20%. If you don't have enough nitro, you may have to shorten the lines to get the speed you need to keep the lines tight. I always ground launched, pointing the nose to the outside to keep the lines tight. You have to use the correct line, as the wrong line will give mushy control. Getting the engine really tweaked to the highest speed possible will give you a little "boost" when you run out of fuel, I used this to bring it down, the rest is up to keeping it under control at speed, dive it to keep speed up, wait until the last second to flair for landing.

Bingo: Thanks for the advice.

What does this mean? Please understand I'm a novice.

"dive it to keep speed up, wait until the last second to flair for landing."

Once the engine is really tuned / tweaked, as it leans out from running out of fuel, it speed up to it's fullest, then dies. When you start getting to know about how much run time you get out of the fuel tank, you start staying up, half to 2/3 your flying height. Assuming you are flying from a baseball diamond like I was, there is only 1/2 of a circuit that you can actually land, the other half is grass, and your best attempt there is a flop. The half of the circuit from 1st to 3rd base is your target, you may be able to bring it in and land it directly, or you use the altitude to keep up your speed by diving, trying to stretch out the glide some to make it past 1st. Hold it level until just before the wheels touch down, then start bringing in up elevator. If you're too fast, you will climb (for a very short while), if you do, just return the elevator to bring you back to level, then start bringing in up elevator again. When it's right, you will know, as the plane will just settle like it is supposed to. You just have to work on it, it will come with practice. Good luck!

I'm looking for a good quality pt 19 "kit" to build...does anyone have a suggestion for a manufaturer ?

Thanks...