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Old 09-27-2009 | 10:36 PM
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I went to a fly- in ( not a a fly-in just a group of guys in a field). There was no club just a group that started as a forum. I went with a club member who is a member. He told me that they were a parting group of people. When we got there, it was a very large group of people all from different parts of the U.S.A in the field. I had noticed that the people beside us were drinking and flying. The first thing that pop in my head was the sign at my club that says " NO ALCOHOL ALLOWED." Has the day goes on, I notice that large number of people were drinking. No body was vomiting or anything, but just causally drinkin a beer and talkin. Not very body was drinking ( me and my club member including), werent. I'm not gonna say the forum cause some of ya'll might belong to it. Overall it was very nice, amazing flying, great people, all who were haveing a good time. What do ya'll think of drinking and flying.
Old 09-27-2009 | 10:56 PM
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Drinking and flying = bad
Drinking after flying = ok as long as there is a designated driver.
Old 09-27-2009 | 10:57 PM
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Drinking and flying is as good a combination as drinking and driving [sm=thumbs_down.gif][sm=thumbs_down.gif][sm=thumbs_down.gif]
Old 09-27-2009 | 11:00 PM
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In my opinion drinking and flying ranks right up there with drinking and driving or drinking and shooting. It is a horrible, dangerous idea.
Old 09-27-2009 | 11:01 PM
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I don't think that drinking and typing works too well either.
Old 09-27-2009 | 11:07 PM
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I'm drinking beer right now, but I am at home. Thats the only place I drink.
Old 09-27-2009 | 11:08 PM
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I don't think that drinking and typing works too well either.

Thtas wat poritical forumbs R-4.
Old 09-27-2009 | 11:22 PM
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At my club, if your caught drinking or flying intoxicated, your pretty much asked to leave and not come back
Its not even allowed on the property
Old 09-27-2009 | 11:35 PM
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Iwas going over a couple photo albums from our club's past. Seems that a barbecue and open bar was the order of the day after flying. Of course stopping off after work for a couple with the guys was quite common back then also. If moderation rules, and after flying beer with the guys wouldn't be bad. The trouble is that moderation doesn't alway rule, so the no drrinking rule is a good choice.

When I was still in high school, I used to do a lot of target practice with my 22 single shot. As much as I could do when buyning shells by picking up pop bottles from the ditches for money. One day, I decided to snag a beer from my dad and see how that affected my shooting. 10 for 10 in the bulls eye before the beer and 8 for 10 off the target completly after. I think that kind of sums up the effect that a drink or two can have on you. An flying a nitro plane requires a bit more motor skills plinking a target with a 22.

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Yes, I'm finishing off my second glass of wine after dinner, and no, I can't spell. Anytime.

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Old 09-27-2009 | 11:43 PM
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So far I have had a beer after flying once. It's just not something I want to do. I have no club and no real field either but I do have to drive my van and get on the High Way to drive home. Not that a beer is any big deal but if I was to get pulled over for any reason, beer breath could be a lot more trouble then the pleasuer a cold one at the end of the day would bring. Chuck, most of the gun clubs in central Calif. sell beer???
Old 09-27-2009 | 11:44 PM
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I've been to helicopter and plane fun flies at several location around the country. The standard rule was that if you were flying at the event on that particular day
then you cannot drink beer during the event.

No drinking and flying. I was not a problem with beer at the event as long as the people doing the flying wasn't doing the drinking.
Old 09-28-2009 | 02:39 AM
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I think it's okay as long as you're not inebreated. I know that I can handle a few pints and stay safe, but the rule does have to apply to everyone so overall drinking + flying = an accident waiting to happen. However going to a pub after flying (with designated driver of course) = win!!!

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We don't even allow alcohol beverages at the fields. Both of our fields are on public owned property. The NJ Forestry owns one and the county owns the other. Both stated in our "charter" that we could not allow alcohol on the property at any time. So, it just isn't done in our club.

Besides, alcohol is ok as a fuel, but not a good mixer with those rotating swords so close to your body parts.

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Old 09-28-2009 | 06:26 AM
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I think it's okay as long as you're not inebreated. I know that I can handle a few pints and stay safe
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A few pints!!!!!!! Brings BAC about 1.3 Well over the limit in Michigan. BAC .08 to be legally impaired in MI.
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I think it's okay as long as you're not inebreated. I know that I can handle a few pints and stay safe

A few pints!!!!!!! Brings BAC about 1.3 Well over the limit in Michigan. BAC .08 to be legally impaired in MI.
Like so many things, it all depends. Modern beers have increased in strength. It's not unusual to get beers approaching 6% alcohol by volume, so unless you're a giant, 2 of those will have you well above 80mG alcohol per 100mL of blood if you drink them within an hour. And that seems to be the magic number in most countries outside Scandiwegia.

It's implicitly assumed here that we're talking IC engined "normal" R/C aircraft. i agree that flying such a model with alcohol in your system would be unadvisable, but at the BMFA Nationals, there was a lot of flying of foamies in the hangar of an evening, by people who were very, very drunk; and it was very very funny. And all supervised by the Marshals.


Old 09-28-2009 | 07:25 AM
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Not very body was drinking ( me and my club member including), werent. I'm not gonna say the forum cause some of ya'll might belong to it. Overall it was very nice, amazing flying, great people, all who were haveing a good time. What do ya'll think of drinking and flying.
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Old 09-28-2009 | 08:26 AM
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We've got some members who are hard chargers, but NEVER at the field. No alcohol allowed, no exceptions. After flying the group may move into town to drink and jaw.

There's just too many opportunities for accidents. Most of us don't need any encumberances on our motor skills for sure!
Old 09-28-2009 | 08:40 AM
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Drinking and driving aint so bad, its the drinking and walking that gets me off balance.;-)
Old 09-28-2009 | 09:01 AM
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Its just a bad idea. Never mind just crashing, If someone was to get SERIOUSLY hurt, and it was to become public knowledge.... 1) You'd have even more of the public against the planes because of the danger, 2) You would give fliers a bad rap and we would be considered a danger to the public as well for being irresponsible.

At my club we fly close to a kid's football field. ALL of the kids love us and the shows we put on for them. SOME of the parents are a different story. We make very certain that we fly responsibly and in control when there are games being played. To them we are a dangerous hazard. Last season they would go as far as lie and tell the town that members would be flying over their field and in a dangerous manner. If alcohol was ever found we'd be shut down for sure.

We represent the hobby and public perception is very important. EVen if no one is watching, something could happen where you are forced to bring outsiders in, and all they will see is the aftermath of a bad accident. In this case its better to play it safe. Here in the north east, flying fields are very hard to come by this close to NYC.
Old 09-28-2009 | 09:26 AM
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I belonged to a club of beer drinkers. After they lost a flying site due to drinking, they became a bunch of teetotlers.
Old 09-28-2009 | 09:30 AM
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As with most of you, it is forbidden at our field, and would be dealt with pretty harshly. We are also on State property, and do not want to risk being evicted.

Plus, it's just a really stupid thing to do.
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In my opinion, this is not a subject that is open to debate. Drinking alcohol impairs judgement and reflexes. Period. No matter what amount, a slight amount, being under the "legal limit" doesn't even count. That limit has been set by politicians and has often been subjected to concern that "zero tolerance" is what is best when it comes to driving.

Well, I think that RC flying and alcohol are a perfect example for a "zero tolerance" policy. Things happen to fast both on the ground and in the air to allow something to impair both judgement and reflexes, and alcohol does just that, regardless of the amount taken.

Save it for after the flying day is over and keep it away from the fields. It just isn't the place for it.

I'm by no means a prude, and I do drink, on occasion. But NEVER before or during RC flying.

I was a competitive shooter, and did quite well at it, I might add. One thing that was made very clear to all of us before we even got close to a pistol OR ammunition, was that gunpowder and alcohol do not mix! Period! The same attitude should prevail with RC flying. Even casual drinking, "Oh, I'll just have a beer or two" is causal.

As I said, this is just my opinion, but I believe a vast majority of RC pilots will join in with the same feelings. Do you casual or serious drinking after you are finished for the day and have shut down. Whether or not that should take place at the field is a club policy.

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Old 09-28-2009 | 10:18 AM
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Agreed, it isn't even debatable.
Old 09-28-2009 | 10:42 AM
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It's all about moderation and self control.....

RC flying requires more skill than does driving an automobile, but for someone with experience it can be done after consuming a couple of brews.

I don't advocate it, I wouldn't tell someone it's a good idea....but I also won't take the teetotaler approach to life (which is generally annoying)

Contrary to what teetotalers would like everyone to believe...people can mesh a little alcohol and activity and still be responsible and reasonable about it.

But the rules are the rules. I'd rather not see any accidents associated with drinking and operating RC Airplanes. Besides...the forest preserve cops will ticket you for alcohol on Forest Preserve grounds...
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This is what the LAW says
Section 34 of Chapter 62, Laws of 1933 (RCW 66.44.100) prohibiting the opening of packages containing liquor or consuming of liquor in a public place, except as provided by the Liquor Act, has not been repealed, either expressly or by implication.

NOW think about it !!! If any one drinks in public places are breaking the law !!!! :-)) Hence, You can simply call the police.

Sorry guys a few words of advice from a lawyer.

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