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I have the aerobird challenger, and i can fly it very well. I have been looking into my second plane, and i really need some advise. I am debating beetween 5 different airplanes. I have narrowed it down a little, but i am going to give you the whole list. Please give me your feedback!

The radio i am getting is the jr 6102.

1. wattage cessna 182- This plane is my dream plane. It has a plastic fuse, but balsa wing and tail. Again, this plane would be my prized posetion, and i would love it like a pet!:D I am against getting it for my second plane, becase i want more experience befor i fly my dream plane.:D It will probably be my 3rd plane. I am going to be flying one on a trainer cord soon.

http://www.globalhobby.com/public/wa...ery/128393.asp

Conclusion-proboly not 2nd plane, but maybe 3rd.

2. Ultrafly cessna
I think that this would be a good plane for me. It is made of foam. I am holding back, because WHEN ( :D ) i get the wattage 182, i would have 2 cessnas! Rather have a variety!

http://www.ultraflymodel.com/airplanes/ufla1000.html


Conclusion-maybe, but i would want a variety of planes, not 2 cessnas.


3. wattage corsir-This corsair is made for beginers. 3ch. It is plastic, and spare parts can be ordered. My instructor/friend is saying that i should get this plane. I would get the ARF version for 36 smackaroes.

http://www.globalhobby.com/public/wa...ery/128316.asp

conclusion- defiantly a possibility


4-hobby lobby stinson voyager-

This is a foam plane. 4ch. I am 75% convinced on this plane, and i think it would be a good transition to the cessna from wattage.

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/stinson.htm

conclusion-probably

Please give me your feedback. I appreciate it!:D:D[8D][8D]:D:);)[8D]:):D

thank you!

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Well you have my opinion of your choices. I am certain others will also provide their opinions. I would suggest doing a search on the Corsair though and find out exactly how "interesting" they are to fly AND the expertise level normally required for this plane.

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why are you buying a new computer radio, and then using it on some 3 channel foamie? that seems like a waste of money to me....If you're getting a new radio, get a nice plane to go with it. Maybe something like the four star or tiger 2. If it's electric you want, tiger 2 comes as electric as well...

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i have the corsair and i'm not going to recommend it unless you are going to upgrade the batteries. i have the RTF version as a test of my ability to make crappy planes fly and i although i did make it fly... it wasn't any good with the stock 7 cell mah battery. with a 3S lipo it was humming along but still nothing to whopee about. the plane is grossly overweight with that plastic fuse.

if you really want a nice plane... i'm going to recommend the following planes from www.airborne-models.com (world models).

clipped wing cub E
Prambler EP
cessna skylane EP

i have flown the first two and they are great scale flyers. they haven't converted me from glow but they are great. i'd recommend a 20A esc and at least a 8-cell pack. i used a 3S2P and throtted down for a while and it was great. the CWC now has a outrunner brushless, jeti brushless esc and lipo's.

although nothing beats a glow in my opinion. my rambler 30 with O.S.52 is just awesome.

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you guys are forgeting something. I am coming from the AEROBIRD! I can't fly some of those planes! The reason that i am getting a nice radio is that i am 13, and i want a radio that i can use for a long time! The stinson is fome, 4 channel. After that, i wan't to make a collection of general aviation planes. Electric. what do you think about the stinson?

i don't want to get a nice scale plane, until i learn to fly better on a cheaper plane.

does this sound right?[&o]

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2slow to matter-could you give me a link to those planes?

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Goldberg Tiger - Electric
http://www.carlgoldbergproducts.com/tiger400.htm

Eagle electric trainer
http://www.carlgoldbergproducts.com/eagle400.htm

3D capable electric plane
http://www.carlgoldbergproducts.com/12087.htm

All are four channel planes.

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personally i like balsa planes becuase i know how to repair them. i've repaired my foamies as well but they alway look like they just got salvaged from the dumpster. with balsa and monokote planes, you can almost always repair them to look new again.

the stinson seems like a nice little plane... four channels is definitely a move in the right direction... but i'd seriously consider the airborne-model cessna skylane ep...

by the way... stinson is also a scale plane. the review on hobby lobby is glowing, though... makes me want to get one! :)

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repairing foamys: all you need to do is glue sand and then paint

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that's if there is no crushed areas. steaming, boiling... i have a foamies that even a mother couldn't love :-)

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how hard is it to repair balsa? and how do you do it?

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You cutout all the damaged wood and useing the damaged parts as templeates splice in new pieces and by the time you get it covered you won't be able to see where it was repaired

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Thanks for all your replys!:D

what do you think about the stinson voyager? If you don't recomend it, than what do you recomend.
I don't want to go strate to a NICE scale plane right away, bease i want to learn on an eisier plane.

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Also, what do you think about the 2 goldberg planes. (not the 3d one) The eagle 400 sounds cool!

For my second plane, what do you think about brushed, or brushless?

Also, please keep in mind that i need all of these planes to be small enough to be a park flyer.

I am now considering the 2 goldburg planes.
I think that the corsair, ultrafly cessna, and the wattage cessna are out of the question for 2nd plane, but the wattage cessna is probably going to come soon.

so, here is stands!

Hobbylobby voyager
Eagle 400
tiger 400

what is your recomedation, or thoughts? I am not looking for an aerobatic plane. Just a stable plane that will do what i want it to do.:D

thanks!

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well zach, you dont give us any options DO YOU! i mean the only real parkflyer in your choices is the Stinson Voyager... go with that one, zach... i'm sure you'll be happy with it.

in terms of brushed or brushless... this is a whole new thread! i'd say it depends on your budget. if you can afford it (meaning that you can see yourself using this JUST for the voyager because you might be moving up a notch next time OR you think that you'll stay at parkflyer for a long time so you can re use this equipment) then go brushless. i have a motor similar to the hobby-lobby MP outrunner brushless (the red one) and a jeti brushless controller and 11.1V3S2P. it pulls my CWC cub very well. total cost was around $200 with 2 batteries. not cheap. but sooooo much nicer (and lighter) than a similar brushed set up. i'd recommend it to anyone!

of course the brushed setup is less than half the price.

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thanks forestroke. THe place that i will usually fly at is bigger than a "park". I'd say that you could fit 2 football fields on it. So the two 400 planes are two big to fly there. The vidio looked like it went pretty slow...........

You said that i wasn't giving u many options. If you have something elso two recomend, please do!:D

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Congratulations on mastering the Aerobird Zack. If you can master that, you can fly anything!.
The Voyager looks a bit small. I would vote for the Ultrafly Cessna 182. It's big enough to be seen at "3 mistakes" altitude and will handle better on the ground and in the air. With such a light wing loading it will be very fun on a windless day and be less prone to damage in a sudden stop. I also like that it can grow with you by adding the ailerons and flaps. You will really enjoy those!

BTW- The 6102 is a good choice too.

Good luck,
Mark

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the ultrafly is a good choice. i've seen many of these flying here. if you want a small step up, you can consider a hitec skyscooter. they fly much faster than the aerobird and can do aileron/elevator aerobatics.

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thank you for your reply! I am considering the ultrafly, but i am getting the wattage cesswna anyway, next. Could you please tell me if the eagle and tiger planes could fly in a large park? thanks!

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* cessna

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Both of the goldberg planes would do well in a large park and you can't go wrong with Carl Goldberg anything. Great company! They are both "speed 400" size which is a good "park flyer" size. They will handle a little wind much better than the aerobird. As a scale enthusist I'm glad you want to build up a scale fleet and with the ARF's these days you can do it without the time investment. I would however recommend staying with a high wing aircraft for now. High wing aircraft are more forgiving (they last longer). When you master ailerons and basic aerobatics then get a low wing aircraft and bore holes in the sky!

Mark

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i wouldn't recommend it. they are trainers that should be flown at a club's flying field. i wouldn't take the risk. plus, i think it may not be allowed. i would rather see you get a real park flyer like the ultrafly or wattage.

i'd go for the skyscooter if i were you... sounds like you'd enjoy it most.

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Thanks everybody! I am leaning tword eather the high wing 400, or the ultrafly cessna. You have all been a great help! I am sure that i could fly both of them were i fly. It IS alowed, and it is much bigger than a park.

My friend has succesfult flown the wattage cessna, wattage corsair, scale corsair from "great planes, A p-47 thunderbolt, scale, and an electric glider that has a wingspan of over 6 feet, and the grouper monsun.recently a scale corsair with a wingspan a 51/2 feet, and is going to fly it there. It is a big field.

with the high winged 400, should i put a brushless trer? I am only 13, so i have a limited amount of money. I Am going to put one in the watttage cessna.

I have heard that the non-interchangable parts are the servoes. But the reciecer, and speed controller can, right? what about the engine?

thanks!

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what?

limited funds? then not brushless. but i'd invest in a good charger that could charge lipo's. there's not much you can reuse unless ou go with a similar weight plane. luckily the motor is usually included in the kit. the reciever can be reused if only it's the same frequency and shift (i doubt you'll find them the same). also, the electronic speed control (ESC) and batteries will likely be too small for the goldberg. in fact the only thing you might be able to reuse is the SERVOS!

wattage corsair... many people say they suck. i have one and wouldn't recommend it over say a GWS or a Alphamodels. i wouldn't spend good money on a plane like that. that's like putting a ferrari engine into a dodge stratus.

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I am only going to be flying park flyers for a long time, most with the same engine, spiner, prop: so what i think is:

I have two planes, both park flyers.
I have the servoes in, and i don't ever take them out.
Also, the engine stays in all the time.
But.. at the field, if i have both my planes, i fly one, and then take out the riecever/esc, and put it in the other plane, in less than 10 minets.

Right![:o]

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I agree with fourstroke except with the JR 6102 radio you can switch out the receiver between ten different aircraft no problem. You select which aircraft you want to fly on the transmitter. Since you are on limited funds, consider an ARF that includes a motor. (fuel power is an engine and electric is a motor) They are practically free and they work fine. The downside is the ESC will only work with other brushed motors. If you decide to go brushless then you will need a brushless type ESC. You could setup a high amp micro switch one servo for motor ON/OFF control and then use that servo later.

Sometimes it's cheaper to spend a little extra up front and buy once. Brushless is definitely better.

So to sum up-
If you are really low on funds, and want to fly NOW, go brushed with ON/OFF motor control or an inexpensive "brushed" ESC.

If you want the best that will last a long time and you'll have a smile on your face the whole time, get a brushless outrunner motor and a good high amp (25A) "brushless" ESC, LiPos and a good LiPo charger.

Whatever you do, do invest in LiPo power. It is the future of our hobby.

Good luck,
Mark

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i agree with sir fliesalot on the 6102 rx. i was actually referring to the aerobird rx not being reusable with the 6102.

and i didn't even think of the on/off esc!

anyway... i LOVE direct drive outrunner brushless... it is also the wave of the future.

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I have been in your precise situation. Buy a Mountain Models Magpie. Get the two-wing kit, so you can fly it as a three-channel, or as a four-channel with ailerons. I went from the Challenger to the Magpie, and I love it. You can't go wrong with the plane, and the folks who sell them are really nice as well.

http://www.mountainmodels.com/magpie.php



Ray out

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thanks everybody! i have been reaserching, and talking to a lot of people, and i think that the eagl 400 is the plane for me. I am sure that i can fly it with a little help from my instructor on a trainer cord!

I am definatly going Lipo. I have been looking at chargers, and i found the Hobbico quick field charger. Is that way that it works, that you charge the charger, and then take i to the field, and i can charge batterys without pluging it in? I hope that that is the way that it works!

I also see that it is dc, but my parents won't let me use their cars to charge. I was thinking that there must be a ac/dc adapter!

Brushed vs. brushless. I will be putting brushless in my nice scales, like the wattaage cessna, or grouper monsun. I was thinking that i would try the suplied 400 moter, and if that dosn't work(short flight times, too noisy, heavy) i could change to brushless. What i mean by noisy is i fly only onth weekends, at around 7 in the morning, when it is not windy. I ride my bike 2 miles to the middle shool. There are some houses, so i don't want them to complain, and then i would be kicked off the field! I am gong to be using kokam 1500 Mah, 7.2v, 2 cell batterys. I will use an esc.

again, thanks for your replys. what do u think about the charger, ect, and tips!

thanks!


oh yay. I was thinking.... when i get my 3rd plane, i will have 2 planes that have my electronics installed. I am not going to touh the servoes, or engine, but i will be moving the reciever from plane to plane.

what about the esp? what if i soughtered some wire from the engine, then put a deans, and soughtered the opposite deans on the esp, then i could swithch that from plane to plane, right?

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my instructor said that he would sell me a brushless moter/esp, for 25 dollars. O wuld prbably use it on the cesna though. I wouldn't risk puting it on the the eae 400.

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if your instructor will take you on the buddy box, then i don't see why you would not want to put on the brushless setup. just make sure that the brushless is fit for the trainer. you can ask your instructor his suggestion. $25 is cheaper than cheap and may not be enough power for the trainer. what kind of brushless and controller?

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the esp is a 25a, and the engine is a engine that he says is equal to a speed 400. The reason why he is selling it to me so cheap is he knows that my airplane hobby is living of my 8 dollar a week alownace!:) anyway, could you please tell me if i could soughter a deans from the engine, and then one from the Esp, so the ESP could be interchanged throughout my collection of planes, when tht happens.

(i can't wait!):)

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you could solder the deans for the brushed motor to the esc. but you can't use a deans for the brushless to brushless controller since there are three leads. but i'm sure you can find another way to make it also reusable for other planes.

anyway, nice guy... $25 for a brushless and controller is a bargain. personally, since he says that it's 400 size, i'd just go for the brushless/lipo set up from the beginning and just fly it with the instructor for a while. usually 400 size brushless is significantly more powerful than its brushed counter part, which is very nice when you're a beginner.

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U am going to look in to how i can make the esp reusable for other planes, bit i thougt that i saw it conected with a dea ns....... i'll ask him when i can.

say that i went with a brushless setup for the eagle 400. what diferences would i feel?
i was worried about the brushless setup becasue
1. I would probably take it out when i get the cessna.
2, what if i lose it before i get the

cessna!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

also, if the bruhless setup could power the eagle 400, could it power the wattage cessna 182?

thanks

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of course... the wattage cessna shouldn't be a problem.

the deans do have a 3 prong plug but its for small brushless motors with loads up to 10A not 25A! anyway, i'm sure you'll find a good way to deal with it.

and about moving the motor, you're right. once you convert your plane to brushless, particularly outrunner types, it's hard to go back to brushed since the mounting is usually quite different. but once again, i'm sure if your instructor says it good and he's experienced, it's all good!

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Thanks forestroke. How does the quick field charger work?

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i don't have any experience with the field charger. i use a kokam handy 2 smart charger that i picked up in korea and i love it. charges everything including 1-4 lipos.

if you're asking if you can use a 12V dry cell you can. however, understand that if you do, you also have to get a charger for that and always remember to charge it before the day.

for home use, see if you can find an old laptop adapter that your father doesn't want and see if the voltage is 12V, many of them are. if that's the case, you can use that adapter to power your charger when you are at home.

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well.......... I ordered the eagle 400, and the jr 6102, and i am going to pick it up at the LHS this sat!:D:D:D I'll tell you how it goes,

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Hi Zach,

You invited me to the conversaiton, so let me throw in my 2 cents.

JR 6102 - Excellent choice IF you can get it with light servos
and receiver. I believe there is a package that comes that way.
Othwise the servos and receiver will be too big and heavy for
most of the planes you are considering.

Now, you know I also started on an Aerobird and still fly it
all the time in additon to all my other parkies, gliders, slopers and DLG.

I left the Stinsen because of the planes you listed that is the one I like best.

If you are going Lipo, now is a good time to do it before
you develop a large inventory of NIMH or NICD packs.
The Aerobird packs can be used in other planes, so do take
that into consideration. I have used them in several myself.

From a battery pack point of view I have standardized on two
connectors, The little red BEC/GWS style connector for under
5 amps and the Deans ultra for all others. This way I can swap
packs between planes easily. Makes it easy to have the right
charger adapter as well.


As for planes - let me give you a few more to consider.
I am assuming you will be getting the JR radio, so no RTFs on this list.


These are 3 channel planes that have ailerons. Lots of fun, one less servo needed

Multiplex Space Scooter - ARF
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXGZV4&P=7
Video
http://www.bungymania.com/videos/fil..._sun_stunt.wmv

Zagi XS - ARF
http://zagi.com/index.php?main_page=...&products_id=1
Video page
http://www.zagi.com/index.php?main_p...812dbc8b76c42f


IFO - Easy to build kit
Demo at the 2000 Tournament of Champions
http://www.wildrc.com/htmlpages/movies/toc2000.mpg
Flying Combat in a gym
http://www.wildrc.com/htmlpages/movies/mk3combat.mpg


FOUR CHANNEL AILERON TRAINERS
These planes introduce the full set of flight controls consisting of
ailerons/elevator/rudder/throttle. They are a logical next step for the
pilot who wants to take their flying skills to full 4 channel control. All of
these planes can perform aerobatics, but are primarily designed as 4 channel
trainers with high wing designs . This makes them easier to fly but less
aerobatic than the mid or low wing planes. ARF & Kits
You can use your JR to do rudder to aileron mixing, flapperons,
flapperon to elevator mixing and other cool stuff


Mountain Models has a large number of very easy to build kits. Many have
two wings, a slow fly 3 channel wing and a 4 channel aileron wing. Why not have both?


Magpie - with both wing kits - $55
Easy to build Foam kit -
Has trainer wing AND and aileron sport wing
Master the first, then advance to the second.
http://www.mountainmodels.com/magpie.php
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...51#post3502851
Video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/Magpie.wmv

SmoothE - $50
Easy to build Balsa and foam
4 channel aileron trainer
http://www.mountainmodels.com/smoothe.php
Funny video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/SmoothEsmall.WMV

Mountain Models Dandy Sport - $45
http://www.mountainmodels.com/dandysport.php
Complete Package $155
Video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/ds1.wmv

GWS E-starter 400 - Simple Foam Kit - $50
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_inf...roducts_id=551
Available as a ARF complete package kit with radio - $150
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_inf...roducts_id=611

GWS Tiger Moth 400 - Simple Foam Kit - $70
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_inf...roducts_id=203
Complete kit including Radio - $175
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_inf...roducts_id=658
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=345
http://67.18.81.100/rcuvideos/magazi...345/TM400m.wmv


Multiplex Magister ARF - $110
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXGZV2&P=ML
This plane is much larger than the others
Close to a .40 glow trainer in size
Review
http://www.smoothair.ca/reviews/Magister/magister.htm
Video - This is not with the standard motor
this plane has an upgraded brushless motor
http://plawner.net/video/magister_funday.wmv


So, now you have more to look at.

Not a bad plane in the bunch so you can decide which look good, or go with the Stinsen, or something else. Enjoy! Enjoy!

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OOPS!

Missed your last post. You already ordered the Eagle 400. Looks like a nice plane. I am sure you will do very well with it.

I will state the obvious. This plane is not going to take the abuse the Aerobird took, but I am sure you knew that.

I would order at least 2 extra props and a prop saver, if they offer one. You WILL break a prop, and they are cheap, so might as well get at least 1, and I suggest 2.

Do you have CA? I would make sure you have some medium and some thin CA. Somewhere you are going to break something and CA is what you use to fix balsa planes. I like ZAP brand.

Tears in the covering can be patched with clear packing tape or scotch tape for small tears.

Hopefully you will never need the props, the CA and the tape. Forget that!

You are going to have a ball! And make sure you keep the Aerobird in good flying condition. No reason to restrict yourself to one plane. My Aerobird lives in my car and comes to the field with me every time. It is also great to get friends hooked and when you do, the Aerobird becomes your air to air combat plane, your bomb drop plane and your night flite plane with the X modules.

The Eagle will be your pretty plane, your aerobatic trainer and your growth plane.

Then you can move on to something else after that!!

Fast? Flying wing?

Glider perhaps ( I love mine!)

Maybe a 3D foamie