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Can't be said better than this, Cubs and buddies boxes means only the instructor is flying that day. NiMH 2400 mah batteries can give you over four hours of receiver life, or a backup switch device and a second receiver battery from Tower is what I use as insurance, especially should a battery fail or disconnect, that $45 device saves planes. Here's the link:

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXAFM9&P=7

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hi have you thought about building a spad?,theyre cheap and fly great and also practicaly unbreakable have a look on the spad forums and look for some plans on how to build one theres loads to choose from!!also spadtothebone.com has free plans and great advice .flying one of these things will take all the fear away as you cant break these things they bounce!!!.at least thats what they say!!,im currently building a dps for a 46 engine but you can build em any size for any engine from say a 15 up!!.not bad for £10 but i know its cheaper over there for you guys so just think for the same price as a normal balsa kit you could build ten spads or more!!!.

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A spad usually doesn't work well as a trainer with some exceptions. the idea of those being extremely durable is true. As a good intermediate choice, I've purchased several from rgagnon here on RCU. He even has a video online of him flying one. They are superior in wing design and balance to others I've seen. He uses 2mm coroplast for a lightweight .25 version you'd be amazed how stable it is in flight, at any speed.

http://www.engine-display.com/produc...l-aircraft.htm

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It is yellow in color!

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And? did you see it in the online video? Excellent flyer for half a balsa kit, and this is a ARF.

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Its going to be fine with the cub. Gonna continue to fly the LT-40 primarily for my continued training. Going to mix the cub in here and there until I get the hang of it...and if I crash it, I am not going to lose a wink of sleep over it. Thats the reason I bought the thing in the first place....its cheap...its an ARF...and I am putting a bunch of my spare parts into it.

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laugh i nearly fell off my chair lol,there are loads of spad trainers that fly just as well as balsa ones!!,the debonair is an exellent one with no vices you can also build a wing with no dehederal and a presto you have a sports plane!!ive read nothing but great things about this plane and after seeing one fly i can say this plane is a fantastic trainer!!.

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Dude, get what you want, fly it like you want, enjoy it and don't take anything most people say on this board for too much.

I've flown that plane, a buddy has one...it flies like a trainer, its not true scale...the wingspan is a little longer than scale and definatly wider front to back...short of one during a messed up deadstick, i havent seen it stall at all...

Everyone here wants to tell everyone to take baby steps...which, for them, may be the right thing, but then they get all bent if someone refuses to yeild to their amazing advice...

The thing is, the reason alot of people like to fly is the rush...and a big part of that rush is knowing that you can crash...the more the risk, the more the rush...its natural...

I learned to fly with a Stryker, after everyone said it was NOT a first plane....well...In 4 months ive crashed twice, first time i flew into the sun and lost it....the second time my battery fell out in a roll...both times i was back in the air within minutes...and even if i did trash it...i could rebuild everything but the controller for about 50 bux....no big loss

Im not saying that everyone is going to pick the this up quick....what I am saying, is that everyone needs to change the way they give advice...Stop assuming that the person asking is at the lowest skill level possible, clarify things before you give advice...

The argument is always, they get ahead and crash, they wont want to buy again and will leave the hobby...but on the flipside, they get a dummy plane and are bored, they put it away and might not buy another because they dont see the other stuff, or cant afford to buy 10 planes to get to a decent one...

And krosypal, I know your intentions were good and you probably didnt mean it, but thanks to the fact that text doesnt hold emotion too well, you came off as very rude in your posts....I read them a couple of times...and I can see that you really didnt mean to come off that way...but the first time through, they seemed very harsh...

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did i miss something i cant remember telling anyone to take baby steps!! he asked for advice on a cheap plane that he didnt mind crashing!!.i told him of a way to get one,i wish id gone the spad route rather than a balsa trainer were not all made of money so id rather keep my planes in one piece as long as possible .not easy when your learning!!!

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martno1fan, wasnt really directed at you...yours was a much more productive response (even though some, myself included, dont really like spads...but thats just preference) ...

The ones im talking about are the "that plane is too advanced...." without knowing their true skill level....

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thats ok then;),dont worry ive had all that myself i learnt on a tutor 40 all by myself:D.to be honest im still learning lol i was just telling him its cheaper to crash a spad ie no damage if you do hardly anyway wher as crashing his cub could do this!![img][/img]this is what happened to me last month and its taken some time and no little skill to get it to this!![img][/img].in my humble opinion its better to have a cheap airplane that flies well that can take abuse rather than smash into peices like mine did costing me a few quid in the process too lol[>:].

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I'll take credit for encouraging "baby steps". 500 million years of vertibrate evolution has proven it to be the best system of starting out when you're new at something.

Yes, you can learn to fly with a hot P-51

Yes, you can eventually go from a cheezy S.P.A.D. to a plane that flies on the wing instead of just the engine.

Yes, you can crash 'em and walk away with 75% of your investment still intact (the airframe is only 25% of the value of most R/C set-ups).


But, sometimes it's good to have someone tell you to not move the prop on an engine after a "figure 9" until the carb has been flushed of dirt so you don't ruin the cylinder/sleeve (which can cost as much as a new engine).

But, some clubs will (rightly) boot your butt out if you crash often and are unrepentant. That's just dangerous.

But, a S.P.A.D. wil lget you bad habits that will cost you "real" planes if you don't compensate. When the engine dies at take off on a scale bird and you have a background of jumping a S.P.A.D. into the air, you're in a world of hurt and re-kitted balsa because you have no idea how to prevent a stall.

But, sometimes you want to advance, and being self taught you don't know jack until you figure it out by trial and error. That's darned expensive in this hobby. Lots of dead ends, lots of gear ends up in garage sales because frustration won over bullheadedness. I was self taught 25 years ago, but not well. And that was comming off years of free-flight and control-line. I gave up and sold everything. I got back into it in my second childhood and found an instructor with a buddy box. WORLD of difference. Getting help or just talking to other fliers teaches you things you never dreamed of. Different approaches to improve engine performance and flying equipment/methods. The self-taught have only one viewpoint . . . and that's looking up from the bottom.

I guess I'm just a dinosaur from the time when airplanes needed wings and horsepower couldn't make up for technique. Some of us here made a lot of costly and painful blunders and we are freely offering tips on how you can avoid them. If you're the personality type that needs to go your own way and make your own mistakes, fine. You can torque roll the box the plane came in for all I care. Just don't belittle those that ask and those that try and answer. Some people appreciate a variety of viewpoints to absorb . . . not just their own.

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its obviouse to me you havent seriously looked at the spads or you would realise they have come a long way!!they flie just as well as any other plane if you choose the right one take a look at some and tell me im wrong;)!!

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Charlie...I agree with you on most points...good advice is good advice...

My main point, was that when you give good advice, don't take it personally and come back hatefull if they say they arent going to take your advice...thats all.

For most people...they will take baby steps...I am lucky...I am literally as close to a natural pilot as you can be...the first time i held a TX it was in my lhs on a sim (G3) ... in 5 minutes I was doing low inverted passes, full inverted circuits...etc... now i know the sim isnt real...and cant really teach you...but to me the controls have been natural from the first time i picked them up....so I have jumped in...

And just as a note of where im at on the scale...im at the bottom, i havent soled on my nexstar yet, but thats because ive only gotten a chance to fly it twice...and the second time I was told i could have soloed if we had more light left...new job, new car...things piled up and i havent got to the feild in a while...thats why i bought the stryker...i take it to work with me and fly on a lunch break...

I am by no means a pro, or an expert...and im not trying to give advice that i havent earned the right to give, im just saying when you give advice, just respect the other persons right to follow or not follow it...and leave it at that...its not personall when someone doesnt take you advice..

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bryris - i just want to say that people that responded to the post were trying to help. its just that they thought you hadn't made up your mind yet. but in rereading your original post, it's clear that you weren't really asking if we recommended it but rather what we thought of it. in fact, you probably already ordered it!

but more importantly, the cub. while i understand the love of your trainer, i am concerned about the way you are approaching the cub. while it is true that it may be less expensive that your other plane, please be careful with it all the same. it is still a deadly weapon if you can't fly it. i know there will be a great temptation to fly without the buddy box and i'm sure you will within a few times. just remember, unless you can crash it where you want to (then you just shouldn't have!) a crash can hurt more than just your plane.

i love cubs and have the same size cub in a WM Cub .26, which is really the best looking small cub i've seen.

1. be gentle with the throttle, nailing it could send you into loop
2. use elevator on taxi and slow roll, looping thing again
3. take off into the wind as much as possible, ground looping thing again
4. be ready with the rudder, ground looping again
5. ...AND elevator (depending on how much downthrust you have on your cub), your prop could come on the asphalt
6. learn to coordinate turns
7. land as much into the wind as possible
8. taxi with the elevator up

the global version is decent though the landing gear isn't too scale. this is mine...