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A bunch of us was out flying today. I was flying my kit built 4 Star 0n it`s 12th flight when a guy unloads his planes. One of my flying buddies tells him that we both have the same channels . Right in front of the guys he turns his radio on an locks my radio out. I yell who in f#$% is on 22 and I look over my shoulder and the guys running to the car trying to hide his radio. He swears he did`nt turn on his radio all the while the guys are saying you did to we just saw you do it. Then the guy drags his other radio out that I have the posted on the freq broad and starts messing with that.
Thats when I explained to him how hard it would be to go to the bathroom , after I rearranged his body parts. I really wanted a piece of this guy. But I`m proud of myself , I torn my planes down , loaded up the truck and left the guy with all his body parts intact.
There is a bright side, guess I`m not his first victim and he pulled this in front of the wrong people this time.
I realize mistakes happen, believe me I pulled my share of boners, but I own my mistakes . If I had done that to a fellow flyer , I would have felt knee high to a grasshopper.
I catch a lot of crap on here , because I believe in following the rules. But if he had followed the rules , I would`nt be out a 500 dollar airplane and he would still be a member in good standing.
Thanks for letting me vent, I`m better now lol . I`m still trying to figure out how a big burly guy like me , fells so bad about losing my toy plane. You would`nt believe how good that plane flew. Wonder if thats why ARF`s are so popular ?

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Because they are yours and you have the right to get ticked even if they are a simple paper airplane.

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LOL your right ! The papers easy to find, but the paper clip for balnce can be a problem. And landing gear just don`t seem to go with this plane.

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Wow, I can't imagine somebody being such an ignorant A55 that they shoot down another pilot like that! If your friends told him you were on his channel and he turned his radio on anyway, you're a better Christian than me if he got away unscathed.

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What I can't believe is that he didn't want to come clean about it. Mistakes happen, and that's where personal responsibility comes in. People make really bizarre choices at times.

Last Saturday I was out at the field, and it was a particularly busy day for us. Six of us were flying (yeah, that's busy) and a few more were just there. One of the older fellows has a helicopter, and absolutely no common sense. A few years ago we were on the same frequency, and I switched all of my stuff once I found that out. This guy has poor judgment, and I didn't want to deal with that potential situation. Anyway, that Saturday I was flying, and he decides to fly his helicopter. He can't do anything more than hover, and chooses to do so at the approach end of the active runway! We have two very wide runways. I walked over and suggested that he move to the end of the inactive runway, where we could be sure there wouldn't be any chance of any problems. He wanted to argue about it! I told him to move it in no uncertain terms, and instead he walked back to the pits and waited until I was done. Simple, simple common sense and courtesy seem to be in short supply at times!

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That totally sucks. You're definitely a bigger person than I am.

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Gosh, I hope you don't "accidently"[>:] do the same to him next weekend. Yeah, I'm capable of revenge. Now if he had simply appologized it would be over, but...............

If your club doesn't ban him they can't touch you.

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I've had someone accidentally turn on on the same channel while I was flying but they turned it off immediately after I yelled. They came up and sincerely apologized afterward too. If I were that guy, I would offer to do whatever I could to get you a new plane and any gear that got damaged. Trying to deny it is just stupid.

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Robbie,

Sorry you had to run into such a stupid son of a gun. That really sucks. Are there many dark alleys in your neck of the woods? A guy like that should be banned!

I fly at a small field without a freq. board. And this is always a worry of mine. Even though there are only about 3-5 guys that use the field regularly. And we all know each others equipment. I worry about the time we get a visitor and you don't know his equip.

Sorry again,

Del

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Bruce,

I can understand doing that for revenge but my luck would land the guys plane at the picnik table with spectators. (But it is a great thought)

Del

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It was suggest to me but, it would gain nothing , but to bring myself down to his level. I`m human and the thought did crossed my mind just for a sec. I`d feel worse about myself for being like him.

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Then go with the dark alley idea.

:):)

Del

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LOL I perfer to see the whites of thier eyes, but a Judge said I cound`nt play like that any more.
I fly with a great bunch but no matter where you go , you run into these types. The best thing we can do for our hobby , is not be like them.
Did I mention ? that was a sweet 4 star? lol

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Ya might have mentioned it. Is there any hope for a repair?

I got a Super Sportster 60 that I have to put gear in and make the covering my own and it is good to go. Hopefully it flies as good as a 4*. I've heard it should. Maybe by next weekend?

Del

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Every field has at least one of those guys. We had a guy out Sunday with a ducted fan. Nice looking plane, but loud, really loud. It was large plane, about a 60" delta. He was making low passes and a few of them went right over the flight line. On one he had to look straight up to see the plane. Then he flew way out and came screaming in on a low run broad side to the runway, right at the pits. I'll give him one more chance then we pull his plug.

A few months back, I lost by toy. It was a home built sorta. The wing was off a trainer I trashed and the fuselage was home deisgned. It was a really good flying plane. I was still on the buddy box and I had the plane out a ways and high, staying away from one of the guys flying his pattern plane close in. Suddenly, my plane rolled over and went straight down like a lawn dart, not to be seen for another four months. After my instructor and I waded mud in the farm filed and tried to find a way into the creek bed it crashed in, we gave up and went back to the field. One of the older guys was there showing off his favorite old radio, an very early computer job. He was showing me all the settings he could do and then showed me how he could switch from Chan 26 to 56 with just a flick of a switch. He did this with the transmitter powered up, and my card still hanging on 56. I've always wondered if he was showing off to someone else when my plane took the dive. I'll never know, but you know, he hasn't been back to the field since.

Last, I was walking my 4*-60 out to the line a few days back when one of the guys got screwed up with his helicopter and came along the flight line, about four foot high and inverted. He ended up as a pile of parts in the center of the runway. He missed me by about four feet I'm guessing. While he was picking up parts, I was shaking brown stuff out of my pant legs.

By the way, build another 4*. Like you, I love the way it flys. It also buidls really fast. The biggest problem I have with mine is mis-judging how far out I am on approach. I did all of my training with a 60" wing span so the 4* looks a lot closer than it really is. On my first solo for qualifying, I put it down before I even cleared the fence at the end of the runway, thinking I was a good 100ft closer than I was. That one snapped the fuselage right behind the wing. I was back in the air a couple days later and managed to get certified, but I'm still miss-judging how far out I am. More practice I guess.

Don

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Sorry to hear abut your loss, dude was a real dweeb not admitting his mistake.

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Well, my story had a better ending. I was very new to flying, on my 4th or 5th flight on my Avistar. I lost all radio communication and down it went, destroyed. Walking back to the pits with my armload of balsa, a fella comes up and asks me what channel I was on. I told him only to have him tell me he shot me down. He'd been out of flying for a long time and forgot the rules. Anyway, he had 5 planes with him and he told me I could have my choice. I wasn't interested in any of them so he asked me how much cash I wanted. I told him the plane was $100.00 and he reached in his pocket , handed me $105.00, and said, "you'll need glue." I thought he handled it well.......took his $105.00 and put it into a 4*......which went down sometime later due to causes that can't be attributed to somebody else!

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Hey Robbie, don't invite that guy to the fun-fly! :D

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If you don't have a frequency board, how about everyone gets a t-shirt with their channel number in large letters on the back?

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Well, if your a Really BIG Burly guy, I'd be lyin my ***** off too[&:], on my way to the truck to get out of dodge..Naaah I wouldnt do that really..I'd be po'd that I did something stupid like that and have to buy you at least a kit, and maybe we'd build it over a couple of beers and end up good flying buds...course on the whole other end of that spectrum, there would be the guy who would expect a new plane engine and radio, the fuel he lost, the gasoline he wasted getting there and $1000 for emotional damages and another $1000 for his labor to build the plane....trust me these people do exist I have a good friend like that, he lives out in the country and some neighbors cows got lost, walked through his flower bed , up on his deck, pooped a few places, no damage really just made a mess,...I dont know how he came to this figure, but he wanted $6000 in damages[X(]....I dont know what he ever got, but I never asked again either......Rog

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seems that your club has some issues inforcing frequency control.the sad part about this is there is a new type of flyer that either don't care or do not understand the consequenses of their actions.you may even have recourse thru small claims if you can prove rules violation and that he did turn on his radio after being warned.legal remedies are safer than revenge as you get to go home after court.Good luck and anything is repairable ,given time and money.

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Don`t worry Minn , I don`t think think he can make it. I may not make it , I`m down to one plane , a Twist ARF. Pulled the radio and eletronics out of the highwings a week or so ago . And gave the trainer to a newbie to learn on. And have nothing that I can finish with out a lot of hours and don`t have the heart to build with the weather so nice.

ClarkFlyer , Thanks for sharing your story . Just proves you can make a mistake and do it with class. I would fell better about the whole thing, with just a heart felt sorry. We both brought 2 radois and they were both on the same channels. After the 4 Star went in , I had the Twist on the run up stand and my card on the channel and sure enough , he starts working on his plane thats on that channel . Just not my day. I was packing up , so I did make it home with one plane.

flyinrog I asked him for nothing but the same common courtesy that was shown to him. If he had there would a been a few beers and a good story to tell.

I keep telling myself over and over, {no one got hurt and it was`nt the Corsair. which will sit till I can raise the funds for a 2.4 g.
ARFs are in my future plans for the summer.

Thanks for all the replys, I was just about to give flying but now I`m determined to get the Hanger back together.

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We have a guy like that at our field. When he comes rolling in, several people will pack up and leave. He has been known to flip his radio on and off for the heck of it. He's not mean, he just doesn't think. We are going to take up a collection and give him a spektrum. ;)

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Insane def. don't give up on the hobby, it needs guys like you!!! anyways come way up here and fly with me. I live on a farm and fly by myself so you don't have to worry about channels just missing the cars that occasionly come down my back road/runway

flyboy76

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I was out to the field this morning and there were three of us regulars, and a guy we hadn't seen before. Soon, a couple more cars showed up and it was some more new members. Planes are comming out and my card is still the only one on the board ( the other two regular guys fly heilocoptors on 2/4GHZ) I started making the rounds of the new guys, introducing myself and asking them what channel they were on. 2.4GHZ was the answer. SO, we made a quick modification to the frequency board and a hand written note to hang your card on the Ham pegs if you were flying 2.4. There were ten pegs and eight of them filled up and until later in the morning, I was still the only one with a card in the 72MHZ slots. It isn't hard to see the future of the Frequency boards is it?

We had been talking about setting up a board for the 2.4 guys so we could at least get a count of cards and transmitters that matched. It sure makes you uneasy to see guys with transmitters in hand and no cards indicating the channel. At least now, we can tell if everyone "logged in".

Don

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How di i change the way that the moter spins?

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Insanemoondoggie-- Your name says it all. Wish I could meet you in person. One of the reasons I love this hobby is that we are all ages, all walks of life, and yet we are all boys (and a few girls) playing with toy airplanes. I LOVE it. Our hobby can be cheap, or expensive, it can totally adapt to our budgets. It brings together people like you and me who would never otherwise, for this crazy love of playing with toy airplanes. We have people from all kinds, from former real-life pilots to 5-year-olds llike my son who just somehow love airplanes. There must be a gene for it. I love especially the old-timers who are doing this hobby until they drop, and I hope to do the same. And, just amazing how when old-timers do move on to that great place in the sky, their equiment is still usable 30 years later. Glow engines and RC planes are truly timeless in that sense. Technology hasn't made anything obsolete in THIS hobby, which can't be said for anything else I can think of.

Anyway, don't give up the hobby. From your picture you look like the last person who might like to fly toy airplanes, and I'd like you to be my buddy in a fight, but clearly you're the "bigger man," and a credit to us "boys playing with toy airplanes."

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Thanks mbilar. I grew up about 70 miles north of K.C. in Bethany. Mo. I moved up here 20 some years ago to work for one on the major airlines
Your right about so many different people love this Hobby .I have flying buddies from 13 yrs old to 87 years old. I really enjoy the friendship. And we always have a good time.
We just had a club meeting and I decided I as just going to let it go and not say anything. But I guess several of the other members felt different and brought it to the officers attention. I was asked to explain what happened, after which about 6 or 7 other members confirmed my story.
They said he owe`s me a plane or he will lose his membership if he doesnt own up to his actions. It`s to bad this happened , everyone makes mistakes but it`s how we deal with them that makes a difference. I`m good with just a heart felt sorry.
I got the name InsaneMoondoggie many yrs, ago from my army buddies, stuck with me for over 35yrs. Most my friends just call me Insane LOL.
You know, I`m going to be in the K.C area in about 3 weeks and bringing a couple of planes . Want to hook up and burn some holes in the sky ?
As far as fighting, I truly got my belly full of it 35 yrs ago and feel there is no place for violence in this Hobby . When I show up at the field, people are happy to see me and I them. That would change if I started acting out of character.
I hope you got that boy of yours a foamie . 5 yrs. old huh ? Thats cool . Your lucky , alot of kids don`t care for the hobby.
The 4* is going to be rebuilt and I hope to post some pics later today as I need a little advise on how to repair the fuse.
Thanks a bunch for the kind words. Lets go flying in a few weeks.

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Insane,
You can't give up on the hobby until after I come up there in June!!!! :D:D:D

Ken

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I`ll be there Ken , I`m really looking forward to hanging out with you and Minn and who ever else shows up.
I told my wife I was thinking of giving it up, she called me a wuss and told me get back out to the shop and and get things back together. Told me to get a coule of ARF`s and save the building for the winter. LOL
I hope to have a Skybolt ready for her maiden at the fun fly and who knows , maybe the 4* too.

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This is exactly the kind of stupidity that will drive me to 2.4 Ghz! I fly at a small club so we don't have too much trouble managing the Freq Board. We've already got guys moving to 2.4 simply because its the "new thing". Nevertheless, if I had to constantly worry about some knucklehead shooting me down I'd be making the investment in 2.4 - regardless of price.

-MA

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Which field are you coming to? If we hook up, YOU might be punching holes in the sky, but you will be training me on a buddy box!:D At this point I've been mostly restoring and recovering planes, but very little actual flying time. I'm a full-time single daddy of 5, 7, and 16-year old kids and I can't ever seem to get out to the field to actually fly them. I flew Ucontrol as a teenager, and loved modeling, Then nothing for 30 years. Now just back into RC flying for relaxation and a much needed hobby after my unfortunate divorce. But as an RC pilot I'm a middle-aged novice newbie.
All this week in KC after the floods we had calm winds and perfect temps and I still couldn't make it out to fly. :( I do drag the kids out with me sometimes just to watch, and the 5-year old boy loves it, and my 7-year old girl just humors me. I'm doing an old PT-40 trainer in the Barbie motif (ala Ken's PIF) just to humor her. Let me know when and where you (and also you Ken) will be here in KC and we will definitley seek you out.

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This is a pending change to the freq board at our field so they can accurately know who/how many are flying. They're going to add some clips in a new 2.4g spot on the board. I've been lucky * knocks on wood* that I haven't even had to share my channel as of yet.

Insanemoondoggie - sorry to hear about the ignorant moron that shot you down. Karma can be a beech. :D Sounds like the yellow belly knows he did wrong.

Clear skies and clear channels.

somegeek

P.S. - threads like this make me jones for a spektrum. It's on my wish list...

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Finally got some pic`s , tore the covering off and took a look see. For coming down like it did , it is very repairable , I have been using 30 min epoxy when I glue the doublers on my builds and it seems to be working out really will. Crash tested so to speak. LOL
I`m finishing up a trainer right now for a new guy , then I`ll star on the 4 Star.
Would fiberglass and epoxy be a strong enough repair where the fuse side broke apart ?

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mbilar My plans got changed, sry for the slow reply . I`ll send you a PM when my wife tells me what I`m doing. lol.

I`ve got the fuse repaired and am happy with the way it turned out. Now I`m ready to repair the wing , and have a question ? I cut the cleaned the hinge slot out on the aileron and TE of the wing. Can I glue pin hinges in the same slots ? The T.E ans aileron are so thin I hate to cut new slots.

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"I cut the cleaned the hinge slot out on the aileron and TE of the wing." Is this supposed to say "cut and cleaned"?

If so you may be able to use pinned hinges. Just remember that they are thicker so they will need thicker slots. Use epoxy or hinge glue and protect the pin from epoxy. Are they thick enough to use Robart hinge pins?

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I got an unexpected e-mail form the person that shot me down. He apologized and offered to pay for the plane. What a pleasant surprise.
For me the apology is worth more than the plane but he insisted on paying for the plane. So instead we agreed he would pay for the parts for the repair.
The plane has been repaired for sometime now and flies great. And I had pretty much put this behind me. I just wish we had worked it out sooner by dealing with it the day it happened. But I`m happy with the final outcome. No issues and no worries , just getting back to having fun. Cool [8D]

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Robbie,
Having flown that 4-star at the fun fly I can tell you that you did an outstanding job repairing. It's a great flying plane and I had blast flying it. I'm really glad that you worked it out with the guy who shot you down. It's always nice when things can work out like this.

Ken

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This weekend I was at my field - I am a new flyer who just got his wings this season - I had my pin on the board, another pilot told me he was on the same channel. The system worked just like it needed to, I told him I was charging my TX and the box was not in the impound, he went up as he wanted, taking my pin off the board. As soon as I was fully charged, I took the TX to impound, making very sure that it was turned off and would not be a problem.

Simple communication and common sence ensured that we did not have a problem together - why do some people find it to be so hard.

Sorry for your loss.

BTW - if it makes you feel any better, I burried my plane on my next flight, it would seem proper TX controls cannot prevent pilot error.

manks

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Smart radios don't over-ride dumb thumbs.:D Just a fact of life.[:@]