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Hey guys,

I had already posted a thread about the GP Ultra sport as a second plane. But I am still having a hard time deciding. That is why I set up this poll.

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Go with the something extra

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How long have you been flying your trainer?

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I flew the Tiger Trainer for about a year and am now doing aerobatics on it. My Senorita was completed in April but recently met a tree which is no longer among the world of the living. But the Senorita is back flying again (I got twelve succesful flights on it on Thursday!)

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You forgot to put the Super Sportster in your poll. That would get my vote. ;)

Actually, the Tiger, 4* or Somethin' Extra would also be decent second planes. (Don't know enough about the others to say.)
Dennis-

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Oh sorry, DBCherry. I didn't know of that plane.

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How about the Great Planes Easy sport, which GP themselves say is a good second plane?

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Because I need a plane that I can make dance in te sky as much as I want with little effort. but thanks anyway autopilot

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13yroldpilot,

I have to go with DBCherry the great planes super sportster is a great second plane. I am flying a sportster with a k&b 40 and a 11/5 prop. It will slow down and float in. Do you want an arf or are you going to build? If I had to choose from your poll it would be the tiger.

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I want to build!! The Super Sporster. Okyday I'll check it out.

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I just checked out that Super Sporster. That is pretty darn nice.
Who else likes the super Sporster?

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Hi 13yroldpilot.

I built the Somethin' Extra as my second plane and the Super Sportster as my third. If you want a plane that will do some fun 3D stuff, you might want to go with the Somethin' Extra.(but start out with low rates) If you want a plane for more "pattern type" flying, the Sportster will work great. I like them both for these two reasons. I think the Sportster is a nicer looking plane, but the SE is more fun to "fling around". As kits, I found the SE a little easier to build than the Sportster, mainly due to the need to shape the nose for the Sportster. (not a big deal tho) For power, I installed OS 46FX's in each plane, but this year I've installed Webra 50s to give them a little more "oomph"... ;) I think either of these would make nice second planes...Len

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Okay thanks, LenLee

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Hello, the better plane is not in your list!
I would recommand you without any doubt the GP Super sporter 40 with a 46FX on the nose.

1) very good low wing trainer
2) You have to learn to take off with a tail wheel
3) That plane can do easily the basic IMAC and pattern sequence.
4) I won the 1 st position in my local IMAC competition with the GPSS, in the basic sequence. All other pilots had big birds like Extra, Cap etc...
5) move the CG 1/2 inch behind recommanded on the plan and you can do some 3D stuff.
6) Something Extra is'nt a second step trainer but a 3D plane.
Scoubidou

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I had a Tower Hobbies Kaos as my second plane.....loved it...

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Whats your flying style (pattern, sport, 3D)?? That would help decide...

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I built a SPAD(brick), it was fast, easy, and cheap. When my tower 46 engine died, it flew like a brick. After that I built a combat, then recovered a old scat cat 500. I would rcomend, if you have the time, to build a kit. The four star would work good. I am not sure how much building experice that you have. Think about that first.

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I went with an Ultra Stick as my second. I love it. Very aerobatic (compared to the trainer) and still very easy to fly.

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I would have to say the BTE Venture60. You can't do any better for kit quality or flying quality. It is my second plane (much like the 4* series) and my favorite.

By the way, I didn't know this plane existed until I found this web site.

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G.P. Big Stik with OS 70 II.

I made mine a tail dragger and it is a honey.

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Hi. Thanks, my flying style is that of doing any and all aerobatics that my plane can handle.

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My pic wasn't shown here. It is a World Models Super Sportster 40. This is an excellent second plane and it flies almost like a trainer. Good Luck.

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Go with the poll and get the 4*. I have a 4*60 and it is a great second plane. Super sportster and world models super stunts are also great choices.

Rick

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Rick,

I was looking more at the Somethin' Extra but demorcracy is golden. Thanks the 4*60 looks ike a good one. Anybody else who has a 4*? What are your thoughts?

-Dan

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i angry now where is the sticks option for the poll :P :D
tail draggers fly the best after you learn trainers, and the sticks love there tails in the grass

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Sorry BigSTIK40flier I will be more considerate next time :)

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13yroldpilot: You've listed a lot of planes designed for different flight performance. Hope this info helps you in your decision making process. You are looking at pursuing aerobatics? I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "any and all aerobatics."

If you mean traditional (non-3D), your choice is narrowed. While all the listed planes in your poll are aerobatic in some sense of the word, there are really only two that were specifically designed for traditional aerobatics; the Ultrasport and the Tracer. You might also consider the GP Venus. I have flown all three. I'd say start with the Ultrasport or Venus as they seems a bit more forgiving than the Tracer.

If you mean Fun Fly/3D aerobatic stuff, your choices on the list are really the Uproar or Something Extra. Again, I have flown both. They perform about the same but I think the SE's are more popular because of their looks.

The Tiger and 4* are semi-aerobatic, but they are kinda a cross between a trainer and a aerobatic plane. I've flown both. They will be hotter than your trainer, but won't perform like the other planes listed. These are really the only two planes listed that have some trainer like self recovery attributes, more so in the 4* than the Tiger. It is common to choose a plane like this for a second plane, but you don't have too. If you have good pilot skills with the trainer and learn quickly, you can skip this type of plane in the learning process and jump right to a more aerobatic plane. You might ask an excellent pilot at your field that has seen you fly their opinion of what type of plane you can handle.

Cheers

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Thanks Monkeyboy,

Well I want to try to fly all of the styles of aerobatic. I have asked the pilots at my field they know my style of flying and siad the Sig Somethin' Extra would be good, but I just want to get an "insider's opinion" Thanks for your help,

-Dan

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It's hard to find a plane that will do all styles of aerobatics. Without going into too much detail, the problem is that different aerodynamics is required for those two styles. That is why 3D/fun fly types have low aspect ratios (stubby fat wings) and are short coupled (tail close to wing.) Traditional aerobatic planes have higher AR's, typically a bit of double taper or even straight trailing edge and a long moment. Most planes that claim to do both have made a compromise somewhere and probably don't do either very well. Of course there are exceptions and you can find planes that do both 3D and traditional aerobatics quite well. I have two planes that both excel at 3D and precision. However, none of the planes you listed would excel at both.

That said... The SE is a fine choice and I think you will enjoy that plane. Just keep in mind that it is really geared toward fun fly type flying. That is not to say that it won't fly most traditional aerobatics, it just won't do it anywhere close to what the Ultrasport/Tracer/Venus would. The flip side is the Ultrasport/Tracer/Venus won't do the fun fly stuff very well.

Maybe you need two second planes? :D

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Iwent with the Super sportster ARF and a TT .46Pro pulling it. Flies great.

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MonkeyBoy,

Thanks for your help and the short lesson. Two second planes sounds like a wonderfull idea. :D It is sounds like to me that it would be better to learn fun fly aerobatics before 3D? Am I right? Have you built the SE?

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What do you all think about the H9 Aresti 40? Looks sharp. Is it quality? Is good as a 2nd?

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i've never seen the H9 Aresti 40. What is H9's website URL

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The aresti is a great flying plane but unless you are a really good pilot it is a little hot for a 2nd plane. But I think that if you have been flying your trainer for a long time and can fly it with the controls maxed out give it a try. I don't think you have to get a traditional " second plane" if you had a good instructor for the first one.

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13yroldpilot, From what I have been reading it sounds like a GP Dazzler or a TH Uproar (both .40) would be an ideal choice for you. I just watched the maiden flight on a Dazzler yesterday my friend bought and built the kit. He says it is a very good first kit to build and a very stable but very aerobatic flyer! Now I have not seen or know someone with an Uproar. I in the near future (when I have money) am going to get an uproar...the uproar is pritty much the Tower Hobbies copy of the dazzler telling from the looks and the style and the dimensions of the plane...Just my two cents but if those aren't in your mind at all then I would say go with the Tiger2! I have one flies great everyone says they fly great and they are very aerobatic my friends brother does almost everything with his tiger...Hovering, rolling circles, knife edge, snap rolls ect ect! And he has only been flying for one year this is his second!!

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Thanks Chris, I will keep your two cents inmind. What website can find the Dazzler?

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Question. If I were to get the SE could I put flaps on it?

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here is a link to the dazzler. It's a great plane.

GP Dazzler

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13yroldpilot,

Here's the link to the Hangar 9, Aresti 40.

http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/prod...p?prod=HAN2175

I'm leaning towards taking bigger steps between planes while managing the transition via control throw limits and servo rates. I think it also helps me that I have past experience as a private pilot and have a good feel for the dynamics of flight (and landings!). Also, I like model planes that look like real planes (versus stick-style planes). The Super Sportster and SE fall into that category, too - just looking at all possible options.

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I like the looks of the Aresti .40 I am currently working on my student certificate (had my first flying time under a CFI two Saturdays ago.) I have had about 5-6 hours fullsize flying experiance prior.