Hello: My name is Warren, and I am addicted to the Kaos...
03-27-2006 | 11:02 PM
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RE: Hello: My name is Warren, and I am addicted to the Kaos...
vasek, yes! I built one from these very plans.
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaver...an/cadkaos.zip
The trailing edge is not in the right place, however. The rib notches and spars line up, you just have to adjust the lines for the TE which is no big deal.
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaver...an/cadkaos.zip
The trailing edge is not in the right place, however. The rib notches and spars line up, you just have to adjust the lines for the TE which is no big deal.
03-28-2006 | 04:48 PM
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RE: Hello: My name is Warren, and I am addicted to the Kaos...
The original Kaos was first published in February 1970. This was a derivation of the Sun Fli series of airplanes. If you look at the Kaos and Sun Fli airplanes, you can see the "family" resemblance.
The Super Kaos plan was published in 1973, and was Joe Bridi's response to the addition of retractable landing gear in Pattern aircraft. The lines are also a bit different from the Kaos because he was also designing the model to better fly the pattern as it had changed over the past few years.
The Sun Fli airplanes, the Kaos, and the Super Kaos were all intended to be powered with .61-size (10 ccm) engines. I had a Kaos with the first O.S. Max .60 FSR in the area. I later had a Super Kaos with the Webra Speed .61 engine in it. Like today, people looked for power.
The .40-sized version of the Super Kaos came out as the Super Kaos, Jr. in plan form, and was called the Super Kaos .40 in the kit form.
The current version, the Tower Hobbies Kaos .40, is basically the Super Kaos .40 design.
The Ultra Sport series of airplanes are basically the Kaos design with a turtledeck-type fuselage. The wing airfoil and moments are very similar, which account for them having such nice handling, a feature the Kaos-series was well known for.
The Super Kaos plan was published in 1973, and was Joe Bridi's response to the addition of retractable landing gear in Pattern aircraft. The lines are also a bit different from the Kaos because he was also designing the model to better fly the pattern as it had changed over the past few years.
The Sun Fli airplanes, the Kaos, and the Super Kaos were all intended to be powered with .61-size (10 ccm) engines. I had a Kaos with the first O.S. Max .60 FSR in the area. I later had a Super Kaos with the Webra Speed .61 engine in it. Like today, people looked for power.
The .40-sized version of the Super Kaos came out as the Super Kaos, Jr. in plan form, and was called the Super Kaos .40 in the kit form.
The current version, the Tower Hobbies Kaos .40, is basically the Super Kaos .40 design.
The Ultra Sport series of airplanes are basically the Kaos design with a turtledeck-type fuselage. The wing airfoil and moments are very similar, which account for them having such nice handling, a feature the Kaos-series was well known for.
03-29-2006 | 02:46 AM
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RE: Hello: My name is Warren, and I am addicted to the Kaos...
ORIGINAL: Bax
The original Kaos was first published in February 1970. This was a derivation of the Sun Fli series of airplanes. If you look at the Kaos and Sun Fli airplanes, you can see the "family" resemblance.
The Super Kaos plan was published in 1973, and was Joe Bridi's response to the addition of retractable landing gear in Pattern aircraft. The lines are also a bit different from the Kaos because he was also designing the model to better fly the pattern as it had changed over the past few years.
The Sun Fli airplanes, the Kaos, and the Super Kaos were all intended to be powered with .61-size (10 ccm) engines. I had a Kaos with the first O.S. Max .60 FSR in the area. I later had a Super Kaos with the Webra Speed .61 engine in it. Like today, people looked for power.
The .40-sized version of the Super Kaos came out as the Super Kaos, Jr. in plan form, and was called the Super Kaos .40 in the kit form.
The current version, the Tower Hobbies Kaos .40, is basically the Super Kaos .40 design.
The Ultra Sport series of airplanes are basically the Kaos design with a turtledeck-type fuselage. The wing airfoil and moments are very similar, which account for them having such nice handling, a feature the Kaos-series was well known for.
The original Kaos was first published in February 1970. This was a derivation of the Sun Fli series of airplanes. If you look at the Kaos and Sun Fli airplanes, you can see the "family" resemblance.
The Super Kaos plan was published in 1973, and was Joe Bridi's response to the addition of retractable landing gear in Pattern aircraft. The lines are also a bit different from the Kaos because he was also designing the model to better fly the pattern as it had changed over the past few years.
The Sun Fli airplanes, the Kaos, and the Super Kaos were all intended to be powered with .61-size (10 ccm) engines. I had a Kaos with the first O.S. Max .60 FSR in the area. I later had a Super Kaos with the Webra Speed .61 engine in it. Like today, people looked for power.
The .40-sized version of the Super Kaos came out as the Super Kaos, Jr. in plan form, and was called the Super Kaos .40 in the kit form.
The current version, the Tower Hobbies Kaos .40, is basically the Super Kaos .40 design.
The Ultra Sport series of airplanes are basically the Kaos design with a turtledeck-type fuselage. The wing airfoil and moments are very similar, which account for them having such nice handling, a feature the Kaos-series was well known for.
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The Tower Kaos 40 is not accurate to the Super Kaos .40 design. It is larger by a good margin and is actually closer to the original Super Kaos .60 than it is to the .40. However, I feel it is a good flying model and that it continues the "spirit" of the Kaos series. I own two of them, so I'm not displeased. The original Super Kaos .40 utilized a 52" wingspan, instead of the larger wingspan that is used by the current ARF version.
Picky, picky, picky - I know...
03-29-2006 | 06:23 AM
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RE: Hello: My name is Warren, and I am addicted to the Kaos...
ORIGINAL: Ed Cregger
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The Tower Kaos 40 is not accurate to the Super Kaos .40 design. It is larger by a good margin and is actually closer to the original Super Kaos .60 than it is to the .40. However, I feel it is a good flying model and that it continues the "spirit" of the Kaos series. I own two of them, so I'm not displeased. The original Super Kaos .40 utilized a 52" wingspan, instead of the larger wingspan that is used by the current ARF version.
Picky, picky, picky - I know...
ORIGINAL: Bax
The original Kaos was first published in February 1970. This was a derivation of the Sun Fli series of airplanes. If you look at the Kaos and Sun Fli airplanes, you can see the "family" resemblance.
The Super Kaos plan was published in 1973, and was Joe Bridi's response to the addition of retractable landing gear in Pattern aircraft. The lines are also a bit different from the Kaos because he was also designing the model to better fly the pattern as it had changed over the past few years.
The Sun Fli airplanes, the Kaos, and the Super Kaos were all intended to be powered with .61-size (10 ccm) engines. I had a Kaos with the first O.S. Max .60 FSR in the area. I later had a Super Kaos with the Webra Speed .61 engine in it. Like today, people looked for power.
The .40-sized version of the Super Kaos came out as the Super Kaos, Jr. in plan form, and was called the Super Kaos .40 in the kit form.
The current version, the Tower Hobbies Kaos .40, is basically the Super Kaos .40 design.
The Ultra Sport series of airplanes are basically the Kaos design with a turtledeck-type fuselage. The wing airfoil and moments are very similar, which account for them having such nice handling, a feature the Kaos-series was well known for.
The original Kaos was first published in February 1970. This was a derivation of the Sun Fli series of airplanes. If you look at the Kaos and Sun Fli airplanes, you can see the "family" resemblance.
The Super Kaos plan was published in 1973, and was Joe Bridi's response to the addition of retractable landing gear in Pattern aircraft. The lines are also a bit different from the Kaos because he was also designing the model to better fly the pattern as it had changed over the past few years.
The Sun Fli airplanes, the Kaos, and the Super Kaos were all intended to be powered with .61-size (10 ccm) engines. I had a Kaos with the first O.S. Max .60 FSR in the area. I later had a Super Kaos with the Webra Speed .61 engine in it. Like today, people looked for power.
The .40-sized version of the Super Kaos came out as the Super Kaos, Jr. in plan form, and was called the Super Kaos .40 in the kit form.
The current version, the Tower Hobbies Kaos .40, is basically the Super Kaos .40 design.
The Ultra Sport series of airplanes are basically the Kaos design with a turtledeck-type fuselage. The wing airfoil and moments are very similar, which account for them having such nice handling, a feature the Kaos-series was well known for.
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The Tower Kaos 40 is not accurate to the Super Kaos .40 design. It is larger by a good margin and is actually closer to the original Super Kaos .60 than it is to the .40. However, I feel it is a good flying model and that it continues the "spirit" of the Kaos series. I own two of them, so I'm not displeased. The original Super Kaos .40 utilized a 52" wingspan, instead of the larger wingspan that is used by the current ARF version.
Picky, picky, picky - I know...
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03-29-2006 | 06:32 AM
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RE: Hello: My name is Warren, and I am addicted to the Kaos...
I have the Tower Kaos 40 sitting in a box in the basement. Did you build the right thrust into the model? Other Bridi plans or kits had some down thrust, but not right thrust. The original plans for the Super Kaos Jr. had no right or down thrust at all? What difference would removing it make on the Tower Koas 40?
Anyone's views?
Anyone's views?
03-29-2006 | 07:22 AM
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I have the Tower Kaos 40 sitting in a box in the basement. Did you build the right thrust into the model? Other Bridi plans or kits had some down thrust, but not right thrust. The original plans for the Super Kaos Jr. had no right or down thrust at all? What difference would removing it make on the Tower Koas 40?
Anyone's views?
I have the Tower Kaos 40 sitting in a box in the basement. Did you build the right thrust into the model? Other Bridi plans or kits had some down thrust, but not right thrust. The original plans for the Super Kaos Jr. had no right or down thrust at all? What difference would removing it make on the Tower Koas 40?
Anyone's views?
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It depends upon your philosophy.
The right and downthrust were attempts at curbing the model's tendency to roll to the left when accelerating or climbing suddenly (right thrust). The downthrust was there to help prevent the necessity of carrying some down elevator trim in level flight (the model is biased to fly with the canopy pointing skyward).
To me, these are holdovers from the reed days of pattern flying. I prefer for everything to be set at zero. YMMV.
03-29-2006 | 09:19 AM
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RE: Hello: My name is Warren, and I am addicted to the Kaos...
With evey thing set at zero you will be using down trim in level flight, and holding lots of down stick when upside down. With the right down thrust you will have zero down trim, possibly some up trim, and little or no down stick when inverted. But I guess like you say, its preferance.
Good pattern flyers are always playing with thrust and trim. Not a holdover at all.
Good pattern flyers are always playing with thrust and trim. Not a holdover at all.
03-29-2006 | 11:05 AM
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RE: Hello: My name is Warren, and I am addicted to the Kaos...
On mine, I set ir with the recommended thrust. Well, I tried, something slipped when epoxying in the fire wall, but I corrected it with the motor mount. With my Kaos, I built it stock as I have found most kits to be right when it comes to thrust, but If I were to do an Extra, I would be setting it at 0 to TR well and playing with the CG and weights to get it to fly right.
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03-29-2006 | 04:40 PM
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RE: Hello: My name is Warren, and I am addicted to the Kaos...
ORIGINAL: 50%plane
What can I say, I have three of these kit built .40s, so don't rain on my parade.
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ORIGINAL: Ed Cregger
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The Tower Kaos 40 is not accurate to the Super Kaos .40 design. It is larger by a good margin and is actually closer to the original Super Kaos .60 than it is to the .40. However, I feel it is a good flying model and that it continues the "spirit" of the Kaos series. I own two of them, so I'm not displeased. The original Super Kaos .40 utilized a 52" wingspan, instead of the larger wingspan that is used by the current ARF version.
Picky, picky, picky - I know...
ORIGINAL: Bax
The original Kaos was first published in February 1970. This was a derivation of the Sun Fli series of airplanes. If you look at the Kaos and Sun Fli airplanes, you can see the "family" resemblance.
The Super Kaos plan was published in 1973, and was Joe Bridi's response to the addition of retractable landing gear in Pattern aircraft. The lines are also a bit different from the Kaos because he was also designing the model to better fly the pattern as it had changed over the past few years.
The Sun Fli airplanes, the Kaos, and the Super Kaos were all intended to be powered with .61-size (10 ccm) engines. I had a Kaos with the first O.S. Max .60 FSR in the area. I later had a Super Kaos with the Webra Speed .61 engine in it. Like today, people looked for power.
The .40-sized version of the Super Kaos came out as the Super Kaos, Jr. in plan form, and was called the Super Kaos .40 in the kit form.
The current version, the Tower Hobbies Kaos .40, is basically the Super Kaos .40 design.
The Ultra Sport series of airplanes are basically the Kaos design with a turtledeck-type fuselage. The wing airfoil and moments are very similar, which account for them having such nice handling, a feature the Kaos-series was well known for.
The original Kaos was first published in February 1970. This was a derivation of the Sun Fli series of airplanes. If you look at the Kaos and Sun Fli airplanes, you can see the "family" resemblance.
The Super Kaos plan was published in 1973, and was Joe Bridi's response to the addition of retractable landing gear in Pattern aircraft. The lines are also a bit different from the Kaos because he was also designing the model to better fly the pattern as it had changed over the past few years.
The Sun Fli airplanes, the Kaos, and the Super Kaos were all intended to be powered with .61-size (10 ccm) engines. I had a Kaos with the first O.S. Max .60 FSR in the area. I later had a Super Kaos with the Webra Speed .61 engine in it. Like today, people looked for power.
The .40-sized version of the Super Kaos came out as the Super Kaos, Jr. in plan form, and was called the Super Kaos .40 in the kit form.
The current version, the Tower Hobbies Kaos .40, is basically the Super Kaos .40 design.
The Ultra Sport series of airplanes are basically the Kaos design with a turtledeck-type fuselage. The wing airfoil and moments are very similar, which account for them having such nice handling, a feature the Kaos-series was well known for.
----------------------
The Tower Kaos 40 is not accurate to the Super Kaos .40 design. It is larger by a good margin and is actually closer to the original Super Kaos .60 than it is to the .40. However, I feel it is a good flying model and that it continues the "spirit" of the Kaos series. I own two of them, so I'm not displeased. The original Super Kaos .40 utilized a 52" wingspan, instead of the larger wingspan that is used by the current ARF version.
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Never happen. I've never met a Kaos I didn't like, regardless of size.
03-30-2006 | 06:33 AM
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RE: Hello: My name is Warren, and I am addicted to the Kaos...
ORIGINAL: igotfish2
i think you guys are addicted to one of the best planes one can be addicted to...
i think you guys are addicted to one of the best planes one can be addicted to...
04-08-2006 | 05:42 PM
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RE: Hello: My name is Warren, and I am addicted to the Kaos...
One day an aquaintance of mine passed over a new, unrun K&B `Veco' 61 `Lee Special' with pump and said, `Build something for it." It found a home in a Super Kaos.
Yes, it can get addictive. It got joined by Blue Angel, Superstar, Curare, Warlord....all the way back to a Berkley Astrohog. A sad addiction indeed.
Evan.
Yes, it can get addictive. It got joined by Blue Angel, Superstar, Curare, Warlord....all the way back to a Berkley Astrohog. A sad addiction indeed.
Evan.
