I am getting some cores cut in the next few weeks and I am thinking of getting a set of cores cut for one of the above planes. I have plans for both, so which one should I get cores for? I am leaning towards the Tipo, but I think both are great models. Power will be a ST90 side exhaust engine if that influences anyone's thoughts.

Mark

I’ve read that the Tiporare was/is the most popular design of the ballistic pattern era. It takes tri gear retracts very well too.

Wasn't there a scaled-up Tipo (the Hippo?) that would be a good choice for your .90?

David

Both aircraft are fine flying aircraft. I personally have not flown a Tipo, but, I have scratched and successfully flown the Deception. Jim Kimbro designed and built a nice flying plane. At the time I used a Webra Speed Rear Exhaust 61 with a OPS tuned pipe, with mixture control. The plane was very solid in all the manuvers. and yes it landed "hot" as it was a "slick" aircraft. I still have a set of plans,canopy(UFO style) and the Webra "pickled" for a future Deception. Hummmm !
Either way you will do well.

Mark,

I competed in the 80's with two Deceptions and a Tipo, in that order. Both designs are excellent. My Tipo was somewhat lighter than the Deceptions since I Monokoted the wings and stab as compared to the balsa/foam Deceptions which were glassed and painted. Also, as time went on, I moved to progressively more powerful engines - the Tipo had a Rossi and then a YS60 while the Deceptions had a Super Tiger X-60 and then Webra Speeds. The difference in weight and power makes a detailed comparison impossible, but I loved them all. I am currently building a Deception from plans and I will be taking pains to build it lighter (and straighter) than my previous efforts. I am also contemplating a Tipo for my next plane. Where did you get the plans?

Jeff
Skylane N9214G
SPA 243

The ST90 is the same size and weight as any of the current 60's (20.7 oz without muffler), so it's not an issue for me. With a Jett muffler it turns similar RPM as many of the screaming 60's and can also compete with the early long stroke 60's on the bigger props (on a standard muffler, not the Jett). I think the Hanno Special was a bit stronger, but it also ran a full pipe compared to the 90 on a muffler. I am going to be running in a NIB 90 this spring and I am going to try an experiment with a mousse can pipe on the stand to see how it does with that instead of a pipe or muffler. It may become my standard exhaust for the 90 if it works, it should give excellent performance and weigh almost nothing. I had a ST90 on a CG Ultimate bipe years ago and it ran very strong until I dumb thumbed it into the dirt one day. These engines are a well-kept secret, being very reasonably priced and running strong. If you are not stuck with a displacement limit and can live with the side exhaust configuration, they are a great deal.

Skylane, I bought the Deception plans from MAN and someone sent me a scan of the Tipo plans (I can't recall who, it was a couple of years ago).


Mark

I had 5 Tipos when it was in its prime. It was an excellent airplane Never had a Deception, but it comes down to personal preference ay this point.
There was also a Hippo Tipo. I think it was around 1981 time frame. I think Don Weitz flew one that year. It was also a Dick Hansen creation.

Having had a Tipo 750, and being very succsessful with it, I vote Tipo. Never flew a Deception, but it is highly regarded. Photo of my Tipo below - yes, it has the old Taurus paint scheme, it is very visible in all air conditions.

I'm with you. I prefer the Tiporare (standard size).

I built/flew/trimmed and eventually abandoned a Deception. In a dog fighting world of Japanese Zeros, ME-109 and Spitfires, the Deception was the equivalent of the P-47 Jug. Great for ground attacks and other strafing duties, but too heavy and awkward for intimate dog fights with lighter, tighter turning airplanes. Just my opinion.


Ed Cregger

Opinions were what I was asking for, Ed. You have nothing to worry about here.

I think you guys have sold me. I was leaning towards the Tipo anyway, and all the positive comments are cementing it. I have to draw the wing planform and airfoil section for whatever I get cut, if I get time I may do both and get both cut just so I never run out of building projects in the middle of a long winter stretch. Yeah, like that will happen...

Thanks for the input guys,
Mark