Classic Pattern Event in Chicago...2010?

I would like to have a Classic Pattern Contest in Chicago in May or June of 2010. It would be a one day event (Saturday) and feature an extensive Friday practice/trimming session with the opportunity to fly any one of my personal models.

The challenges are the Chicago weather, conflicts with other events and which rule congress to use. Personally, the SPA rules allow allow for airplanes that "look" like classics with MAJOR deviations to fuselage length, wing stab location and prohibit the actual "replication" of the original model including engine selection and landing gear configuration.

I will allow "ANY" classic design (even the 25% deviations allowed in SPA), ANY power plant and ANY landing gear...pilot skill will be measured using AMA rules.

Additionally, I would like to "Demo" my vision of a new Classic Class I am calling "Classic TOC Class", which uses ANY model from the 1978 or 1980 TOC. The idea is to use the designs and ENGINES of the day...no, a DA 50 cannot be used!! I assume I will have a an Akromaster and a Dalotel (Bridi).

Please let me know interest and scheduling preferences.

Rusty Dose
Team Futaba

Rusty,

Count me in! I have been looking for a valid reason to return to the hobby. I currently have an EU1-a and a XLT in construction stages and the new H9 P7 is calling my name.

Early June or late Aug would work.


Chris

Dusty;

No need to embellish your comments in order to make your point. Yes SPA has a so-called Duck Rule that allows some tweaking, and some pilots "tweak" more than others...but most of the modificationa are small such as lengthening the fuselange by 1-2 inches to counterbalance the extra weight of the .91 FS, (which in itself was allowed because of noise restrictiions at one of the primary contest sites several years back).

If you don't agree with that practice that's fine, but I don't understand the reason for the "pot shots" from 8178 and now from you since they serve no constructive purpose... you won't change anything, just "stir the pot". Neither of you has come to an SPA event. If you had you'd know there is a lot more to SPA than the "actual replication" of the original design. The precise replication of the planform is not the primary purpose of SPA, it's competition with vintage airplanes that are simple and inexpensive, (the real reason retracts and pipes are not allowed). It is a good organization with good people.

Recently we are seeing more of a return to the .60 2-stroke, (at several contest sites without strict noise regs), and electrics are becoming much more common.

Promotion of any "classic pattern" event is a great idea. Good luck with it.

Duane

Classic Pattern in Chicago!

The following are my opinions. I define "Classic Pattern" as replicas of the original models and not as a region of the country choses to define them for the purposes of meeting the desires of a demographic. Typically, any region specific rules limit the acceptance, increase cost to participate, limit using "off the shelf" kits or a modeler's inventory and confuse the category...and is of no interest to me.

SPA is what it is. The rules allow for significant deviations with no standards to conform to except as they chose to deviate. A highly modified Compensator with a different stab location (lower), longer tail moment, different stab and wing airfoil, conventional gear and powered by a .91 4-cycle probably flies great (it should) but it is not a Compensator, replica of a Compensator and therefore does not meet my simple definition of a "Classic Pattern" airplane. If you take a Piper Cub, lower the wing/stab, change the airfoil, allow a larger engine of different design, optimize the tail moment...paint it yellow...it looks more like an Extra and would never be considered a "Classic Cub".

Modified designs are eligible: The very fine flying World Models Intruder (it is an excellent flying model), SPA eligible, is significantly different in many dimensions including nose length, tail moment and stab location from the original. The original model was powered by a .61 and had retracts. The original designs fly better with retracts.

The cost discussion: An old school .61 (Webra, Super Tigre, O.S.) or a brand new .61 (O.S. 61 FX) AND retracts is less expensive than an O.S. 91 and as quiet. A 4- stroke is about (2X) the price of a .61.

Prohibits YS engines: I cannot run my YS .91. Is it because it has a fuel pump? I understand that I am allowed to run the OS .91 with a pump. Is it because as the SPA defines "simple and inexpensive" it has decided that the YS is not "simple", properly set-up? I am thrilled that the SPA has lots of big contests and participation.

The "Chicagoland Classic Pattern Event" will celebrate/allow the use of "replicas' of the original models AND the use of the SPA eligible models.

Rusty Dose
Team Futaba

At what field are you thinking about having this event? I'd love to come and watch and learn.

Gene

I will try to make it regardless of the date and hope to have a replica of the model I flew in the Chicago area in the mid 60,s. Would also bring a Falcon 56.

John Wisniewski
Scottsdale, Az.

I'm in. We should talk about dates. So many things to work around. I'm sure I can get some of the NC IMAC crowd to come too, so it would be good to schedule around the IMAC events in the district if possible. Maybe a tall order I know.

Rusty,
My winter project is to re-store the Saturn I flew in the late 70's. OPS rear exhaust .60 with tuned pipe and rom-air retracts. Hope I will have it ready and be able to come to your "Classic Pattern" event this summer. Hopefully my son, Nick, will also be able to come. He'll have to fly my Saturn also. Hope that's legal.
Ralph White
Neoga, IL

Chicago Classic Pattern...Fantastic...there is interest!

I am asking permission for (1) Saturday at tomorrow nights Fox Valley Aero Club (St. Charles) at our famtastic, one of the finest flying sites in the USA field.

Ralph, do you have a set of Trion drawings laying around...I have a brand new, perfect condition kit that Dave Guerin is scheduled to build for me this winter.

Mike, I appreciate the assistance in picking the date. Imagine (6) of your new airplanes that are ready to fly in a invitational event in Muncie in late Summer?

Rusty Dose
Team Futaba

Rusty,
I do not have the plans for the Trion. I know a couple of people that had one of the kits. I'll try to see if they still have the plans.
Ralph White

I want to come, I have a crash pad in St. Louis and have been waiting for a good excuse to have a midwestern model. I'll probably do a Kaos ARF with a 46 and fly in a lower class as I am just about able to string three maneuvers together.
Ralph, is that a Johnnie Casburn stunter, or an original. I can't quite put my finger on it!
Chris...

Chris,
That is a model I build from magazine plans in the late 50's. I think it was Flying Models. It was called the Crusader. It was considered a stunt trainer. It was the best flying control line model I ever built. I also had a Nobler and a Smoothie. Both on them lasted about 1 flight. There was also a stunt model called the Crusader about the same time that someone flew in the Nats. It was a twin boom plane. Can't remember who flew it. I might have a picture of it somewhere. Fox .35s were the engine at that time.
The pictures were taken so I could prove to AMA that I had the AMA # 5646 so that I could have it again when I started flying again after a 25 year layoff. Most people with 4 digit numbers have them because they are CDs. 5646 is the number I received when I first joined AMA in about 1956.
Ralph White

Rusty, Keep me posted. This is exciting!
All, havig flown at the St Charles field a few times, I can say first hand that it is a fantastic field!! In fact, it was a lot of the inspiration for our new Eli Field in Monticello IL.

If my club wasn't losing its field (don't panic we are getting a new one) I would suggest our field, Suburban Aero club of Chicago.

Classic pattern in Chicago...?

Questions and Answers-

Question: Rusty, I want to attend the event and recognize that O'Hare International Airport and Midway Airport provide easy in/out transportation. Can I borrow a plane?

Answer: Yes, you can borrow a plane. A minimally confident pilot may borrow the "Classic Pattern-Trader's" World Models Intruder. More experienced pilots may borrow virtually any of my personal airforce...assuming you treat them like your own. If you fly Futaba, bring your transmitter and I can down-load the various models.

Question: Rusty, I would appreciate assistance with the "competition"...how it works, a caller, helper and local assistant. Is this available?

Answer: Yes, that's the fun part. You will find that "Classic Pattern Pilots" are an extrememly friendly, emotionally balanced, fun to be around group and that you will be welcomed and support provided as you request.

Question: I want to attend and would prefer to "camp" at the field or better yet, be a "Guest" of a local modeler. Is this possible?

Answer: Yes, this is also available. The Dose Family RV will be available and parked at the flying field and sleeps (4) - (?).

Question: I would like to have assistance trimming and set-up of my model as well as coaching...is this available?

Answer: Yes, I LOVE to fly other peoples airplanes! Seriously, Friday will be available for flying and information.

Question: Why wouldn't I want to come to this?

Answer: I can't think of an answer.

Please take a tour of our very special facility: http://www.foxvalleyaero.com/

Rusty Dose
Team Futaba

Sounds interesting.... definetly will try and make the event

Hey Ralph! I remember that Saturn! I had one also, in 1977. Great model. I loved it because it seemed to be designed for grass fields. Larger size wheels and lots of room for the nose gear. I'm the one who sold Rusty his Trion. Sorry the plans weren't there, Rusty! If I could find a Saturn I might have to build it.

Wish I could make the Chicago deal, but it's probably too far for me. But wish you the best with it!

Hi Tony,
Sure am glad to see your very active. I've just started flying again. I stopped flying around 1982 or so. Been flying for 2 summers now. Starting to get real comfortable with the flying again. Been flying an Aeromaster I rebuilt and a Aero-works Yak-54 I rebuilt after my son, Nick, crashed it. He's only been flying two summers now. He got interested when I starting re-building the Aeromaster. He's 37 years old now. You saw him at the contest when he was about 5 years old. He never was very interested in models until now.
Sounds like Rusty is going to have a great "classic pattern" contest this next summer. I just got the Saturn out of the bags to re-store it so I can fly in his contest. I hope the OPS will run as well as the old Supertigre Bluehead I have in another Aeromaster. It started on the first flip after setting for 25 years in the garage. Unbelievable. Didn't do anything except clean the outside, oiled inside and cleaned carb. Best running engine I have as far as reliability is concerned.
Hopefully we'll run into each other at some RC event,
Ralph White, Neoga, IL

Your statement is stretched significantly more than my Daddy Rabbit. By about 22%.
Good luck with your contest.
Michael Robinson, SPA 70

I'm a local so I'd be in like "Flint". Last competition was at the 80 Nats in Ohio. Hopefully I'll have an old, old, Tiger Tail to fly (I doubt my TT3 will be ready) but for sure I'll have a scratch built Kaos 60. That Ralph White Saturn, I know I've seent it fly..maybe at Elk Grove Village, Kickapoo Woods (RC3), or somewhere in the Midwest circa 1979 or so.
Hook57
AKA Mark
AMA 63845

Ralph,
That is the nicest Aeromaster I have ever seen, great job. If you need a Blue Head for it I have plenty.

Bill Cunningham

Thanks Bill,
I am very pleased with my Aeromaster. It has a OS .91 FS in it. Probably to much power but it sure does fly nice (and fast). I have a Super Tigre 60 Bluehead in my other Aeromaster which is one I found hanging in a local hobby shop (built around 1982). It flies great also but a little slower. The Bluehead is perfect for it and runs better than any of my other engines.
I'll probaby bring both the Saturn and the red, white and blue Aeromaster to the Chicago "Classic Pattern Contest" next summer.
Thanks again,
Ralph White
Neoga, IL

Rusty,

Feel free to place information about your event on the www.classic-patternrc.com forum also.

Scott Anderson

Rusty,
I just stumbled across this thread.
I'm going to try my darndest to be there!
Also wanted to add I've flown at the Fox Valley field a couple times.
It's just about the nicest site I've ever been to!
It's really great!
JLK

Classic Pattern Event in Chicago...2010!

I presented the idea of the club (FVRC) hosting a one day classic pattern event at last Thursdays club meeting and received a very warm response from members as well as 2010 officers. Club members are aware of the current pattern models, seeing mine fly and have asked questions about what models would be eligible.

Models that one can fly with "precision" AND are considered to be "Classic Pattern". My unofficial mission is to promote "Flying with Precision", not just pattern flying or classic pattern or IMAC. If one learns to fly with precision, all models become easier to fly in a greater variety of weather conditions.

Rusty's List of fine models which are very inexpensive:

Tower Kaos 40 ARF...very inexpensive, sound design, capable...$109.95. Add an OS 55 AX ($159.95) and you can be just like Jason Shulman at the rececent event in the Southeast. Use the servos in your inventory, take the time to assemble accurately, actually trim the model and you have a winner for less than $300.

World Models Intruder 90...very inexpensive, sound highly modified design, capable...$199.95. Add an OS 61 FX (APC 12 x 9), servos from your inventory or add digitals to improve performance via better resolution. Take the time to assemble, actually trim it and it is an exceptionally good value...for less than $400.

The photos show the above. Yes, hand built models may fly better and may look better...for the average modeler, with average skills and average attention spans...they are excellent values.

Rusty Dose
Team Futaba